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Re: C42: 8...Qe8 in the Petroff
Reply #5 - 11/17/11 at 22:26:23
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A matter of judgement probably, but 11.c4 looks less commital than 11.b3.
At first I thought that 9.Bd3 is testing Black more than 9.0-0-0, but then: what is the attacking plan for White if he castles short? Probably none, just trying to make something out of his slight development advantage in a quasi-symmetrical position.
  
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Re: C42: 8...Qe8 in the Petroff
Reply #4 - 11/17/11 at 03:43:20
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re 10....Be6 11.h4??

True, Panfr.  Embarrassed

I was just tossing moves about at that point and saw there was something wrong with h4 so stopped analysing. I forgot to delete it in my rush to put something up.

There are probably plenty of other false starts in my notes. (There usually are. I spend a lot of time editing out my gaffes whenever I annotate games.)

I know c4 is thematic for white in the Petroff, but I'm not so sure it's good in this particular case, especially if White wants to castle Q-side. But of course, this will require more tests.
  
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Re: C42: 8...Qe8 in the Petroff
Reply #3 - 11/16/11 at 21:34:04
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10...Be6 11.h4 is probably not optimal...  Grin
Rather 11.c4 is more to the point. IMHO 10...Nc6 is the most flexible move order.
The whole black idea is very interesting. White can play 8.Bd3 first of course, but this is somewhat limiting his options.
  
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Re: C42: 8...Qe8 in the Petroff
Reply #2 - 11/15/11 at 17:58:34
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In reply to my own addendum, Black probably has better than 11...Qg4?!. If she simply plays 11...Qa5, as in the game, White will have a difficult time castling Q-side, making the h4 push suspect.

Here's the game with some commentary for the latter part:

  
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Re: C42: 8...Qe8 in the Petroff
Reply #1 - 11/15/11 at 15:52:59
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I'm guessing (without following the game) that after 9.0-0-0, Black will play 9...Qa4!? 10.Kb1 Nc6.

So white should be a bit more cagey about her development. Perhaps 9.Bd3, deferring the decision on where to put the K until after Black has moved her Knight. It's interesting that although the position after 8.Qd2 has occurred hundreds of times, even at the very highest levels, nobody has come up with this clever way to solve Black's problems before.

As an addendum, perhaps 9.h4 Qa4 10.Bd3 Nd7 11.b3 Qg4 12.0-0-0 would be an interesting way to play for the initiative.
  
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C42: 8...Qe8 in the Petroff
11/15/11 at 14:37:46
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I'm watching the WWCC now, and Humpy Koneru has just played the following new idea:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.Nc3 Nxc3 6.dxc3 Be7 7.Be3 0-0 8.Qd2 Qe8

What to make of this move? Instinctively I think White should have a route to an edge, but I haven't found a way yet. There's the option of 9.Bd3 and 10.0-0 instead of 9.0-0-0, but I doubt that's enough for an edge. Perhaps more tests are needed. Wink
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