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Re: Non-critical KID line for White?
Reply #9 - 02/17/12 at 13:54:44
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Three other lines are the Kramer, Smyslov and Bf4 lines. The Kramer is completely harmless if Black knows a tiny bit of theory, the Smyslov is a good choice if you just want a playable, quiet middlegame, and the Bf4 lines are very tricky in my opinion, unless Black knows the ...Nbd7/...b6/...Bb7 antidote.
  
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Re: Non-critical KID line for White?
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I think the Petrosian variation and Exchange variation are both fine in terms of the criteria OP has, but these options would be among the first a KID-player would know. Therefore, I maybe would not choose those as a main weapon to start with. On the other hand, as mentioned, the Petrosian give a KID-flavor. The Exchange is tougher for White to play well, I think.
  
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Reply #7 - 02/17/12 at 02:29:56
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Exchange variation.
  
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Re: Non-critical KID line for White?
Reply #6 - 02/17/12 at 02:03:16
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Both the regular Sämisch and the Fianchetto give Black a very wide choice - the latter also reduces White's options against the Grünfeld. Some numbers:

Fianchetto System: over 17 000 games (not counting the Grünfeld)
Averbach: over 10 000 games.
Petrosian: over 8 000 games.
Gligoric: over 7 000 games.
Seirawan system (already played by Cochrane btw): less than 3 000 games.
Sämisch with 6.Nge2: about 2 000 games (not counting transpositions).

The latter two limit White's choice against the Benoni's (more than 3 000 and less than 1 000 games respectively), but White can consider them as another shortcut as well.
  
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Re: Non-critical KID line for White?
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My main recommendation would be the Gligoric, but the Samisch is another appropriate option that hasn't been mentioned. The Fianchetto Variation comes under E60-E69, so maybe the OP rejected this option because it would require learning the Fianchetto Grunfeld.
  
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Re: Non-critical KID line for White?
Reply #4 - 02/16/12 at 22:46:43
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How about the Fianchetto Variation? It is not as theoretical as the Mar Del Plata, and is highly unpleasant for many King's Indian players since the dynamism associated with the kingside attack is usually not present, and the game is mostly positional.
  
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Re: Non-critical KID line for White?
Reply #3 - 02/16/12 at 22:13:19
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How about the Seirawan system with 5.Bd3/6.Nge2? Black typically responds with either an ..e5-based system or a Benoni transposition (a typical situation for many KID lines). In the ...e5 lines Black will often go for a kingside attack, but it appears less dangerous here than in the Classical. For one thing, White often gets to block with f2-f4.

I also like the Petrosian 7.d5 and Gligoric 7.Be3 suggestions. Surely there is a lot of theory out there, but Black players may not know them as well, and it's not as crucial for White to know it all as in the Classical or the 4 Pawns.
  
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Re: Non-critical KID line for White?
Reply #2 - 02/16/12 at 21:15:18
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Something with a typical KID-flavour but low on theory is probably difficult to find.

The Averbakh is out in my opinion because it can lead to a wide variety of pawn structures which makes it difficult to master.

If you prefer positional manouvering I´d suggest the Petrosian-Variation: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2 e5 7.d5.

This leads to the typical KID pawn structure and the necessary theoretical knowledge is comparably low to other lines. Kramnik had some success with it before he switched to the Bayonett.

Another good choice might be the Gligoric 7.Be3.


  
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Re: Non-critical KID line for White?
Reply #1 - 02/16/12 at 19:27:39
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Zwischenzugzwang wrote on 02/16/12 at 18:45:31:
Hello everybody!

I'll soon participate in my first serious tournament for quite some time. As I've switched from 1.e4 to 1.d4 recently but haven't completed my repertoire yet, I'd like to ask if somebody could suggest a non-critical line for White in the King's Indian ([E70] onward) which
- has some KI "flavour" (so that it helps to acquire "grown up theory" later),
- gives White reasonable play, and
- is not too theoretical.

Of course, I don't expect this system to give White a theoretical advantage.

Thanks for your advice!

Best regards,

Zwischenzugzwang


How about the Averbakh (d4, c4, Nc3, e4, Be2, Bg5)? It has the advantage of preventing Black from mechanically pursuing his King-side attack, thus enabling White to play without the danger of being overrun in the early stages. It's unfashionable rather than untheoretical, to be honest: there's plenty of theory from 20-odd years ago, but a lot of that theory is in the old main line where Black chases the B back to f4 and sacs the pawn on d6, and there's no need for you to enter that line anyway (you can retreat to e3 instead). I've punted it a few times with great success. It's a sound variation but so out of fashion that many players with Black simply haven't bothered to learn an effective antidote.

Glenn Flear's written a few chapters on the variation in Dangerous Weapons: The KI. There's enough in there to get you up and running if you fancy giving it a try.
  
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Non-critical KID line for White?
02/16/12 at 18:45:31
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Hello everybody!

I'll soon participate in my first serious tournament for quite some time. As I've switched from 1.e4 to 1.d4 recently but haven't completed my repertoire yet, I'd like to ask if somebody could suggest a non-critical line for White in the King's Indian ([E70] onward) which
- has some KI "flavour" (so that it helps to acquire "grown up theory" later),
- gives White reasonable play, and
- is not too theoretical.

Of course, I don't expect this system to give White a theoretical advantage.

Thanks for your advice!

Best regards,

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