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Reply #57 - 06/01/18 at 16:22:02
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IsaVulpes wrote on 06/01/18 at 13:41:09:
Does anyone other than the chessmind-blog have an opinion on this book by now?  Wink Somehow all discussion stopped after it was actually released.

I really like the two Chess Stars books I own (Attacking the Flexible Sicilian / Attacking the English+Reti), and would like to add the Berlin to my repertoire for days where I don't feel like discussing the Marshall.

Is this book still a good idea despite being obviously dated by now? Don't really feel like I need any cutting edge theory at ~1900 level, but perhaps some of the lines are outright 'refuted' by now?
I was planning to learn the Endgame with Cox and use this for a start into the Anti-Berlins; can always update concrete lines later manually by checking out what people play nowadays (I presume that particularly the 4.d3 Bc5 5.Bc6: line has had some major developments in the last 6 years).

How does it stack up compared to the much more recent "Berlin Defence Unraveled"?
The excerpt of that one didn't read as nicely; felt more confuddled and denser than the neat Introduction-StepbyStep-CompleteGames format of the CStars books, which I've grown to love.
Should I get it anyway because 2012 is just 'too old' (even for a low rated OTB player rather than Correspondence GM)?

Or are there any other general problems with the Lysyj/Ovetchkin tome? Feedback would be lovely, thanks!


I found no problems with either Cox or Lysyj/Ovetchkin (whatever endorsement that entails) when I was looking for ways to play against the Berlin with White (the conclusion I reached was to play 3.Bc4 or 2.Bc4). For me: Cox > Lysyj > Bernal (I only read Bernal's excerpt).

I would just read the book whose style you like best. In the Berlin understanding of typical positions, common maneuvers/patterns/formations is what matters. Concrete variations and innovations matter less than in pretty much any other opening.
  
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Reply #56 - 06/01/18 at 13:41:09
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Does anyone other than the chessmind-blog have an opinion on this book by now?  Wink Somehow all discussion stopped after it was actually released.

I really like the two Chess Stars books I own (Attacking the Flexible Sicilian / Attacking the English+Reti), and would like to add the Berlin to my repertoire for days where I don't feel like discussing the Marshall.

Is this book still a good idea despite being obviously dated by now? Don't really feel like I need any cutting edge theory at ~1900 level, but perhaps some of the lines are outright 'refuted' by now?
I was planning to learn the Endgame with Cox and use this for a start into the Anti-Berlins; can always update concrete lines later manually by checking out what people play nowadays (I presume that particularly the 4.d3 Bc5 5.Bc6: line has had some major developments in the last 6 years).

How does it stack up compared to the much more recent "Berlin Defence Unraveled"?
The excerpt of that one didn't read as nicely; felt more confuddled and denser than the neat Introduction-StepbyStep-CompleteGames format of the CStars books, which I've grown to love.
Should I get it anyway because 2012 is just 'too old' (even for a low rated OTB player rather than Correspondence GM)?

Or are there any other general problems with the Lysyj/Ovetchkin tome? Feedback would be lovely, thanks!
  
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Reply #55 - 07/25/12 at 17:17:34
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PANFR wrote on 07/24/12 at 13:38:27:
They recommend 7...a6 (instead of Vlady's 7...Ne7).

Interesting. Kramnik seems to disagree with the authors!
In the past, Kramnik tried both 7...a6 and 7...Bb6, but here he goes for 7...Ne7 which is a very rare move. Or perhaps Kramnik is experimenting once more in this tournament!

PANFR wrote on 07/24/12 at 13:38:27:
They also say that under that particular move order (5.0-0 instead of 5.c3) 5...Nd4 is a good move, but they do not offer any analysis.

Well, Kramnik has tried both 5...Nd4 and 5...d6.
Since the Caruana game is only a few days old, Kramnik's current evaluation must be in favour of 5...d6
  

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Reply #54 - 07/24/12 at 13:38:27
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They recommend 7...a6 (instead of Vlady's 7...Ne7).
They also say that under that particular move order (5.0-0 instead of 5.c3) 5...Nd4 is a good move, but they do not offer any analysis.
  
