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Reply #10 - 02/28/12 at 02:01:36
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I am a university lecturer and I agree that teaching at tertiary level is different from primary and different yet again from secondary/high school level.

Issues of discipline is real in certain schools especially at high school level.

But then even at tertiary level, "discipline" can be a problem. What are you suppose to do when students openly text on their phone right in front of you in class?

For a rant on test-teaching (Markovich's post), see Elizabeth Vicary's blog (http://lizzyknowsall.blogspot.com.au/) and this blogpost in particular: http://lizzyknowsall.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/teacher-data-reports.html

A friend of mine from IT recently began teacher training and is just about finished and will begin teaching this year. But mind, he is only teaching at primary level.

BTW, EricTheRed, come over to Australia, we need more science teachers!!!
  

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Reply #9 - 02/27/12 at 17:46:43
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Thank you all for the input, even if it seems universally negative regarding the current state of education.   

I did a little research, and it looks as though in Colorado I can apply for an Alternative Teaching License and begin teaching science right away, becoming licensed while teaching.  I suppose that's an option for myself; I could try teaching for one year through the alternative licensure program and see how it goes.
  
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Reply #8 - 02/25/12 at 17:26:00
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trw wrote on 02/25/12 at 15:57:24:
Her experience was similar to mine.

It's not that different in The Netherlands, which was one important reason to emigrate. I have promised myself never to teach again in my native country.

Markovich wrote on 02/25/12 at 15:08:38:
a belief that the urban kids are the ones most in need of help.

It's not my intention at all to criticize your wife's choice, but I can think of a few more kids who qualify in this respect. There is a secondary school in Albina, Suriname, without qualified teachers in maths and physics at all. There are probably several other English speaking areas besides the American cities for which this is true.
So if ErictheRed gets discouraged it might be an idea to look abroad, like I did.
  

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Reply #7 - 02/25/12 at 16:14:45
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Oh I completely agree about the kids, but personally I have met very few teachers, particularly at the elementary level whete my wife taught, who weren't dedicated to the kids. 

The bottom line though is that we can't expect people to teach, which is a hard job, out of the sheer goodness of their hearts. We have to give them the facilities, support, respect and pay that they and the children to be educated deserve. And we should have the good sense to trust their judgment about how to teach, and stop forcing them into this test-teaching nonsense, which makes a mockery of education. We also need to recognize that not even the best teaching can remedy the educational consequences of so much poverty and social dysfunction in this country. But I've said enough, so I don't think I'll rejoin even if someone posts in disagreement.
  

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Reply #6 - 02/25/12 at 15:57:24
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Markovich wrote on 02/25/12 at 15:08:38:
ErictheRed wrote on 02/23/12 at 21:21:51:
Any American teachers here?  I'm thinking of quitting engineering (too antisocial, dry, technical, etc) and becoming a high school science teacher.  Of course my salary will be cut in half Sad.  Any advice, words of wisdom, etc?  I'm 33 years old, currently in Colorado, feeling very unfulfilled with my job.  I took a Strong Interest Inventory and MBTI (psychological tests to guage your interests and personality type, and recommend careers for you), and 4 of the top 10 recommended careers were elementary school teacher, high school teacher, college professor, and college instructor!  I think they might be trying to tell me something...


I'm not a teacher mysekf, but my wife just retired from 31 years of teaching, and a great many of our friends and acqaintances are teachers. My wife very much enjoyed the teaching, but as time passed, less and less of her time could be devoted to real teaching and more and more was taken up by test-teaching, test-preparing and test-administering. There was no curriculum in the best sense, just a set of standards listing what students would be expected to know ontests. This was concomitant with parents and students less and less respectful of teachers, even reaching the point of open contempt - which is something rather shocking to encounter in another adult.

It is all the fruit of the war on public education that has been in progress in this country for many years. When the public schools are condemned by the country's leaders every day in the press and the teachers are blamed for the ecucational consequences of social injustice and rampant poverty, why should it surprise that so many parents have contempt for teachers?

My wife was an excellent teacher, with a Master's degree and a National Board Certification - this latter placing her among the educational elite - and she repeatedly received bonuses for the performace of her students on tests. She worked inthe urban public schools out of a frankly political dedication to the public education and a belief that the urban kids are the ones most in need of help. But she ended up wishing that she had gone into something besides education, not because she lost her love of children or of teaching, but because teaching has become more or less impossible in this country. She advises the young people she meets to be very careful about going into education.

The very latest thing has been the attack on teachers'      pensions, which has deprived many currently employed teachers of their promised retirement benefits and left them with the need to work many more years than the expected. Fortunately my eife retired just soon enough to escape that.

Many people in this country imagine that teachers as a group are lazy and have easy jobs. The political enemies of the public education exploit this.

Personally in light of all of this, I would be very careful before I signed up to be a teacher.


