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Reply #58 - 01/08/13 at 22:20:24
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So, if I were to choose only one engine, I take it that you would recommend Houdini 3. And if I have a choice of a second one, which would it be, Rybka 4? Something else? Deep Hiarcs?
  
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Reply #57 - 12/21/12 at 15:40:23
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By the way, one big improvement in Houdini 3 is the so-called "tactical mode".
What it means?
It means that one can prepare Houdini 3 for highly tactical positions just by checking the option "tactical mode" in the engine parameters menu before doing an analysis.
According to some testers, it solves tactical studies up to 30 per cents better (and faster) than the Houdini 3 in classical mode. These results rank the engine among the best ones in tactics.
I often try this option in my correspondence chess tries. And I can say I'm very impressed by the results, too..  Wink
Meanwhile, some testers ran matches between Houdini 3 and Houdini 3 "tactical mode". What is amazing is that Houdini 3 "tactical mode" is just a bit weaker in playing strength. Usually, engines don't play very well in tactical mode, because they're somehow "twisted" in parameters. Not Houdini 3 "tactical mode" though. Still it can win a match against any of the best engines available.  Cheesy
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #56 - 12/21/12 at 12:47:53
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Michael Ayton wrote on 12/20/12 at 14:30:31:
That's impressive! My humble Houdini 1a takes fully 5.75 seconds!

Why don't you download the free 1.5a, it's pretty good?
  
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Reply #55 - 12/20/12 at 14:30:31
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That's impressive! My humble Houdini 1a takes fully 5.75 seconds!
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #54 - 12/20/12 at 13:26:48
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In Glenn's December update (on the Dutch) he originally said that 12...d5 might be a good solution to Black's problems in the 7...Qe8 8 Re1 Leningrad:

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Apparently he was using Rybka4, which likes Black's position. However, a subscriber pointed out that White has almost a forced win so Glenn had to quickly change his analysis!
Indeed, when I checked with Houdini3 it gives 13 Rxe7 c6 14 Rxg7+ as winning in less than a second!
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #53 - 12/17/12 at 22:21:52
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 12/17/12 at 21:20:34:
I just looked at a position I had already analysed in my new book (DW-Spanish) with Houdini 3, and to my surprise it didn't find the draw that Houdini 1.5 had discovered! Roll Eyes


I'm not surprised at all..
Maybe, as a correspondence chess player, I'm addicted too much to my beloved engine ...but, if Houdini 1.5a is as faster as Houdini 3 and can reach the same ply's depth for the same amount of time...I would never even try to use the new toy called Houdini 3.  Wink
The problem is that a good analysis is taking time, too much time.. One too many sleepless nights..
And I have my own conclusions I can share. For example, I never believe Houdini 3's evaluation in a complex position if not reached at least 27-28th ply's depth.. While 1.5a version's evaluation on 26th ply's depth is almost definitive. The only problem I find in Houdini 1.5a is that its style of play is not as dynamic as Houdini 3's one. Hence the difference in ELO points..  Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #52 - 12/17/12 at 21:20:34
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I just looked at a position I had already analysed in my new book (DW-Spanish) with Houdini 3, and to my surprise it didn't find the draw that Houdini 1.5 had discovered! Roll Eyes
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #51 - 12/05/12 at 03:07:14
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 12/01/12 at 14:09:29:
Vass wrote on 12/01/12 at 14:06:31:
H3 is better, faster...and so on..

OK, thanks. Smiley



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Reply #50 - 12/01/12 at 14:09:29
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Vass wrote on 12/01/12 at 14:06:31:
H3 is better, faster...and so on..

OK, thanks. Smiley
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #49 - 12/01/12 at 14:06:31
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 12/01/12 at 12:14:50:
How does Deep Hiarcs 14 rate against Houdini 3?

