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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #51 - 12/05/12 at 03:07:14
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 12/01/12 at 14:09:29:
Vass wrote on 12/01/12 at 14:06:31:
H3 is better, faster...and so on..

OK, thanks. Smiley



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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #50 - 12/01/12 at 14:09:29
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Vass wrote on 12/01/12 at 14:06:31:
H3 is better, faster...and so on..

OK, thanks. Smiley
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #49 - 12/01/12 at 14:06:31
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 12/01/12 at 12:14:50:
How does Deep Hiarcs 14 rate against Houdini 3?

You can see the rating lists from the most respectable testing groups here:
http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/
http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/
http://inwoba.de/index.html

...and a little private blitz test under the following (hardware/software/settings) conditions:

Intel Core i7-3930K 3.20Ghz @ 4.77 GHz 16.0 GB RAM
Windows 7 Professional SP 1
Fritz Benchmark:
Speed: 42.96
KNS: 20619
GUI: CB-Fritz 13
Book: Perfect 2012 - 7 moves
Hash:128
GRT-RB-TB: ON
Ponder: OFF
Blitz 5m 0

...finished as listed here:
1   Houdini 3 Pro x64    +308  +75/=21/-4 85.50%   85.5/100
2   Deep HIARCS 14      -308  +4/=21/-75 14.50%   14.5/100

...and the games can be downloaded from:
http://www.mediafire.com/?b9nimawf8nigrgz

The results speak for themselves.. H3 is better, faster...and so on.. As for the analysis purpose (and here we go again) I think the margin is not such wide.. Almost every high level engine can do a proper analysis with a little help of the device that is controlling the mouse buttons..  Wink
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #48 - 12/01/12 at 12:14:50
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How does Deep Hiarcs 14 rate against Houdini 3?
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #47 - 09/28/12 at 06:43:13
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Robert Houdart:
"The 3 matches have now finished.

Houdini 3 - Komodo 5 match: +43 -19 =58
72-48 (+68 Elo ± 42 Elo).

Houdini 3 - Stockfish 2.3.1 match: +44 -16 =60
74-46 (+82 Elo ± 42 Elo).

Houdini 3 - Houdini 2.0c match: +48 -15 =57
76.5-43.5 (+94 Elo ± 42 Elo).

Download All the Games (single zip containing the 3 matches) at: http://www.cruxis.com/download/Houdini3_LongTC_Matches.zip

Over-all result: Houdini 3 scored 61.8% (+81 Elo ± 24 Elo) against the average of Houdini 2.0c, Komodo 5 and Stockfish 2.3.1.
The individual match results have very large confidence intervals, please consider these when discussing results."

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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #46 - 09/27/12 at 20:34:21
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Another pre-release test at 90mins time control of Houdini 3, made by the author, Robert Houdart:
"The second match just finished.
Final result of the Houdini 3 - Stockfish 2.3.1 match: +44 -16 =60
74-46 (+82 Elo ± 42 Elo).
Download Games at http://www.cruxis.com/download/Houdini3_Stockfish231_90min.zip "
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More info at: http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=25731;pg=3

That's it!  Cool
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #45 - 09/26/12 at 13:46:40
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tony37 wrote on 09/26/12 at 13:08:45:
Vass wrote on 09/26/12 at 08:53:59:
Houdini 3
Robert Houdart:
"The engine development is completely finished, but there's still a lot of work in packaging and documentation (e.g. write the User's Guide). Hopefully around October 10.
Some info about it: http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45303&start=10

Mr Houdart ran some tests on long time controls (90 min+30 sec/move starting from 60 Noomen suite positions, one core each)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=25731
Very impressive results:
Final result of the Houdini 3 - Houdini 2.0c match: +48 -15 =57
You can download all of the games from http://www.cruxis.com/download/Houdini3_Houdini20c_90min.zip

Well, obviously that's the engine for my future analysis!  Wink
I'll post some of these games here - hope you don't mind!

I wonder if they've fixed the queen vs. minor pieces problem where Houdini typically overrates the side with the queen (I have version 1.5 so I don't know if this was fixed in version 2 already)

It was fixed in 2.0 version.  Smiley
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #44 - 09/26/12 at 13:08:45
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Vass wrote on 09/26/12 at 08:53:59:
Houdini 3
Robert Houdart:
"The engine development is completely finished, but there's still a lot of work in packaging and documentation (e.g. write the User's Guide). Hopefully around October 10.
Some info about it: http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45303&start=10

Mr Houdart ran some tests on long time controls (90 min+30 sec/move starting from 60 Noomen suite positions, one core each)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=25731
Very impressive results:
Final result of the Houdini 3 - Houdini 2.0c match: +48 -15 =57
You can download all of the games from http://www.cruxis.com/download/Houdini3_Houdini20c_90min.zip

Well, obviously that's the engine for my future analysis!  Wink
I'll post some of these games here - hope you don't mind!

I wonder if they've fixed the queen vs. minor pieces problem where Houdini typically overrates the side with the queen (I have version 1.5 so I don't know if this was fixed in version 2 already)
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #43 - 09/26/12 at 09:45:00
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Enough with it!

I just don't know what to say..

I've seen many computer games, but never seen such a complete control all over the board. Running on one core each and achieving 19-24 plys depth is obviously not enough for general conclusions, but still..
H3 lost some games, too.. But most of them because of some inferior book moves that were given to it. Of course, H2.0c played under the same conditions and was fed by some inferior book moves, too..
But, the results are very, very impressive!  Shocked
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #42 - 09/26/12 at 09:35:18
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And now Queen's Indian...with both colours:



  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #41 - 09/26/12 at 09:31:00
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How to play Nimzo indian?
Let's see:



  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #40 - 09/26/12 at 09:16:43
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IsaVulpes wrote on 09/26/12 at 09:11:09:
Mildly related, is there a commonly seen as "best" GUI? So far I've always just loaded engines in whatever Fritz version I happened to own, but I always thought of getting a dedicated, better GUI that comes without an Engine on its own.
Are you guys using anything specific?

E: Is this even halfway the right place or should I open a new thread for this or something

It depends on what you particularly want from the GUI.
Yes, you have to open a new thread here...and tell us what you want.  Wink
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #39 - 09/26/12 at 09:13:11
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Some say Gruenfeld is one of the best openings for black..
Mhmm, maybe...but not for H3!



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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #38 - 09/26/12 at 09:11:09
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Mildly related, is there a commonly seen as "best" GUI? So far I've always just loaded engines in whatever Fritz version I happened to own, but I always thought of getting a dedicated, better GUI that comes without an Engine on its own.
Are you guys using anything specific?

E: Is this even halfway the right place or should I open a new thread for this or something
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #37 - 09/26/12 at 09:10:00
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Let's go to the classic!
Even Breyer is not safe anymore..  Cry

  
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