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Re: English Symmetrical, Fischer setup recommendations
Reply #9 - 12/06/11 at 23:32:42
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BabySnake wrote on 12/06/11 at 11:03:28:
I still think Marin's books are fantastic, but he covers so much new ground that of course he can not possibly foresee all possibilities!  Grin




I fully agree with you!..  Lips Sealed
  
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 12/06/11 at 10:17:16:
(Just to be clear, this game is over, isn't it?  I'd hate to discuss a game in progress.)

Completely over!  Smiley
  
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Re: English Symmetrical, Fischer setup recommendations
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I had forgotten but then remembered when I came back to this thread that an opponent of mine a while age did choose the exact same set-up and move order (8. Bd2 b6 9. a3 Bb7)  which to me after more thought seems to put the ball back into white's court regarding the Marin/Jobava approach vs the Fischer set-up. So I totally agree with Vass....I'm stumped!

I still think Marin's books are fantastic, but he covers so much new ground that of course he can not possibly foresee all possibilities!  Grin



  
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Re: English Symmetrical, Fischer setup recommendations
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(Just to be clear, this game is over, isn't it?  I'd hate to discuss a game in progress.)
  
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Reply #5 - 12/05/11 at 17:30:28
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Yes!.. And such approach as this one of my opponent's is to be considered, too.. Black seems to be OK in all lines, especially with b7-b6 and Bc8-b7 before 0-0 is made..  Wink
  
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Re: English Symmetrical, Fischer setup recommendations
Reply #4 - 12/05/11 at 17:24:44
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Vass wrote on 12/05/11 at 16:10:04:
Come on, guys!.. Your fearless 10.Rb1 can be easily met by Nc6-d4 (a standart threat in such setups) and the white bishop on g2 is not defended.. While 10.0-0 0-0 11.Rb1 goes into the main line where black is OK choosing between d7-d5 or d7-d6 setups. In fact, the Marin's intention was to avoid the main line's equality with an early Qc1 and b2-b4 as per some Jobava games..  Wink


I remember the idea (hitting h6), but I haven't really looked at it in detail. Apparently, Marin might not have done that either. On the other hand, in some of the lines he looks at, I wasn't convinced that White had such an edge. The queen on c1 might still have to move, thus giving the tempo back. I don't remember on top of my head which variation it was. I have to check my notes.

Maybe Black is ok after all in these lines. I have actually been thinking of playing the Fischer setup even after looking at Marin's analysis.
  
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Re: English Symmetrical, Fischer setup recommendations
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Come on, guys!.. Your fearless 10.Rb1 can be easily met by Nc6-d4 (a standart threat in such setups) and the white bishop on g2 is not defended.. While 10.0-0 0-0 11.Rb1 goes into the main line where black is OK choosing between d7-d5 or d7-d6 setups. In fact, the Marin's intention was to avoid the main line's equality with an early Qc1 and b2-b4 as per some Jobava games..  Wink
  
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Re: English Symmetrical, Fischer setup recommendations
Reply #2 - 12/05/11 at 15:23:42
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Yes, Rb1 looks pretty thematic, either before or after castling.
  
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Re: English Symmetrical, Fischer setup recommendations
Reply #1 - 12/05/11 at 14:59:17
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How about 11.Rb1. If 11.-Na5 then 12.b4.
  
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English Symmetrical, Fischer setup recommendations
12/05/11 at 13:42:20
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Hi all!
As a first player in one of my recent correspondence chess games I followed the Jobava-Marin's approach to meet the so-called Fischer setup as it follows:

And here Marin gives only 8... 0-0 9. a3 (delaying 0-0 for some time) 9... b6 10. Rb1 and if 10... Bb7 11. Qc1! (N) gaining a tempo attacking the h6-pawn, followed by 12. b4 with some real chances for +=  Wink
Great!.. And I fully agree with him. But,... My opponent as black followed a slightly different move order:

And suddenly I realised that I was out of my preparation..  Cheesy Where is my Qc1 gaining a tempo?!  Shocked Nothing left except 10. 0-0 0-0 11. Qc1 Na5 12. Qc2 Nac6 13. Rab1 d6 14. b4 Qd7 and black is OK. And where did I go wrong?  Huh
  
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