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Reply #35 - 12/20/11 at 16:21:20
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I will second that - I have been browsing the SO Acc. Dragon book lately and must confess it is so well written you can hardly put the book down! A major achievement if you consider that this is an opening book - and moreover, one that does not shy away from variations!

(note: I have also some other material on the Acc. Dragon and made the necessary 'comparisons' / due diligence to test the recommended plans..  Wink)
  

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Reply #34 - 12/20/11 at 08:20:14
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IM Andrew Greet wrote on 12/20/11 at 02:45:02:
Finally, about my Ruy Lopez book: I rate it pretty highly. (I hope it doesn't sound arrogant, but I don't believe in false modesty.)


Well, I am not sure, but I think you are being modest. You have totally left out Starting Out: Accelerated Dragon, which was very good and miles better than any other SO I have read. BUCD and The Ruy Lopez are also very good. Great work and I do hope you publish something pretty soon. The time you've spent on the books seems very well spent!
  
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Reply #33 - 12/20/11 at 02:45:02
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PatzerKing wrote on 12/15/11 at 10:37:36:
Hi Keano,

would be interesting to see which line you go in detail and which improvements you see for Black.
At the moment I am reading “Tigerīs Modern” because I want to play with some move-orders as Black 1… g6 2…Bg7 3…d6 (…c5 -> acc Dragon) 4…a6 (…Nf6 (->Pirc)) to let White think which opening it will be at the end. Therefore I also checked “Greetīs line” against the Modern and I have the same opinion that I had in the Pirc chapter: The line for White is well selected and the explanation about the ideas and the analysis is very good. If I have time I will open a thread similar to this about the Modern.
It hasnīt something to do with this chapter but I have some general questions to Mr. Greet.

@Mr.Greet:

1. Which chess book projects do you have in the pipe?
2. Are you working together with Jacob Aagaard on the Grandmaster Repertoire 1.e4…?
    This questionscomes to my mind because I think you reviewed some Quality Chess books?
3. Due to the good opinion I have about the quality of your books I think about buying your Ruy Lopez book. Can you still recommend it or do you see any major trends in some line? Ok, stupid question, of course you would recommend it. Anybody else have an opinion about this book?


I don't have any writing projects in the pipeline at present. This last one (BUCD - 1.e4) was a major commitment which took away more of my free time at weekends than I care to remember, and I have no desire to repeat that any time soon.
I have actually been working full-time as an editor at Quality Chess for well over two years now. The reason why I wrote my last book for the 'wrong' publisher was that I signed the contract for it before being offered the job at QC, and it took me more than two years after starting the job to get the book finished in my spare time. In the circumstances - and putting modesty aside - I'm especially pleased with the quality of the finished product.

As for working with Jacob on the 1.e4 books, I won't be contributing to this book in a major way although I will certainly share my ideas if Jacob is interested in them. (For instance, I know that he is interested in using some of my ideas in BUCD as a starting point in certain variations.)
My main role at QC is editing for language and sometimes chess content, depending on the project. I have a vague idea in mind that I may write a book for QC at some distant point in the future, to 'set the record straight' as it were, by writing something for the publisher which - employee loyalty aside - I consider the best in the business. But I have no idea what the subject will be, or when it will happen. (Certainly not next year.)

Finally, about my Ruy Lopez book: I rate it pretty highly. (I hope it doesn't sound arrogant, but I don't believe in false modesty.) It's a complete and detailed repertoire; Everyman asked me for 192 pages, and I gave them 376. One potential negative is that I focused on the Worrall System with 5.Qe2, so if you intend to play the main lines with 5.0-0 and 6.Re1 you will need another source. But even if you have no interest in 5.Qe2, the sections on Black's third- and fourth-move sidelines still make up a book's worth of material.
I have no doubt that Jacob's Ruy Lopez volume will be by far and away the highest-quality source for the white side of this opening, but it will not be ready for quite some time.

I hope that answers everything.