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Reply #53 - 07/23/12 at 19:50:57
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 03/24/12 at 18:57:59:
Mortal Games wrote on 03/24/12 at 18:04:42:
Yes, but there are other options too in a creative strategic opening like the Berlin, the only problem is that today it seems that the way for White is to avoid the main line.   


The 4. d3 Bc5 line does not look as critical as the endgame line, the GMs seem to be playing it as a means of avoiding the endgame line at all costs. Surely Black just plays ...Bc5/d6/0-0 and develops simply like in the Italian Game, we will see what Lysyj will recommend against this line.


  

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Reply #52 - 07/03/12 at 21:45:25
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Reply #51 - 05/13/12 at 14:13:06
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cma6 wrote on 05/13/12 at 04:52:54:
Is the Kritz DVD also based on 9 Nc3, Ke8?


Yes, as the posts you cite imply, Kritz looks at lines that begin with 9 Nc3 Ke8.

If you want to know what he recommends thereafter, going to a website like chessgames.com and looking at Kritz's own games will give you a pretty good idea.
  

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Reply #50 - 05/13/12 at 04:55:54
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[quote author=0A34202A35362F061F3837590 link=1326363431/47#47 date=1332990050]The authors chose 9.Nc3 Ke8 in the Berlin endgame. I am also curious to see some good analysis of how White should play when Black chooses 9...h6 10.h3 Bd7 with the idea of moving the K to the Q-side.

Here is perhaps the seminal game with that plan:

[pgn][Event "World Championship"]
[Site "London"]
[Date "2000.10.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Kasparov, Garry"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C67"]
[WhiteElo "2849"]
[BlackElo "2770"]
[PlyCount "50"]
[EventDate "2000.10.08"]
[EventType "match"]
[EventRounds "15"]
[EventCountry "ENG"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2001.01.25"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Nxe4 5. d4 Nd6 6. Bxc6 dxc6 7. dxe5 Nf5
8. Qxd8+ Kxd8 9. Nc3 Bd7 10. b3 h6 11. Bb2 Kc8 12. h3 b6 13. Rad1 Ne7 14. Ne2
Ng6 15. Ne1 h5 16. Nd3 c5 17. c4 a5 18. a4 h4 19. Nc3 Be6 20. Nd5 Kb7 21. Ne3
Rh5 22. Bc3 Re8 23. Rd2 Kc8 24. f4 Ne7 25. Nf2 Nf5 1/2-1/2

I have not seen Kramnik's original approach with 9...Bd7 refuted or am I missing something? It seems that 9...Ke8 has simply become fashionable, but not better then 9...Bd7.
  
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Reply #49 - 05/13/12 at 04:52:54
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PANFR wrote on 03/15/12 at 21:45:54:
Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 03/15/12 at 21:41:36:
Is the 9...Ke8 line where Black usually ends up with the two bishops against dark-squared bishop and knight, the line that Kritz plays, or am I confusing lines?


Yes, this is the line Kritz recommends in his DVD (10.h3 Be7 11.g4 Nh4 12.Nxh4 Bxh4).
But in this book I see that they are about 10...h5, which amounts to a different type of positions.

Is the Kritz DVD also based on 9 Nc3, Ke8?
  
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Reply #48 - 05/10/12 at 23:27:24
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Just looked at where Bologan's recommendation in his dvd meets this book, it's in the 11.Bg5 line. They both follow the Amonatov - Karjakin game 2010 Moscow upto 11.Bg5 Be6 12. a3 Be7 13.Rad1 h4 however here Bologan deviates with 14.Rd2 instead of Amonatov's 14.Rfe1 which Houdini assesses both at 0.05 at depth 25. After 14.Rd2 Bologan's line continues with 14...Rd8 15.Rfd1 Bxg5 16.Nxg5 Rxd2 17.Rxd2 Ke7 18.Ne2 Bd5 19.Nf4 and Bologan assesses this as slightly favourable for White due to his 2 knights on f4 and g5. However after 19...Rd8 houdini gives it as 0.00 with the intention (in most cases) 20...Rd7 21...Be6 with rooks coming off and going into equal endgame.
  
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Reply #47 - 03/29/12 at 03:00:50
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The authors chose 9.Nc3 Ke8 in the Berlin endgame. I am also curious to see some good analysis of how White should play when Black chooses 9...h6 10.h3 Bd7 with the idea of moving the K to the Q-side.

