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Re: The Berlin Defence - Igor Lysyj, Roman Ovetchkin
Reply #42 - 03/24/12 at 02:31:54
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How about the endgame main line in the book? Is that one of the most popular choices (9...Ke8, and within that variation, 10. h3 h5)?
  

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Reply #41 - 03/24/12 at 02:17:05
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Michalik,Peter (2529) - Lysyj,Igor (2656) [C65]
EICC 2012 Plovdiv/Bulgaria, 22.03.2012


1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.d3 Bc5 5.Bxc6 dxc6 6.0-0 Nd7 7.Nbd2 0-0 8.Nc4 Re8 9.a4 f6 10.Bd2 Nf8 11.Nh4 Ne6 12.Nf5 Bf8 13.Kh1 c5 14.f4 exf4 15.Bxf4 Nxf4 16.Rxf4 Be6 17.b3 a6 18.a5 b5 19.axb6 cxb6 20.Nce3 g6 21.Ng3 Bh6 22.Rf3 b5 23.c4 Bxe3 24.Rxe3 a5 25.Ne2 a4 26.bxa4 bxc4 27.d4 cxd4 28.Qxd4 Qxd4 29.Nxd4 Bd5 30.Nb5 Rxe4 31.Rxe4 Bxe4 32.a5 Rb8 33.Nc3 Ba8 34.Ra4 Rb2 35.Rxc4 Kf7 36.Kg1 Rxg2+ 37.Kf1 Rxh2 38.Rc8 Bf3 39.a6 Rc2 40.a7 h5 41.Rc7+ Ke6 42.Ne4 Ra2 43.Nc3 Ra5 44.Kf2 Ba8 45.Rh7 g5 46.Rxh5 Rxa7 47.Rh8 Kf5 48.Ne2 Ra2 49.Rb8 Be4 50.Ke3 Ra3+ 51.Kf2 Kg4 52.Re8 f5 53.Nd4 Ra2+ 54.Ke3 Bb1 0-1
  

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Reply #40 - 03/23/12 at 09:53:20
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Thanks. The Berlin book is available but I found an error in the page to order the other book (Open Games) and I will wait to order both. Maybe New in Chess will have the books soon.
  

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Reply #39 - 03/22/12 at 23:14:44
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It appears that London Chess Centre have the book now:

http://www.ukgamesshop.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=chnew...
  

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Reply #38 - 03/21/12 at 10:03:20
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Yes, the book is expected tomorrow (22) on Chess Stars.  Smiley
  

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Reply #37 - 03/21/12 at 03:52:48
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Well the website http://chess-stars.com/ says "New". So I suppose the 26/03 you saw on Schachversand is when they expect to receive the shipment of the book?
  

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Reply #36 - 03/16/12 at 18:53:23
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Mortal Games wrote on 03/16/12 at 16:46:34:
Shirov is coming dangerously close to Dzindzi...He shows and says numerous times that he came unprepared for this recording!He says: Quote:
But still I am very far from understanding it's character. So let's hope that this DVD on this system will actually help you to understand the Berlin Defense as well.

than he says: Quote:
I almost didn't play any good game in the Berlin Defense.

About his game with Naiditsch: Quote:
I cannot avoid mentioning that before this I lost my previous three encounters against him as White and two of them were actually in the Berlin Defence. So I could more or less expect that Arcadij would not mind repeating his liked opening against me and also thinking to the fact that those two games I lost in a horrible way. I made some serious strategical mistakes right after the opening somewhere between move 12 or 15 and then early on move 20 I could almost resign. I had a strategically nearly lost position. So although it sounds strange for a white game, but my aim before this game was actually to set up an equal fight in the Berlin Defense as White. Not to do something really wrong and be lost almost immediately.

Conclusion: I like his honesty but this still doesn't justify his lack of effort. The whole presentation actually shows how good the Berlin is as an opening. As Shirov says: "It's really who feels the position better normally wins. No matter which colour he plays."


I agree with you 100%. I like Shirov as a player very much, but as a presenter on DVD's not so much. The main problem this time around though is the completely misleading Chessbase title, for clearly this DVD is not a repertoire for white.