Have a great Christmas everyone! Smiley
  
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Reply #32 - 12/20/11 at 02:08:10
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Keano wrote on 12/15/11 at 09:38:30:
I've had a look at this book and may I say I am very pleasantly surprised. I was expecting a typical "club player repertoire" which skims over the various problems as most opening books seem to do nowadays. I used to play this line myself (Austrian with Be3) and having looked at this book I am astounded by the quality and depth of the analysis in this chapter, Greet literally leaves no stone unturned, it is the only book I know of that covers this line in such detail, and the analysis is on a par with Khalifmans stuff in my view. If only other authors would put such an effort into proper research and analysis... anyway this is excellent.

Incidentally, from Blacks point of view I think he should go down the main-line with ...b6, ...Bb7, ...c5. There is some critical and interesting stuff there.


Thank you Keano, this is much appreciated.
  
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Reply #31 - 12/18/11 at 17:09:33
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To add a different opinion,
his treatment against the Alekhine is great and detailed enough without wasting time with tto many unecessary lines, in particular I liked his lines against
the Miles and the Kengis (although in both lines, he could have added a few other sound Black alternatives)
  
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Reply #30 - 12/15/11 at 13:00:41
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Agree. Greet does appear to be very thorough. Have the Ruy book, the anti-others book. Both plenty meaty.
  
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Reply #29 - 12/15/11 at 12:40:13
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Keano wrote on 12/15/11 at 09:38:30:
I've had a look at this book and may I say I am very pleasantly surprised. I was expecting a typical "club player repertoire" which skims over the various problems as most opening books seem to do nowadays. I used to play this line myself (Austrian with Be3) and having looked at this book I am astounded by the quality and depth of the analysis in this chapter, Greet literally leaves no stone unturned, it is the only book I know of that covers this line in such detail, and the analysis is on a par with Khalifmans stuff in my view. If only other authors would put such an effort into proper research and analysis... anyway this is excellent.

Incidentally, from Blacks point of view I think he should go down the main-line with ...b6, ...Bb7, ...c5. There is some critical and interesting stuff there.


Regarding Andrew Greet's works I can say that in his "Play the Ruy Lopez" he really does present excellent analysis and proper coverage for white to meet sidelines (for examples black's deviations on the 3rd move).
  
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Reply #28 - 12/15/11 at 10:37:36
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Hi Keano,

would be interesting to see which line you go in detail and which improvements you see for Black.
At the moment I am reading “Tigerīs Modern” because I want to play with some move-orders as Black 1… g6 2…Bg7 3…d6 (…c5 -> acc Dragon) 4…a6 (…Nf6 (->Pirc)) to let White think which opening it will be at the end. Therefore I also checked “Greetīs line” against the Modern and I have the same opinion that I had in the Pirc chapter: The line for White is well selected and the explanation about the ideas and the analysis is very good. If I have time I will open a thread similar to this about the Modern.
It hasnīt something to do with this chapter but I have some general questions to Mr. Greet.

@Mr.Greet:

1. Which chess book projects do you have in the pipe?
2. Are you working together with Jacob Aagaard on the Grandmaster Repertoire 1.e4…?
    This questionscomes to my mind because I think you reviewed some Quality Chess books?
3. Due to the good opinion I have about the quality of your books I think about buying your Ruy Lopez book. Can you still recommend it or do you see any major trends in some line? Ok, stupid question, of course you would recommend it. Anybody else have an opinion about this book?
  
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Re: IM Andrew Greetīs book against Pirc
Reply #27 - 12/15/11 at 09:38:30
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I've had a look at this book and may I say I am very pleasantly surprised. I was expecting a typical "club player repertoire" which skims over the various problems as most opening books seem to do nowadays. I used to play this line myself (Austrian with Be3) and having looked at this book I am astounded by the quality and depth of the analysis in this chapter, Greet literally leaves no stone unturned, it is the only book I know of that covers this line in such detail, and the analysis is on a par with Khalifmans stuff in my view. If only other authors would put such an effort into proper research and analysis... anyway this is excellent.

Incidentally, from Blacks point of view I think he should go down the main-line with ...b6, ...Bb7, ...c5. There is some critical and interesting stuff there.
  