Here is perhaps the seminal game with that plan:

  
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Reply #46 - 03/27/12 at 06:03:59
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The line 11. Bf4 Be7 with the rook lift to h6 is given.
  

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Reply #45 - 03/26/12 at 15:11:43
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Yes I agree with you, and I am curious to what variation Tkachiev was thinking about when he said in a recent  interview with Kramnik that White are starting to unravel it´s way against the Berlin and Petroff, because I only see White players playing 4.d3 or the other variation with Re1 followed by Bd3 or Bf1 etc.
Yesterday another game:
Jones,Gawain C B (2635) - Fressinet,Laurent (2693) [C67]
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1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.0-0 Nxe4 5.d4 Nd6 6.dxe5 Nxb5 7.a4 Nbd4 8.Nxd4 d5 9.exd6 Nxd4 10.Qxd4 Qxd6 11.Qe3+ Be6 12.Nc3 a6 13.Rd1 Qc6 14.Rd3 Be7 15.Nb5 0-0 16.Nd4 Qd5 17.Nxe6 Qxe6 18.Qxe6 fxe6 19.Be3 Bf6 20.c3 Rfd8 21.Rad1 Rxd3 22.Rxd3 Rd8 23.Rxd8+ Bxd8 24.g4 e5 25.Kg2 Kf7 26.Kf3 Ke6 27.Ke4 c6 28.f3 b5 29.b3 g6 30.c4 Be7 31.Bd2 Bd8 32.Bc3 Bc7 33.Bd2 Bd8 34.Bc3 Bc7 35.Bd2 1/2-1/2

At least, the variation with Re1 followed by Bd3 have more preassure against the castle position and some tricks but I do not believe in any of these variations for White.
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Reply #44 - 03/24/12 at 18:57:59
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Mortal Games wrote on 03/24/12 at 18:04:42:
Yes, but there are other options too in a creative strategic opening like the Berlin, the only problem is that today it seems that the way for White is to avoid the main line.   


The 4. d3 Bc5 line does not look as critical as the endgame line, the GMs seem to be playing it as a means of avoiding the endgame line at all costs. Surely Black just plays ...Bc5/d6/0-0 and develops simply like in the Italian Game, we will see what Lysyj will recommend against this line.
  

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Reply #43 - 03/24/12 at 18:04:42
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Yes, but there are other options too in a creative strategic opening like the Berlin, the only problem is that today it seems that the way for White is to avoid the main line.
  

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Reply #42 - 03/24/12 at 02:31:54
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How about the endgame main line in the book? Is that one of the most popular choices (9...Ke8, and within that variation, 10. h3 h5)?
  

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Reply #41 - 03/24/12 at 02:17:05
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Michalik,Peter (2529) - Lysyj,Igor (2656) [C65]
EICC 2012 Plovdiv/Bulgaria, 22.03.2012


1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.d3 Bc5 5.Bxc6 dxc6 6.0-0 Nd7 7.Nbd2 0-0 8.Nc4 Re8 9.a4 f6 10.Bd2 Nf8 11.Nh4 Ne6 12.Nf5 Bf8 13.Kh1 c5 14.f4 exf4 15.Bxf4 Nxf4 16.Rxf4 Be6 17.b3 a6 18.a5 b5 19.axb6 cxb6 20.Nce3 g6 21.Ng3 Bh6 22.Rf3 b5 23.c4 Bxe3 24.Rxe3 a5 25.Ne2 a4 26.bxa4 bxc4 27.d4 cxd4 28.Qxd4 Qxd4 29.Nxd4 Bd5 30.Nb5 Rxe4 31.Rxe4 Bxe4 32.a5 Rb8 33.Nc3 Ba8 34.Ra4 Rb2 35.Rxc4 Kf7 36.Kg1 Rxg2+ 37.Kf1 Rxh2 38.Rc8 Bf3 39.a6 Rc2 40.a7 h5 41.Rc7+ Ke6 42.Ne4 Ra2 43.Nc3 Ra5 44.Kf2 Ba8 45.Rh7 g5 46.Rxh5 Rxa7 47.Rh8 Kf5 48.Ne2 Ra2 49.Rb8 Be4 50.Ke3 Ra3+ 51.Kf2 Kg4 52.Re8 f5 53.Nd4 Ra2+ 54.Ke3 Bb1 0-1
  

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Reply #40 - 03/23/12 at 09:53:20
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Thanks. The Berlin book is available but I found an error in the page to order the other book (Open Games) and I will wait to order both. Maybe New in Chess will have the books soon.
  

