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Re: What are the best books on the Dutch?
Reply #18 - 02/06/21 at 22:01:02
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Having myself to play against people in the1600-2200 fide elo range in tournament games, I'd like to say that the video series in chess24 by Roeland Pruijssers is very good. Well explained and deep enough.

He (Pruijssers) advocates for 7...Qe8 in the mainline. Contrary to Sicilians and French, you will be getting a lot of mainlines, so this decision is very important (7...Qe8 vs 7...c6). I think the queen move is sharper (and riskier) but I play Leningrad to try to win and get a complex game.

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Re: What are the best books on the Dutch?
Reply #17 - 02/06/21 at 01:28:10
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Thank you brabo and mnb. I’ll take a look at those.
  

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Re: What are the best books on the Dutch?
Reply #16 - 02/04/21 at 11:17:24
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Sandman wrote on 02/04/21 at 00:27:40:
Hey guys, which Dutch book has the best repertoire on the Leningrad for someone new to the Leningrad Dutch?

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Perhaps you'll need more than one book. One important decision you have to make is which line to play after 1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.O-O O-O 6.c4 d6 7.Nc3.
As an intro I'd suggest GM Moskalenko's Diamond Dutch. It's not a repertoaire book, so you'll need more. But he discusses many (not all) problems you'll meet when searching your way in the Leningrad jungle.
  

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Re: What are the best books on the Dutch?
Reply #15 - 02/04/21 at 06:51:29
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Best on the market today is without doubt https://thinkerspublishing.com/product/adrien-demuth-the-modernized-dutch-defens...

A new book from Mihail Marin is expected but already delayed several times : https://www.qualitychess.co.uk/products/1/363/leningrad_dutch_by_mihail_marin/
  
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While I’m asking, which book is best for anti-Dutch lines as I plan on playing 1..... f5
  

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Hey guys, which Dutch book has the best repertoire on the Leningrad for someone new to the Leningrad Dutch?

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Re: What are the best books on the Dutch?
Reply #12 - 01/15/12 at 16:56:50
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Turns out its the leningrad dutch specifically, Ive been facing so much.
  

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Re: What are the best books on the Dutch?
Reply #11 - 01/13/12 at 12:20:32
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NeverGiveUp wrote on 01/12/12 at 15:15:30:
The worst book on the Dutch I've come across is Pinski's book on the classical dutch. It's very confusing. This is a pity and strange because another book of Pinski I have about the two knights is just downright excellent. 


It's very far from the worst book on the Dutch. The e6-systems in the Dutch are confusing in themselves and the chosen format of illustrative games instead of a larger overview makes it more confusing, but if you go through the games there are many ideas not noted in other sources.
  
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Re: What are the best books on the Dutch?
Reply #10 - 01/12/12 at 15:15:30
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I have several books on the Dutch, but Kindermann's book really stands out. It's loaded wih information of the highest quality. Also the selection of lines is clever and well done. So even against strong opposition (2300) I'm usually doing well just relying on Kindermann.
The worst book on the Dutch I've come across is Pinski's book on the classical dutch. It's very confusing. This is a pity and strange because another book of Pinski I have about the two knights is just downright excellent.
  
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Re: What are the best books on the Dutch?
Reply #9 - 01/12/12 at 12:47:58
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For white: Starting Out: 1.d4! and later Avrukh's book but I really thing the Starting Out book is good enough for a first contact.
For black: it depends on which system you'd like to play. So maybe first the Starting Out book and then a more specialized source.
By the way, McDonald's book about the Leningrad has been criticized a lot but with the updates, I think it is a very interesting source of ideas if you want to play the Dutch Leningrad on a more aggressive manner than what Beim and Kindermann recommend.
  

Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: What are the best books on the Dutch?
Reply #8 - 01/04/12 at 11:51:01
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Funny that so many mentions Avrukh, I don't really see the appeal of the system he advocates. Not very critical imo, but it'll need less updating - which is a trap many d4-repertoire books fall into. Spending most of their energy on the different Indians and then giving something 'simple' vs the Dutch before sending in the manuscript.

Btw, on the Iljin, it's main GM practitioner Simon Williams has a 6 hour dvd on it and if you want a second opinion at times, then Pinski's book on it could be worth having too.
  
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Re: What are the best books on the Dutch?
Reply #7 - 01/04/12 at 05:51:49
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For White, Avrukh's GM2. For Black, Kindermann's Leningrad Dutch for Leningrad, Winning With the Stonewall Dutch by Johnsen, Bern, and Adgestein for Stonewall Dutch.
  

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Re: What are the best books on the Dutch?
Reply #6 - 01/04/12 at 04:03:05
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The Dutch Stonewall book published by gambit a few years ago, 2009. It was written by sverre johansson, IM Ivar Bern, GM Adgestein. I just love the fact that the dutch stonewall doesn't have to be played like an idiot with a Knife charging a pill box. Black can play on the queenside and in the center. The book lucidly demonstrates many plans in every variation that will pose your opponent serious problems.

IM Ivar Bern is a correspondence GM and he plays the stonewall dutch, thus it is tested at the highest levels with on going computer analysis.
  
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Re: What are the best books on the Dutch?
Reply #5 - 12/31/11 at 16:08:36
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At club level, there are some more common anti-Dutch systems, I think. One is 1.d4 f5 2.Nc3, the other are gambits, as mentioned, with either e4 or g4.
  
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Re: What are the best books on the Dutch?
Reply #4 - 12/31/11 at 13:40:21
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up and comer wrote on 12/31/11 at 06:15:18:
To play against it, and to play it yourself? I have no book knowledge on it, but have been seeing it a lot in tournaments. I want to know it completely and understand how I should play and the plans I need to use from both sides.


To play it yourself, you could begin with McDonald's Starting Out book and go on to for example Kindermann's book if you want to play the Leningrad.

But it's not an opening you read about and then know. The most important is playing it a lot and analyse where and why things went wrong. As black you can expect about 60% d4+g3 systems, the tricky thing is knowing what to do against the other 40% which ranges from the solid but toothless all the way to very wild gambits.

The bonus is that if you play it consistently with black, you'll end up with a large armoury of ideas to test when facing it with white.
  
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