You can see the rating lists from the most respectable testing groups here:
http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/
http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/
http://inwoba.de/index.html

...and a little private blitz test under the following (hardware/software/settings) conditions:

Intel Core i7-3930K 3.20Ghz @ 4.77 GHz 16.0 GB RAM
Windows 7 Professional SP 1
Fritz Benchmark:
Speed: 42.96
KNS: 20619
GUI: CB-Fritz 13
Book: Perfect 2012 - 7 moves
Hash:128
GRT-RB-TB: ON
Ponder: OFF
Blitz 5m 0

...finished as listed here:
1   Houdini 3 Pro x64    +308  +75/=21/-4 85.50%   85.5/100
2   Deep HIARCS 14      -308  +4/=21/-75 14.50%   14.5/100

...and the games can be downloaded from:
http://www.mediafire.com/?b9nimawf8nigrgz

The results speak for themselves.. H3 is better, faster...and so on.. As for the analysis purpose (and here we go again) I think the margin is not such wide.. Almost every high level engine can do a proper analysis with a little help of the device that is controlling the mouse buttons..  Wink
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #48 - 12/01/12 at 12:14:50
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How does Deep Hiarcs 14 rate against Houdini 3?
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #47 - 09/28/12 at 06:43:13
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Robert Houdart:
"The 3 matches have now finished.

Houdini 3 - Komodo 5 match: +43 -19 =58
72-48 (+68 Elo ± 42 Elo).

Houdini 3 - Stockfish 2.3.1 match: +44 -16 =60
74-46 (+82 Elo ± 42 Elo).

Houdini 3 - Houdini 2.0c match: +48 -15 =57
76.5-43.5 (+94 Elo ± 42 Elo).

Download All the Games (single zip containing the 3 matches) at: http://www.cruxis.com/download/Houdini3_LongTC_Matches.zip

Over-all result: Houdini 3 scored 61.8% (+81 Elo ± 24 Elo) against the average of Houdini 2.0c, Komodo 5 and Stockfish 2.3.1.
The individual match results have very large confidence intervals, please consider these when discussing results."

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Reply #46 - 09/27/12 at 20:34:21
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Another pre-release test at 90mins time control of Houdini 3, made by the author, Robert Houdart:
"The second match just finished.
Final result of the Houdini 3 - Stockfish 2.3.1 match: +44 -16 =60
74-46 (+82 Elo ± 42 Elo).
Download Games at http://www.cruxis.com/download/Houdini3_Stockfish231_90min.zip "
Cheesy
More info at: http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=25731;pg=3

That's it!  Cool
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #45 - 09/26/12 at 13:46:40
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tony37 wrote on 09/26/12 at 13:08:45:
Vass wrote on 09/26/12 at 08:53:59:

Houdini 3
Robert Houdart:
"The engine development is completely finished, but there's still a lot of work in packaging and documentation (e.g. write the User's Guide). Hopefully around October 10.
Some info about it: http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45303&start=10

Mr Houdart ran some tests on long time controls (90 min+30 sec/move starting from 60 Noomen suite positions, one core each)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=25731
Very impressive results:
Final result of the Houdini 3 - Houdini 2.0c match: +48 -15 =57
You can download all of the games from http://www.cruxis.com/download/Houdini3_Houdini20c_90min.zip

Well, obviously that's the engine for my future analysis!  Wink
I'll post some of these games here - hope you don't mind!

I wonder if they've fixed the queen vs. minor pieces problem where Houdini typically overrates the side with the queen (I have version 1.5 so I don't know if this was fixed in version 2 already)

It was fixed in 2.0 version.  Smiley
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #44 - 09/26/12 at 13:08:45
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Vass wrote on 09/26/12 at 08:53:59:

Houdini 3
Robert Houdart:
"The engine development is completely finished, but there's still a lot of work in packaging and documentation (e.g. write the User's Guide). Hopefully around October 10.
Some info about it: http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45303&start=10

Mr Houdart ran some tests on long time controls (90 min+30 sec/move starting from 60 Noomen suite positions, one core each)
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=25731
Very impressive results:
Final result of the Houdini 3 - Houdini 2.0c match: +48 -15 =57
You can download all of the games from http://www.cruxis.com/download/Houdini3_Houdini20c_90min.zip

Well, obviously that's the engine for my future analysis!  Wink
I'll post some of these games here - hope you don't mind!

I wonder if they've fixed the queen vs. minor pieces problem where Houdini typically overrates the side with the queen (I have version 1.5 so I don't know if this was fixed in version 2 already)
  
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