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Reply #39 - 03/22/12 at 23:14:44
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It appears that London Chess Centre have the book now:

http://www.ukgamesshop.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=chnew...
  

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Reply #38 - 03/21/12 at 10:03:20
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Yes, the book is expected tomorrow (22) on Chess Stars.  Smiley
  

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Reply #37 - 03/21/12 at 03:52:48
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Well the website http://chess-stars.com/ says "New". So I suppose the 26/03 you saw on Schachversand is when they expect to receive the shipment of the book?
  

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Reply #36 - 03/16/12 at 18:53:23
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Mortal Games wrote on 03/16/12 at 16:46:34:
Shirov is coming dangerously close to Dzindzi...He shows and says numerous times that he came unprepared for this recording!He says: Quote:
But still I am very far from understanding it's character. So let's hope that this DVD on this system will actually help you to understand the Berlin Defense as well.

than he says: Quote:
I almost didn't play any good game in the Berlin Defense.

About his game with Naiditsch: Quote:
I cannot avoid mentioning that before this I lost my previous three encounters against him as White and two of them were actually in the Berlin Defence. So I could more or less expect that Arcadij would not mind repeating his liked opening against me and also thinking to the fact that those two games I lost in a horrible way. I made some serious strategical mistakes right after the opening somewhere between move 12 or 15 and then early on move 20 I could almost resign. I had a strategically nearly lost position. So although it sounds strange for a white game, but my aim before this game was actually to set up an equal fight in the Berlin Defense as White. Not to do something really wrong and be lost almost immediately.

Conclusion: I like his honesty but this still doesn't justify his lack of effort. The whole presentation actually shows how good the Berlin is as an opening. As Shirov says: "It's really who feels the position better normally wins. No matter which colour he plays."


I agree with you 100%. I like Shirov as a player very much, but as a presenter on DVD's not so much. The main problem this time around though is the completely misleading Chessbase title, for clearly this DVD is not a repertoire for white.

As usual Shirov shows up to the studio with a few light notes to his games, being content to make up the rest as he goes along. Amazing how such a strong player is so unprofessional in delivering a presentation. I think these DVD's are seen more as a cathartic exercise by Shirov moreso than a teaching moment for consumers. Every clip on the DVD has a negative and apologetic tone, and implies that he is hardly and expert on the Berlin at all. Almost every variation and assessment is  preceeded or concluded with the words: Maybe; Probably; I don't Know; Who Knows?; I apologise for saying I don't know, but the Berlin is so strategically complex I think it is justified to say so. And on and on it goes, folks I am not making this stuff up, and honestly Chessbase should be sued for fraud. "Beating The Berlin"....Really? Shirov's colleagues must be laughing hysterically. 

I am convinced that were it not for his celeberity, and the fear of reprisals, that reviewers would consign this latest effort to the rubbish bin without hesitation.

It remains to be seen how much longer Shirov DVD's will generate sales based on his celebrity alone, although it could be that Shirov never intended this to be a repertore DVD at all, and it's Chessbase to blame for the absurd title.

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Reply #35 - 03/16/12 at 16:46:34
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Shirov is coming dangerously close to Dzindzi...
He shows and says numerous times that he came unprepared for this recording!
He says: Quote:
But still I am very far from understanding it's character. So let's hope that this DVD on this system will actually help you to understand the Berlin Defense as well.

than he says: Quote:
I almost didn't play any good game in the Berlin Defense.

About his game with Naiditsch: Quote:
I cannot avoid mentioning that before this I lost my previous three encounters against him as White and two of them were actually in the Berlin Defence. So I could more or less expect that Arcadij would not mind repeating his liked opening against me and also thinking to the fact that those two games I lost in a horrible way. I made some serious strategical mistakes right after the opening somewhere between move 12 or 15 and then early on move 20 I could almost resign. I had a strategically nearly lost position. So although it sounds strange for a white game, but my aim before this game was actually to set up an equal fight in the Berlin Defense as White. Not to do something really wrong and be lost almost immediately.

