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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #81 - 06/10/14 at 13:04:15
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Vass wrote on 06/09/14 at 22:18:26:
Well, responding to your first question:
Yes, 1.Stockfish; 2-3 Komodo/Houdini (or Houdini/Komodo depending on the time control).
For 5-10 minutes on the key positions and 30sec-1min for the rest...you can use Houdini. I think Stockfish & Komodo are better than Houdini when using more than 30sec-1min for a position. (Stockfish is better than Houdini even on blitz time controls, but this is all because of its fast scaling and pruning.)


Thanks for the reply. The program I am using allows me to do multiple analysis (so I am going to go into 5-10 minutes for leafnodes and + - a minute for the rest).

If you had to choose, which one is it for the long analysis? I am looking for the most accurate evaluations. Komodo or Stockfish? Tongue Cheesy

Sorry, I know I am pushing quite a bit but anyway.

P.S. If I am going through my repertoire/game with an engine in the background, would you suggest Stockfish?


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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #80 - 06/09/14 at 22:18:26
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Well, responding to your first question:
Yes, 1.Stockfish; 2-3 Komodo/Houdini (or Houdini/Komodo depending on the time control).
For 5-10 minutes on the key positions and 30sec-1min for the rest...you can use Houdini. I think Stockfish & Komodo are better than Houdini when using more than 30sec-1min for a position. (Stockfish is better than Houdini even on blitz time controls, but this is all because of its fast scaling and pruning.)
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #79 - 06/09/14 at 12:12:58
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Hi there.

So it seems that Stockfish 5 is the strongest playing engine. Followed by Houdini and then Komodo. Am I right?

The question is which to use for analysis and to analyse my repertoire. Larry Kaufman (Komodo developer) says that Komodo is best for long-term analysis and more positionally focused (with more time spent on evaluations). Houdini is apparently better when it comes to blitz and quick tactics. And Stockfish, well, I don't know.

Basically I don't know which one to use to analyse my repertoire. The engine will spend around 5-10 minutes on the key positions each and maybe 30 seconds - 1 minute for the rest (I am using Chess Position Trainer 5, CPT, by the way).

So basically, I don't know which to use. Should I use a combination, and if so, which one should take preference?

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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #78 - 06/04/14 at 13:57:06
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A couple of days ago Stockfish 5 was released.
A free chess engine which is definitely better than the last versions of Houdini, Komodo and alike.. Several independent tests at different time controls prove it. And what is more, this engine won the last TCEC - the unofficial world chess engines' championship on 190' + 30" time control.
http://stockfishchess.org/
As for the best analysis program, well...I don't know.  Wink
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #77 - 12/14/13 at 20:24:15
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tony37 wrote on 12/14/13 at 18:40:16:
I think the real curse is that there will be even more draws at the top level and that just isn't very interesting

I'm not sure about it.
Three different almost equal in strength engines can mess things up.
Besides, draws at the top correspondence chess level happen because top players do not want to take a big risk. They usually play some checked lines in the well known openings - such as Sicilian Najdorf, Ruy Lopez or Semi-Slav, Catalan and alike. In fact, no one wants to play King's Indian, for example, when meeting another top player.  Roll Eyes
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #76 - 12/14/13 at 18:40:16
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I think the real curse is that there will be even more draws at the top level and that just isn't very interesting
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #75 - 12/12/13 at 19:33:24
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brabo wrote on 12/12/13 at 19:26:08:
Vass wrote on 12/12/13 at 13:57:36:
Several tests recently show that Houdini 4 has some big competitors for the title "Best Analysis Program" in the face of its rivals: last versions of Komodo and Stockfish. While at short time control matches Houdini 4 keeps scaling better and wins over the last mentioned, they seem to prevail in long time control matches.
A true heaven for correspondence chess players! They can use several engines depending on the position they analyse and can choose between three different evaluations in order to choose the best move.  Wink

At the same time it is also a curse. Now you have to make a choice which is for the operator (in most cases 1000 or more points weaker than the engines) often just guessing.

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it is still allowed to actually analyse these moves
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #74 - 12/12/13 at 19:26:08
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Vass wrote on 12/12/13 at 13:57:36:
Several tests recently show that Houdini 4 has some big competitors for the title "Best Analysis Program" in the face of its rivals: last versions of Komodo and Stockfish. While at short time control matches Houdini 4 keeps scaling better and wins over the last mentioned, they seem to prevail in long time control matches.
A true heaven for correspondence chess players! They can use several engines depending on the position they analyse and can choose between three different evaluations in order to choose the best move.  Wink

At the same time it is also a curse. Now you have to make a choice which is for the operator (in most cases 1000 or more points weaker than the engines) often just guessing.

Just one other remark about to choose between the different evaluations. It is well possible that the 3 engines show different evaluations but still show the same move and even recommended first line (at least a number of moves). I want to say that different evaluations don't always mean different moves.
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #73 - 12/12/13 at 15:19:12
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Vass wrote on 12/12/13 at 13:57:36:
Several tests recently show that Houdini 4 has some big competitors for the title "Best Analysis Program" in the face of its rivals: last versions of Komodo and Stockfish. While at short time control matches Houdini 4 keeps scaling better and wins over the last mentioned, they seem to prevail in long time control matches.
A true heaven for correspondence chess players! They can use several engines depending on the position they analyse and can choose between three different evaluations in order to choose the best move.  Wink

Playing correspondence myself I still have fun using my own engine (in ancient times called "brain"), too.
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #72 - 12/12/13 at 13:57:36
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Several tests recently show that Houdini 4 has some big competitors for the title "Best Analysis Program" in the face of its rivals: last versions of Komodo and Stockfish. While at short time control matches Houdini 4 keeps scaling better and wins over the last mentioned, they seem to prevail in long time control matches.
A true heaven for correspondence chess players! They can use several engines depending on the position they analyse and can choose between three different evaluations in order to choose the best move.  Wink
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #71 - 09/01/13 at 14:39:38
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Shadow wrote on 09/01/13 at 13:25:54:
It seems to me chess engines spit out the same moves as all the others. ...


Well, it depends on the position you analyse.  Roll Eyes

Shadow wrote on 09/01/13 at 13:25:54:
... Are there any good engines that give different analysis possibilities or standout by giving unique choices?


The problem is that they all are calculators. We don't have to forget that. And the main things that usually differ in chess engines are the speed and the evaluation function. The faster the better...as we all know, while the evaluation function makes the big difference between them. So among the best ones, Houdini, Stockfish, Komodo and Rybka have completely different evaluation algorithms. Well enough...to not complain, I think.  Wink
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #70 - 09/01/13 at 13:25:54
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It seems to me chess engines spit out the same moves as all the others. Are there any good engines that give different analysis possibilities or standout by giving unique choices?
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #69 - 08/09/13 at 08:26:20
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On the mobile platform, I think SmallFish (Stockfish) is your best friend.
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #68 - 06/26/13 at 02:55:23
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Still Komodo CCT is strongest and better than Komodo 5.1 at single core. It is too poor at tactics. hence cannot be recommended as a general Analysis tool. Still Houdini 3 Tactical is best. But as 3rd opinion is still good.
  
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Re: The best analysis program?
Reply #67 - 06/17/13 at 21:22:24
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A brand new candidate for the best analysis engine:

Komodo 5.1 multi-processor (commercial) - at last  Grin
Released 17 of June, 2013
http://komodochess.com/komodo51mp-32a

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