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Reply #26 - 12/03/11 at 19:25:11
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Alternatively 15 Qe3 Bxf3.
  
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Reply #25 - 12/03/11 at 19:20:53
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PatzerKing wrote on 12/03/11 at 08:31:14:
@Chessguy:
I do not know this line but I always had the impression that the White center isnīt stable. I remember the game Topalov-Carlsen where White lost and I had the feeling that the position for Black was easy to play.
But due to your opinion it seems that it is worth to have a look.

I hadnīt answered your last post regarding the Pirc line but it looks like the critical try is taking on c5 and then winning the pawn. But I agree with you that Black has some compensation.


1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be3 Nbd7 7.Qd2 c5 8.dxc5 Nxc5 9.e5 Nf-e4 10. Nxe4 Nxe4 11. Qb4 Nc5 12. Bxc5 a5! 13. Qd4 dxc5 14. Qxc5 Bg4 and now maybe 15 Qe3 f6! with pretty decent play for the pawn for black.
  
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Reply #24 - 12/03/11 at 19:07:11
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The Alekhine comments seems more to belong in that other thread I think: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1316378053
  
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Reply #23 - 12/03/11 at 18:51:04
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The Modern is the most serious challenge to Alekhine's, so it should hardly be a surprise that someone chose it for a repertoire book.
  

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Reply #22 - 12/03/11 at 08:31:14
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@Chessguy:
I do not know this line but I always had the impression that the White center isnīt stable. I remember the game Topalov-Carlsen where White lost and I had the feeling that the position for Black was easy to play.
But due to your opinion it seems that it is worth to have a look.

I hadnīt answered your last post regarding the Pirc line but it looks like the critical try is taking on c5 and then winning the pawn. But I agree with you that Black has some compensation.
  
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Reply #21 - 12/02/11 at 17:57:33
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Why surprised that 4. Nf3 was recommended against the Alekhine. That is after all well known as one of the most critical tries and also not too hard to learn.
  
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Reply #20 - 12/02/11 at 17:39:06
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@IM Andrew Greet:
Thanks for your comment. From my point of view you did a great job with the book. I have played all my life 1.e4 and with Black I moved from Svechnikov Sicilian via Scandinavian to Pirc. So, I can give a personal opinion to almost every chapter:
1.      Scandinavian: 3.Nf3 is also my choice against this opening and also feared it when I played the Scandinavian with Black. I was happy to see that you choosed it.
2.      Pirc: I think the Austrian Attack is the critical try. The Be3 setup was a good choice because it is not easy to play against it and the main line is discussed a lot in other book. Especially your idea h2-h3-h4 + Rh3 against the “Umansky”- line gave me a lot of headache and for me it is almost a refutation.
3.      Modern:  Good choice but in some variation I have another opinion about the evaluation of the position but thatīs chess. But this was only in a few lines.
4.      Aljechin: I am happy with the Exchange variation with White so I hadnīt a look at your line. But I was surprised that you choose the Nf3-line.
5.      Philidor: I was very surprised about dxe5 and queen exchange. My first impression was “What???? This line should lead to a better position for White”. But after a discussion with a friend who plays the Philidor your choice seems to be quite well. +/= over a long period of moves.

So, in general I am very happy with the book and looking forward for your next projects. Thanks for joining the discussion about your book.
  
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Reply #19 - 12/02/11 at 15:53:52
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Chessguy wrote on 11/28/11 at 02:28:41:
It might be that black gets decent play also after 8 0-0-0 Ng4 though. I suspect that 6 Be3 might not be the most critical move , though maybe good as a practical weapon for club players for which the book was intended.


I was surprised to read the above comment about the book being aimed at "club players". As an IM at around the 2450 level, my general rule was to analyse everything to the level at which I would prepare openings to use in my own games.
Throughout the book I have recommended quality main lines which have been tested at the highest levels. There were a few options such as 3.Nf3 against the Scandinavian and 7.Qd4!? in the Pirc which are not 'absolute' main lines, but which I considered interesting and promising enough to recommend. In the Pirc, I don't consider 6.Be3 to be in the least bit objectively inferior to 6.Bd3. When it came to deciding between these two lines, a big consideration was that 6.Bd3 has been covered so well by Khalifman, and I decided I would be adding more value to chess literatire by covering 6.Be3.