Conclusion: I like his honesty but this still doesn't justify his lack of effort. The whole presentation actually shows how good the Berlin is as an opening. As Shirov says: "It's really who feels the position better normally wins. No matter which colour he plays."
  

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Reply #34 - 03/15/12 at 21:45:54
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Is the 9...Ke8 line where Black usually ends up with the two bishops against dark-squared bishop and knight, the line that Kritz plays, or am I confusing lines?


Yes, this is the line Kritz recommends in his DVD (10.h3 Be7 11.g4 Nh4 12.Nxh4 Bxh4).
But in this book I see that they are about 10...h5, which amounts to a different type of positions.
  
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Reply #33 - 03/15/12 at 21:41:36
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Chess Stars are publishing a lot of books on high level openings recently: Grünfeld in April 2011, Petroff in October 2011, Réti in February 2012, now Berlin Defence in March 2012. I suppose I will be adding this book to be collection too.

Is the 9...Ke8 line where Black usually ends up with the two bishops against dark-squared bishop and knight, the line that Kritz plays, or am I confusing lines?
  

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Reply #32 - 03/15/12 at 20:33:18
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For the record, Shirov in his recent DVD recommends against the 10...h5 plan the continuation 11.Bf4 Be7 12.Rad1 Be6 13.Ng5 Rh6 14.g3.
However, he doesn't even mention Black's main choice here, 14...Bxg5 15.Bxg5 Rg6. Weird...  Angry
  
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Reply #31 - 03/15/12 at 18:48:26
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The book date is 26/03.
  

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Don't see the appeal of Berlin or Petroff below, say, 2600 though.


Because they are both extremely solid openings. I think there was a discussion in a thread that was diverted from the Kaufman Repertoire thread about openings and ratings. I still do not think there should be a rating minimum in order to play certain openings.
  

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Funny screen shot. Looks like he has been on an all-nighter. Fell asleep on the first morning bus, found himself in Hamburg. "Well, seeing as I am here..."

Kinda like his vids, seems like an allright fella. Could do with being better prepared though, he does give the impression of winging some of it, on the spot.

Don't see the appeal of Berlin or Petroff below, say, 2600 though.
  
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Reply #26 - 03/09/12 at 08:42:32
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No news so far.
  

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Any news on when this book will be published?
  

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An appetizer of Spanish torture:

Szabo,Krisztian (2538) - Lysyj,Igor (2656) [C67]
28th Cappelle-la-Grande Open Cappelle la Grande/France, 06.03.2012

