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Re: What to play against 1. c4 for Grünfeld players
Reply #10 - 01/23/12 at 19:48:17
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I don't understand 1 c4 g6 - how will we avoid the Symmetrical?

1 c4 g6
2 Nc3 c5 per Kaufman, but what if 
3 g3?

Isn't this a main line Symmetrical English? He also says that he doesn't cover 1 g3 because it will almost surely transpose to his 1 .. g6
  
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Re: What to play against 1. c4 for Grünfeld players
Reply #9 - 01/15/12 at 21:26:58
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There was a previous edition, called the Chess Advantage in Black and White, but as it covered the Semi-Slav, I doubt it would assist you based on your question. 
  
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Re: What to play against 1. c4 for Grünfeld players
Reply #8 - 01/15/12 at 20:18:41
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That book is not published yet, or was there a previous edition? In any case, I do not have the older edition.
  
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Re: What to play against 1. c4 for Grünfeld players
Reply #7 - 01/15/12 at 19:59:39
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What about 1.c4 g6 following the new "The Kaufman Repertoire for Black and White" recommendation?
  
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Re: What to play against 1. c4 for Grünfeld players
Reply #6 - 01/10/12 at 09:55:01
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I currently play that line, but I have heard the argument that 1. c4 should be treated differently than 1. d4. A lot of players who play 1. d4 play this line deliberately against Grünfeld players. The line can get annoying to face frequently, but the advantage is that it avoids extra study for another line against 1. c4.
  
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Re: What to play against 1. c4 for Grünfeld players
Reply #5 - 01/10/12 at 09:50:03
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If you are a Grunfeld player I like the philosophy of continuing true to form with something like 1. c4 Nf6 2. g3 g6 3. Nc3 d5
  
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Re: What to play against 1. c4 for Grünfeld players
Reply #4 - 01/09/12 at 21:41:04
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 01/09/12 at 19:58:29:
I have Palliser's book which covers the Symmetrical--is the theory still about the same here? The Anti-Grünfeld can sometimes be troublesome, but I was hesitant about the Symmetrical in case I had to transpose to the Maróczy. I used to play the Maróczy Bind against the Accelerated Dragon when I played 1. e4 and I had a 100% score with it. Just a slow positional treatment of the position and I often managed to prevent any counterplay. So playing against the Maróczy via the Symmetrical obviously would not be too favourable to me.


Palliser doesn't cover Marin's (and OFWAK) suggestion of using the plan to play Ne1 and Nc2 before White plays d3. This way White will get the knight to e3 and at the same time prevent Black's freeing breaks ...d5 and ...b5. I started a thread on this earlier. White may have a slight edge, but there are still some ok lines for Black I think.

But this set-up is basically an attempt from Black to create a bind (pawns on e5 and c5). The old main lines see Black play ...d5, which leads to a Maroczy-type position.
  
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Re: What to play against 1. c4 for Grünfeld players
Reply #3 - 01/09/12 at 19:58:29
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I have Palliser's book which covers the Symmetrical--is the theory still about the same here? The Anti-Grünfeld can sometimes be troublesome, but I was hesitant about the Symmetrical in case I had to transpose to the Maróczy. I used to play the Maróczy Bind against the Accelerated Dragon when I played 1. e4 and I had a 100% score with it. Just a slow positional treatment of the position and I often managed to prevent any counterplay. So playing against the Maróczy via the Symmetrical obviously would not be too favourable to me.
  
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Re: What to play against 1. c4 for Grünfeld players
Reply #2 - 01/09/12 at 17:27:41
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Svidler likes 1...e5 his favoured variation continues: 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.g3 Nd4 5.Bg2 Nxf3+. He scores very heavily in this and doesn't look too hard to learn, just logical development.

Personally I don't see the point in learning all the anti-grunfelds when there's better alternatives available, which take less time to learn. Also 1...c5 symmetrical can be considered + hedgehog if you play sicilian, longterm it's probably worthwhile learning all 3 so you have a choice. However, I think 1...e5 with a classical approach seems best if you just want one option.
  
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Re: What to play against 1. c4 for Grünfeld players
Reply #1 - 01/09/12 at 08:34:35
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 01/09/12 at 00:35:36:
If 1. c4, then is it best for Grünfeld players to continue into the Anti-Grünfeld line with 1. c4 Nf6 2. g3 g6 3. Nc3 d5 or play something else, and what else would it be? If Symmetrical, then what if White forces the Maróczy Bind?

The Symmetrical is obviously very strong and white cannot force the Maroczy:
E.g. 1. c4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. Nf3 and now

A) In 3...Nf6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 black still has 5... e6 or Qb6

B) even 3... g6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 Bg7 6. Nc2 can only end up being the Nc2 version of the Maroczy.

C) 3... Nd4 is not the Maroczy, although there could be a repetition of moves with a second chance to go into it...

D) 3... e5 totally avoids any Maroczy.

And 1. c4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 can be played with 4...Nf6 5. Nc3 e6 or 4...e6 or 4...Qb6.

Of course allowing the Maroczy transposition is an option for black (it's nice and solid, after all), although white will even often not go into it and instead play some purely English lines.
  
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What to play against 1. c4 for Grünfeld players
01/09/12 at 00:35:36
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If 1. c4, then is it best for Grünfeld players to continue into the Anti-Grünfeld line with 1. c4 Nf6 2. g3 g6 3. Nc3 d5 or play something else, and what else would it be? If Symmetrical, then what if White forces the Maróczy Bind?
  
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