Anyway I'm pleased to see that the book is at least stimulating some discussion.
  
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Reply #18 - 11/30/11 at 01:58:26
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It seems both Houdini 1.5 and Komodo 3 prefers 11.. Nc5. If then 0-0-0 then maybe ..a5 followed by queen c7 or b6 threatening Bg4. Greet mentions Qc7 directly after 0-0-0 instead of ..a5 first. ..a5 can always be thrown in later I suppose. After 11.. Nsc5 12. 0-0-0 Qc7 13 exd6 exd6 14. Bd4 he says that it gave white a pleasant edge in S.Dvoirys-G. Laketic Chelyabinsk 1991. After 14.. Bxd4 15. Nxd4 then for example ..a5 16. Qc3 Bg4 and the computers assess this as pretty equal. Black is fully developed, but might have a weak pawn on d6. Whites pawns on g2 and f4 are also a bit exposed.
  
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Reply #17 - 11/29/11 at 07:16:24
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@Chessguy:

9...Nfe4 is the move of the game Stoere-Hanison, 1990 that Greet gives in his book. the game continues like this: 10.Nxe4 Nxe4 11.Qb4 d5 12.Bd3 b6 13.0-0 Qc7 14.a4!

I donīt know what the silicon brain says about the position, perhps it is something like +=/=, but I donīt like the position. Letīs have a "human look" at it:
Normally in Pirc you change with Black the pawn structure in the way you like with c7-c6-c5, e7-e5, d6-d5,... In this position the pawn structure is almost fix. Only f7-f6 for Black and a4-a5 and c2-c4 is on the agenda. The white pawn moves looks easier to achieve. The white pieces are more active: Look at the bishops and the white knight is very stable when it comes to d4. The black knight on e4 isnīt stable, e.g. Rfc1 and c2-c4. With the black Queen on c7 this lokks preety akward. After seeing this game I donīt like the position after 14.a4!
  
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Reply #16 - 11/28/11 at 22:04:11
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Ok so then you can play Nf-e4 in the line above instead of Ng4 right?
  
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Reply #15 - 11/28/11 at 19:17:19
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Hi,

regarding the line:
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be3 Nbd7 7.Qd2 c5 8.dxc5 Nxc5 9.e5 Ng4 and now 10.Bxc5 dxc5 11.0-0-0 Qxd2 12.Rxd2 Ne3 13.Bd3 Bg4 14.Be4 Nc4 15.Re2 +/= suggested by Greet is playable, but perhaps my negative evaluation of this position is, that I donīt like queensless middlegames.

@HgMan: I thought a lot about playing 5...c5 or 5...0-0. In general I am using the Pirc when I want to win against players Elo<2200 because the queens stay on the board and the different structures in the Pirc are not easy to understand and feeling about pawn structure, weak squares,.. is more important than knowing a theoretical line of 20 moves.
I choose 5...0-0 because the above mentioned idea fits more to 5...0-0. I have the feelimg that 5...c5 is more "drawish" than 5....0-0. Also I donīt like the Greet suggestion of 7.Qd4!? after 6.dxc5 Qa5 in the 5...c5 line.
But this is my personal opinion. In the 5...0-0 I play the setup with ...Na6,...c5,...Bg4. Analysed this a lot and have good results with it.
  
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Reply #14 - 11/28/11 at 13:20:14
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I had an unattributed line in my notes—the Vigus must be the source of it. Of course, Vigus seemed to lean towards 5...c5 instead of castling. Does anyone have any sense of the Pirc fashions and whether 5...c5 or 5...0-0 is preferable?
  

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Reply #13 - 11/28/11 at 11:38:22
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HgMan wrote on 11/28/11 at 02:34:00:
Chessguy wrote on 11/28/11 at 02:13:57:
Well Greet recommends to avoid it by 8 dxc5 saying on page 131 that black has reasonable chances to equalize after 8..Ng4! 9. Bg1 cxd4 10 Nxd4 e5. To me this at least as good for white as the variations arising after 8 dxc5 when I look at the variations with Houdini 1.5 and Komodo 3 and Critter 1.2.. I would in other words try the mainline 8. 0-0-0 there. 