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.0-0 Nxe4 5.Re1 Nd6 6.Nxe5 Nxe5 7.Rxe5+ Be7 8.Bf1 0-0 9.d4 Bf6 10.Re1 Re8 11.c3 Rxe1 12.Qxe1 Qe8 13.Qxe8+ Nxe8 14.Bf4 d5 15.Bd3 c6 16.Nd2 g6 17.Re1 Ng7 18.Be5 Bxe5 19.Rxe5 Kf8 20.f3 Bf5 21.Bf1 f6 22.Re1 g5 23.Kf2 h6 24.g3 Kf7 25.Be2 Ne6 26.Nf1 Bg6 27.Rd1 f5 28.Bd3 f4 29.Bxg6+ Kxg6 30.g4 Kf6 31.Nd2 b6 32.Nb3 Rd8 33.Nc1 c5 34.Ne2 c4 35.Rh1 h5 36.gxh5 Rh8 37.h4 Rxh5 38.hxg5+ Kg6 39.Rxh5 Kxh5 40.g6 Kxg6 41.Ng1 Ng5 42.Kg2 Kf5 43.Nh3 Nf7 44.Kf2 b5 45.a3 a5 46.Ke2 Nd8 47.Ke1 Ne6 48.Ke2 b4 49.axb4 axb4 50.Ke1 b3 51.Ng1 Kg5 52.Kf2 Nc7 53.Ke1 Nb5 54.Kd2 Nd6 55.Nh3+ Kf5 56.Ke1 Nf7 57.Ng1 Ng5 58.Kf2 Ne6 59.Ke1 Kg6 60.Kf1 Kh5 61.Kg2 Kh4 62.Ne2 Kg5 63.Kf2 Nf8 64.Ng1 Ng6 65.Ne2 Ne7 66.Ng1 Kg6 67.Nh3 Kf5 68.Ng1 Nc6 69.Ke1 Na7 70.Kd2 Nb5 71.Nh3 Nd6 72.Ke1 Ne8 73.Ng1 Nf6 74.Nh3 Nh5 75.Kf2 Ng7 76.Ke1 Ne6 77.Ng1 Kg6 78.Kf1 Kf6 79.Ke1 Kf5 80.Kf1 Nf8 81.Ke1 Nd7 82.Nh3 Nf6 83.Ke2 Ne8 84.Ke1 Nd6 85.Ng1 Nb5 86.Kd2 Nc7 87.Ke1 Kg5 88.Nh3+ Kh4 89.Nxf4 Kg3 90.Nh5+ Kxf3 91.Nf6 Ke3 92.Kd1 Kd3 93.Ng4 Ne6 94.Nf2+ Ke3 95.Ng4+ Kf3 96.Ne5+ Ke4 97.Ke2 Nf4+ 98.Kd1 Ke3 99.Ng4+ Kf3 100.Ne5+ Ke4 101.Ke1 Ke3 102.Ng4+ Kd3 103.Kd1 Ne6 104.Nf2+ Ke3 105.Ng4+ Kf3 106.Ne5+ Kf4 107.Kd2 Nc7 108.Ng6+ Ke4 109.Ne5 Na8 110.Nd7 Kf4 111.Ke2 Nc7 112.Kd2 Ne8 113.Ke2 Kf5 114.Ke3 Nd6 115.Nb6 Ke6 116.Kd2 Ne4+ 117.Kc1 Nf6 118.Na4 Nd7 119.Kd2 Kd6 120.Ke2 Kc6 121.Ke3 Kb5 122.Nc5 Nxc5 123.dxc5 Kxc5 124.Ke2 Kd6 125.Kd2 Ke6 126.Kd1 Kf5 127.Kd2 Kf4 128.Kd1 Ke3 129.Kc1 Ke2 130.Kb1 Kd2 131.Ka1 d4 132.cxd4 Kc2 0-1



To save people trouble.
White got his knight stuck on the edge.

Funny, reminded me of this article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2012/feb/01/top-five-regrets-of-the-dying

Long, long, shuffly endgames, rather than knights.
  
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Reply #23 - 03/08/12 at 15:44:11
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There is a new DVD by Shirov - Beating the Berlin Defence  Roll Eyes
  

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An appetizer of Spanish torture:

Szabo,Krisztian (2538) - Lysyj,Igor (2656) [C67]
28th Cappelle-la-Grande Open Cappelle la Grande/France, 06.03.2012