As usual Shirov shows up to the studio with a few light notes to his games, being content to make up the rest as he goes along. Amazing how such a strong player is so unprofessional in delivering a presentation. I think these DVD's are seen more as a cathartic exercise by Shirov moreso than a teaching moment for consumers. Every clip on the DVD has a negative and apologetic tone, and implies that he is hardly and expert on the Berlin at all. Almost every variation and assessment is  preceeded or concluded with the words: Maybe; Probably; I don't Know; Who Knows?; I apologise for saying I don't know, but the Berlin is so strategically complex I think it is justified to say so. And on and on it goes, folks I am not making this stuff up, and honestly Chessbase should be sued for fraud. "Beating The Berlin"....Really? Shirov's colleagues must be laughing hysterically. 

I am convinced that were it not for his celeberity, and the fear of reprisals, that reviewers would consign this latest effort to the rubbish bin without hesitation.

It remains to be seen how much longer Shirov DVD's will generate sales based on his celebrity alone, although it could be that Shirov never intended this to be a repertore DVD at all, and it's Chessbase to blame for the absurd title.

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Reply #35 - 03/16/12 at 16:46:34
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Shirov is coming dangerously close to Dzindzi...
He shows and says numerous times that he came unprepared for this recording!
He says: Quote:
But still I am very far from understanding it's character. So let's hope that this DVD on this system will actually help you to understand the Berlin Defense as well.

than he says: Quote:
I almost didn't play any good game in the Berlin Defense.

About his game with Naiditsch: Quote:
I cannot avoid mentioning that before this I lost my previous three encounters against him as White and two of them were actually in the Berlin Defence. So I could more or less expect that Arcadij would not mind repeating his liked opening against me and also thinking to the fact that those two games I lost in a horrible way. I made some serious strategical mistakes right after the opening somewhere between move 12 or 15 and then early on move 20 I could almost resign. I had a strategically nearly lost position. So although it sounds strange for a white game, but my aim before this game was actually to set up an equal fight in the Berlin Defense as White. Not to do something really wrong and be lost almost immediately.

Conclusion: I like his honesty but this still doesn't justify his lack of effort. The whole presentation actually shows how good the Berlin is as an opening. As Shirov says: "It's really who feels the position better normally wins. No matter which colour he plays."
  

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Reply #34 - 03/15/12 at 21:45:54
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 03/15/12 at 21:41:36:
Is the 9...Ke8 line where Black usually ends up with the two bishops against dark-squared bishop and knight, the line that Kritz plays, or am I confusing lines?


Yes, this is the line Kritz recommends in his DVD (10.h3 Be7 11.g4 Nh4 12.Nxh4 Bxh4).
But in this book I see that they are about 10...h5, which amounts to a different type of positions.
  
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Reply #33 - 03/15/12 at 21:41:36
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Chess Stars are publishing a lot of books on high level openings recently: Grünfeld in April 2011, Petroff in October 2011, Réti in February 2012, now Berlin Defence in March 2012. I suppose I will be adding this book to be collection too.

Is the 9...Ke8 line where Black usually ends up with the two bishops against dark-squared bishop and knight, the line that Kritz plays, or am I confusing lines?
  

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Reply #32 - 03/15/12 at 20:33:18
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For the record, Shirov in his recent DVD recommends against the 10...h5 plan the continuation 11.Bf4 Be7 12.Rad1 Be6 13.Ng5 Rh6 14.g3.
However, he doesn't even mention Black's main choice here, 14...Bxg5 15.Bxg5 Rg6. Weird...  Angry
  
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Reply #31 - 03/15/12 at 18:48:26
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Reply #30 - 03/15/12 at 18:44:27
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The book date is 26/03.
  

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Reply #29 - 03/10/12 at 19:45:36
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Bibs wrote on 03/10/12 at 13:45:31:
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Don't see the appeal of Berlin or Petroff below, say, 2600 though.


Because they are both extremely solid openings. I think there was a discussion in a thread that was diverted from the Kaufman Repertoire thread about openings and ratings. I still do not think there should be a rating minimum in order to play certain openings.
  

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Reply #28 - 03/10/12 at 13:45:31
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Ametanoitos wrote on 03/10/12 at 12:41:26:


Funny screen shot. Looks like he has been on an all-nighter. Fell asleep on the first morning bus, found himself in Hamburg. "Well, seeing as I am here..."

Kinda like his vids, seems like an allright fella. Could do with being better prepared though, he does give the impression of winging some of it, on the spot.

Don't see the appeal of Berlin or Petroff below, say, 2600 though.
  
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