1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be3 Nbd7 7.Qd2 c5 8.dxc5 Nxc5 9.e5 Ng4 10.Bg1 b6 11.0-0-0 Bb7 looks nicely complicated.


On page 131 Greet mentions that Vigus said that this is unclear that line you suggest. It indeed also seems very playable for black yes. Double edged.

  
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Reply #12 - 11/28/11 at 02:49:11
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9.. Nf-e4 seems okay also in that last line of yours. I will have to take a look at Ng4 in that position first to consider that.
  
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Chessguy wrote on 11/28/11 at 02:13:57:
Well Greet recommends to avoid it by 8 dxc5 saying on page 131 that black has reasonable chances to equalize after 8..Ng4! 9. Bg1 cxd4 10 Nxd4 e5. To me this at least as good for white as the variations arising after 8 dxc5 when I look at the variations with Houdini 1.5 and Komodo 3 and Critter 1.2.. I would in other words try the mainline 8. 0-0-0 there. 


1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be3 Nbd7 7.Qd2 c5 8.dxc5 Nxc5 9.e5 Ng4 10.Bg1 b6 11.0-0-0 Bb7 looks nicely complicated.
  

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It might be that black gets decent play also after 8 0-0-0 Ng4 though. I suspect that 6 Be3 might not be the most critical move , though maybe good as a practical weapon for club players for which the book was intended.
  
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Well Greet recommends to avoid it by 8 dxc5 saying on page 131 that black has reasonable chances to equalize after 8..Ng4! 9. Bg1 cxd4 10 Nxd4 e5. To me this at least as good for white as the variations arising after 8 dxc5 when I look at the variations with Houdini 1.5 and Komodo 3 and Critter 1.2.. I would in other words try the mainline 8. 0-0-0 there.
  
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Reply #8 - 11/27/11 at 23:45:15
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Are there reasons to avoid:

1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be3 Nbd7 7.Qd2 c5 8.0-0-0 Ng4 ?
  

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Reply #7 - 11/16/11 at 19:58:36
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These lines look like a bit better for White to me. Certainly playable, but I am not sure Black has any real counterplay. Byrne's 10. Qd2, or Navarra's 10. a3 look interesting too.
  
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Reply #6 - 11/16/11 at 12:35:38
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Yes, I agree with you about the whole setup with 6...b6, because also "Polgar-Smirin, 2000" doesnīt look very promising for Black.

At the moment I think about following the setup/game:

-> Pavasovic-Mrkonjic, 2010

1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be3 c6 7.h3!? and then switching to

-> Pavasovic-Graf, 2005: 7...Qa5 8.Bd3 Nbd7 9.0-0 e5 10.Qe1 exd4 11.Bxd4.

This looks playable for Black also I fear to get cramped on the kingside with f4-f5, g4-g5 at the right moment.
I have to think about a concept for Black how I can face this plan of White and getting counterplay.

I think in the game -> Pavasovic-Graf, 2005 11...Re8 was a little fault and the direct 11...Nc5 is more accurate. The main difference is that after 11...Nc5 the pawn on f7 is overprotected after 12.Qf2, so that after 12.Nxd3 cxd3 the threat e4-e5 isnīt such a problem like in the game.  Undecided


  
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Re: IM Andrew Greetīs book against Pirc
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I have to say that the line looks good for White. Might be that Black has to improve earlier, maybe even at move 6?
  
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Hi guys,

short update from my side.
Yesterday I checked the game Shirov-McNab, 2006 and the "Umansky line" with 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be3 b6 7.Qd2 Bb7 8.e5 Ng4 9.0-0-0 c5 10.dxc5 bxc5 11.Bxc5 Nd7 12.Bg1! Rc8!? 13.h3 Nh6 (14.h4... Mr. Greetīs idea).