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.0-0 Nxe4 5.Re1 Nd6 6.Nxe5 Nxe5 7.Rxe5+ Be7 8.Bf1 0-0 9.d4 Bf6 10.Re1 Re8 11.c3 Rxe1 12.Qxe1 Qe8 13.Qxe8+ Nxe8 14.Bf4 d5 15.Bd3 c6 16.Nd2 g6 17.Re1 Ng7 18.Be5 Bxe5 19.Rxe5 Kf8 20.f3 Bf5 21.Bf1 f6 22.Re1 g5 23.Kf2 h6 24.g3 Kf7 25.Be2 Ne6 26.Nf1 Bg6 27.Rd1 f5 28.Bd3 f4 29.Bxg6+ Kxg6 30.g4 Kf6 31.Nd2 b6 32.Nb3 Rd8 33.Nc1 c5 34.Ne2 c4 35.Rh1 h5 36.gxh5 Rh8 37.h4 Rxh5 38.hxg5+ Kg6 39.Rxh5 Kxh5 40.g6 Kxg6 41.Ng1 Ng5 42.Kg2 Kf5 43.Nh3 Nf7 44.Kf2 b5 45.a3 a5 46.Ke2 Nd8 47.Ke1 Ne6 48.Ke2 b4 49.axb4 axb4 50.Ke1 b3 51.Ng1 Kg5 52.Kf2 Nc7 53.Ke1 Nb5 54.Kd2 Nd6 55.Nh3+ Kf5 56.Ke1 Nf7 57.Ng1 Ng5 58.Kf2 Ne6 59.Ke1 Kg6 60.Kf1 Kh5 61.Kg2 Kh4 62.Ne2 Kg5 63.Kf2 Nf8 64.Ng1 Ng6 65.Ne2 Ne7 66.Ng1 Kg6 67.Nh3 Kf5 68.Ng1 Nc6 69.Ke1 Na7 70.Kd2 Nb5 71.Nh3 Nd6 72.Ke1 Ne8 73.Ng1 Nf6 74.Nh3 Nh5 75.Kf2 Ng7 76.Ke1 Ne6 77.Ng1 Kg6 78.Kf1 Kf6 79.Ke1 Kf5 80.Kf1 Nf8 81.Ke1 Nd7 82.Nh3 Nf6 83.Ke2 Ne8 84.Ke1 Nd6 85.Ng1 Nb5 86.Kd2 Nc7 87.Ke1 Kg5 88.Nh3+ Kh4 89.Nxf4 Kg3 90.Nh5+ Kxf3 91.Nf6 Ke3 92.Kd1 Kd3 93.Ng4 Ne6 94.Nf2+ Ke3 95.Ng4+ Kf3 96.Ne5+ Ke4 97.Ke2 Nf4+ 98.Kd1 Ke3 99.Ng4+ Kf3 100.Ne5+ Ke4 101.Ke1 Ke3 102.Ng4+ Kd3 103.Kd1 Ne6 104.Nf2+ Ke3 105.Ng4+ Kf3 106.Ne5+ Kf4 107.Kd2 Nc7 108.Ng6+ Ke4 109.Ne5 Na8 110.Nd7 Kf4 111.Ke2 Nc7 112.Kd2 Ne8 113.Ke2 Kf5 114.Ke3 Nd6 115.Nb6 Ke6 116.Kd2 Ne4+ 117.Kc1 Nf6 118.Na4 Nd7 119.Kd2 Kd6 120.Ke2 Kc6 121.Ke3 Kb5 122.Nc5 Nxc5 123.dxc5 Kxc5 124.Ke2 Kd6 125.Kd2 Ke6 126.Kd1 Kf5 127.Kd2 Kf4 128.Kd1 Ke3 129.Kc1 Ke2 130.Kb1 Kd2 131.Ka1 d4 132.cxd4 Kc2 0-1

  

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Reply #21 - 03/03/12 at 22:39:59
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I still wonder when this book will be published. "March" is a 31-day time frame...
  

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I solved the problem now with compatibility view button (left side of F5 button on the screen). Web sites build for older browsers have better look and problems like menus, images or text outside site will be corrected.  Smiley
  

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It´s the update of the page on my pc (not the first time that happens). I see 29/02 (after F5 too) but when I try yesterday history of sites, March appears. Maybe I need to kill some cookies.  Undecided
  

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Where? The website still says "Expected in March".
  

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This morning I see again 29/02.
  

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Then when in March will the book be published?
  

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They change it few hours ago because it was 29/02 and they deserve a break because of Semko birthday. Happy Birthday!  Smiley
  

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The Chess-Stars website still states "Expected in March", but I do not know when in March...

http://chess-stars.com/forthcoming_books.html
  

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Where are the books Chess Stars?  Angry  I want to pick up my first book of 2012. Let´s see what printer is fast... Chess Stars or Gambit (V. Anand!!)?
  

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It is good to see Chess-Stars publish repertoire books first on the Petroff last year and now on the Berlin Defence. I think these two defences, in addition to the Najdorf, are extremely difficult for 1. e4 players to prove advantages against. I think it would have been more useful though to perhaps provide two lines to the main line endgame with 9. Nc3.
  

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Ametanoitos wrote on 02/22/12 at 13:58:49:
Didn't Kotronias dealed with this ...h5 idea in his book "GM Battle Manual" quite convinsigly? I mean that, in my opinion, he proved that White has at leat a small edge in these positions.


Ah, you know this is last week's "refutation".
Navara played the Kotronias plan against Karjakin in Tata Steel some one month ago, and lost. He followed the plan precisely: He exchanged a pair of rooks, kept the black squared bishop after black's ...h4, and... lost.
  
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Ametanoitos wrote on 02/22/12 at 13:58:49:
Didn't Kotronias dealed with this ...h5 idea in his book "GM Battle Manual" quite convinsigly? I mean that, in my opinion, he proved that White has at leat a small edge in these positions.


I'd forgotten about the relevant chapter in that book, thanks for reminding me! Now I will be able to win with both colours in the Berlin Wall, using Kotronias for White and Cox for Black.  Grin

I intend to compare where the two books deviate but obviously it will take some time.

  

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Didn't Kotronias dealed with this ...h5 idea in his book "GM Battle Manual" quite convinsigly? I mean that, in my opinion, he proved that White has at leat a small edge in these positions.
  
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PANFR wrote on 02/22/12 at 11:52:52:
TN wrote on 02/22/12 at 11:04:26:
True, but I don't think 9...Ne7 and 9...h6 should be objectively worse than 9...Ke8.


Of course they aren't. The Berlin Ball endgame has a multitude of sound, healthy approaches. Cox sort-of advocated 9...Ne7, although he touched the other approaches as well.
Sometimes 9...h6 transposes to Ke8 lines, but the Lysyi book (which I do not have) focuses on ...h5 lines (judging from the contents pdf).


Yeah, there are some transpositional options in the Berlin Wall, though even without them the lines can be a bit confusing to navigate with either colour. I also have Cox's Berlin Wall book which does a great job of organising all the key opening, middlegame and endgame information. Naturally I'll see how I go using Cox's ideas before I make a final decision on whether to buy this book.

  

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True, but I don't think 9...Ne7 and 9...h6 should be objectively worse than 9...Ke8.


Of course they aren't. The Berlin Ball endgame has a multitude of sound, healthy approaches. Cox sort-of advocated 9...Ne7, although he touched the other approaches as well.
Sometimes 9...h6 transposes to Ke8 lines, but the Lysyi book (which I do not have) focuses on ...h5 lines (judging from the contents pdf).
  
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True, but I don't think 9...Ne7 and 9...h6 should be objectively worse than 9...Ke8.
  

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Yes, 9...Ke8 is sort-of-mainline. At least Aronian has barely tried any other move here the last couple of years.
  
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I see the book is with the 9...Ke8 variation. Is this the most popular? It seems quite solid.
  

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The Berlin Defence is certainly more topical than the Arkhangelsk. And I was waiting for a good repertoire book on the Berlin. The last book I remember was the Quality Chess book by John Cox.



The only book.

bragesjo wrote on 02/21/12 at 09:41:28:
Speaking of Berlin, I got to think of the Kasparov-Kramnik match. I bought a swedish book that covered that match and it was to the most boring wch match I have ever seen!


To each their own, I thought it was the most interesting. The last two Anand matches have been quite boring to me.
  
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Speaking of Berlin, I got to think of the Kasparov-Kramnik match. I bought a swedish book that covered that match and it was to the most boring wch match I have ever seen!
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The Berlin Defence is certainly more topical than the Arkhangelsk. And I was waiting for a good repertoire book on the Berlin. The last book I remember was the Quality Chess book by John Cox.
  

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New year is starting with very good news! A Chess Stars book by Igor Lysyj and Roman Ovetchkin - "The Berlin Defence"
http://www.chess-stars.com/graphics/eshop/books_special/contents_Berlin.pdf

It seems they follow the traditional system (Quick repertoire, Step by step and Complete Games) of Chess Stars repertoire books, altough I prefer the latest and improved system (in my view) used by Delchev in Safest Grunfeld!? (Main ideas) and wish future books will appear all in this way, but it seems not the case by now.  Cry
Anyway, I look forward to these new books.  Smiley
Any possibility of a Chess Stars book on the Ruy Lopez Archangel? The latest one by John Emms is a bit outdated. (another idea is for John Emms to give us a second edition of his Archangel book but this time maybe on the new series "Move by Move!"  Roll Eyes
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