I couldnīt find anything against the idea of Mr. Greet to bring the rook to h3, playing h4-h5 and letting the pawn structure in the middle like it is. Neither ideas of Nb6 or Nf5 seems to work and Rh3 takes all the dirty tricks with blackīs Rxc3 out of the position.
So, for me the game Shirov-McNab, 2006 and the "Umansky-line" is a real problem for Black  Sad
If there are no improvements by anoyone we have to focus on some other variation.

@IM Andrew Greet: 1:0 for you. Good job with this Idea of Rh3 and h4-h5.  Wink
  
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PatzerKing wrote on 11/15/11 at 21:08:59:
Hi "fling",

I answered your question in the other thread "simple plan against the Pirc" so that we can focus on the "Greet stuff" in this thread. Hope this helps.

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Hey, yes, it helps for sure Smiley
  
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Hi "fling",

I answered your question in the other thread "simple plan against the Pirc" so that we can focus on the "Greet stuff" in this thread. Hope this helps.

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Re: IM Andrew Greetīs book against Pirc
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Interesting. I have been thinking of playing the Pirc after reading Pirc Alert. But of course, there the recommendation is not 5. ...0-0, but ...c5. There are some drawing variations in this line of course, but otherwise I think it makes sense to use the Pirc against lower rated players as you say. However, I have always met various types of Be3-Qd2 set-ups when playing blitz games online and White has easier to find good moves, I think.

Anyway, with that being said, Vigus writes that Black has problems in the 6...b6 lines, but stops after just the start of the "Umansky line" after 12 ...Rc8, of course. I haven't looked at the analysis in Greet's book, but it might be the case there are improvements. The forum might find something. I think there are many tough lines also in the 6. e5 line as well. Has this already been discussed here, with any improvements on Vaisser-Palac, 2000?
  
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11/15/11 at 17:45:57
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Hi Pirc-fellows,

at the moment I am checking the lines against the Pirc that IM Andrew Greet suggests in his new book “Beating unusual chess defences:  1.e4”. I (ca. 2300 Elo) like the Pirc because it fits very good with the Kings Indian that I play also with black. I also think, that it is a good weapon against lower rated player, because there arenīt much drawing lines, queens stay on the board and the black position has its potential.
But as a 1.e4-player I have to say that I like the book of Mr. Greet and his repertoire suggestions (Nf3 against the Scandinavian, some lines against the Modern,..).
But now letīs have a look at the stem games he analyses against the Pirc:

1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0
     5…c5 6.dxc5 Qa5 7.Qd4
                    7…dxc5 -> van Herwaaeden-de Saegher, 2006
                    7…0-0 -> Pilavov-Zimmermann, 2007
6.Be3 b6
   6…Nbd7 -> Stoere-Hanison, 1990
   6…c6 -> Pavasovic-Mrkonjic, 2010
   6…Nc6 -> Aagaard-McNab, 2000
   6…Na6 -> Kotsur-Kakageldyev, 2003
7.Qd2 Bb7
   7…c5 -> Polgar-Smirin, 2000
8.e5 Ng4 9.0-0-0
   9…c5 -> Shirov-McNab, 2006
   9…dxe5 -> Spraggett-Jakobsen, 2007

I am playing with black the line with 5…0-0, so I want to focus on this. After reading the chapter I think that we Pirc-fellows will have to face these lines more often in the near future.
At the moment I would follow the game Shirov-McNab, 2006:

1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be3 b6 7.Qd2 Bb7 8.e5 Ng4 9.0-0-0 c5 10.dxc5 bxc5 11. Lxc5 and then playing the “Umansky idea”: 11…Nd7 12.Lg1! Rc8!?.

This leads to a very complicated game that I started to analyse but it is a mess (many ideas, very complicated,…). IM Andrew Greet gives in his book the idea 13.h3 Nh6 14.h4 Nf5 15.Rh3 h5…, which was new for me.

So, my Pirc friends: What do you play against the recommended line  of Mr. Greet and can we find any improvements in the games above? I have some ideas in these games, but I have to check them with the board and the silicon brain and not by reading the book only in the train on my way to work.
  
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