Her experience was similar to mine. I hated it for that reason. Even worse, I was encountering teachers that were so jaded by the politics that they didn't even care about the teaching anymore. I typically found a number of totally incompetent camps that were all too ready to divide blame. You had the parents, the teachers, the government and the administrators. All the camps had ready set in motion ways to blame other parties for what was effectively the failing of these groups to work together. Whats wrong with this picture? No where in here is there a mention of THE KIDS you are supposed to be teaching.
  
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Reply #5 - 02/25/12 at 15:08:38
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ErictheRed wrote on 02/23/12 at 21:21:51:
Any American teachers here?  I'm thinking of quitting engineering (too antisocial, dry, technical, etc) and becoming a high school science teacher.  Of course my salary will be cut in half Sad.  Any advice, words of wisdom, etc?  I'm 33 years old, currently in Colorado, feeling very unfulfilled with my job.  I took a Strong Interest Inventory and MBTI (psychological tests to guage your interests and personality type, and recommend careers for you), and 4 of the top 10 recommended careers were elementary school teacher, high school teacher, college professor, and college instructor!  I think they might be trying to tell me something...


I'm not a teacher mysekf, but my wife just retired from 31 years of teaching, and a great many of our friends and acqaintances are teachers. My wife very much enjoyed the teaching, but as time passed, less and less of her time could be devoted to real teaching and more and more was taken up by test-teaching, test-preparing and test-administering. There was no curriculum in the best sense, just a set of standards listing what students would be expected to know ontests. This was concomitant with parents and students less and less respectful of teachers, even reaching the point of open contempt - which is something rather shocking to encounter in another adult.

It is all the fruit of the war on public education that has been in progress in this country for many years. When the public schools are condemned by the country's leaders every day in the press and the teachers are blamed for the ecucational consequences of social injustice and rampant poverty, why should it surprise that so many parents have contempt for teachers?

My wife was an excellent teacher, with a Master's degree and a National Board Certification - this latter placing her among the educational elite - and she repeatedly received bonuses for the performace of her students on tests. She worked inthe urban public schools out of a frankly political dedication to the public education and a belief that the urban kids are the ones most in need of help. But she ended up wishing that she had gone into something besides education, not because she lost her love of children or of teaching, but because teaching has become more or less impossible in this country. She advises the young people she meets to be very careful about going into education.

The very latest thing has been the attack on teachers'      pensions, which has deprived many currently employed teachers of their promised retirement benefits and left them with the need to work many more years than the expected. Fortunately my eife retired just soon enough to escape that.

Many people in this country imagine that teachers as a group are lazy and have easy jobs. The political enemies of the public education exploit this.

Personally in light of all of this, I would be very careful before I signed up to be a teacher.
  

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Re: Any teachers here?
Reply #4 - 02/24/12 at 23:00:53
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I just got out of teaching in Public Schools (at long last!). Yesterday was my last day, and I hope I never end up teaching ever again.
  
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Reply #3 - 02/24/12 at 22:10:12
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Teaching 12 year old children already is very different from teaching 16 year old teenagers. It took me some years to master the first.
I recognize Antillian's remarks about indiscipline and deviance of today's youth. I'd like to add indifferent and sometimes simply hostile parents. It's very important that school has a policy on discipline. Mine has. Guess what? Our children love the strictest teachers most.
  

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Reply #2 - 02/24/12 at 10:05:53
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I work full time in business, but am a part time lecturer at the Bachelor and Masters level. I have to say that at times I enjoy the part time teaching better than my full time job. However, I am teaching adults!

I taught in high school full time many years ago and hated it. I could not handle the indiscipline and downright deviance of today's youth. I used to scoff at older folk when they said young people are so different today, until I started teaching them myself - and I am under 40 still.  I suppose the school makes a difference too - the high school I taught at was terrible. If you are in a good school district, that would probably make a big difference. 

So bear in mind that teaching requires a lot more skills than the ability to teach. And remember teaching at college and teaching at high school level are two entirely different things requiring two totally different skill sets.
  

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Reply #1 - 02/23/12 at 22:15:02
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ErictheRed wrote on 02/23/12 at 21:21:51:
Any American teachers here?  I'm thinking of quitting engineering (too antisocial, dry, technical, etc) and becoming a high school science teacher.

I take the liberty to understand "American" as living in one of the two America's. I'm a teacher physics and mathematics in Suriname. Your salary here will be cut in less than half though.
OK, this was tongue in cheek. Good luck. I love my job. What was important for me was to find a school were I actually felt useful, not a learning/teaching factory. It took me some years to find one, but I have succeeded.
  

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02/23/12 at 21:21:51
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Any American teachers here?  I'm thinking of quitting engineering (too antisocial, dry, technical, etc) and becoming a high school science teacher.  Of course my salary will be cut in half Sad.  Any advice, words of wisdom, etc?  I'm 33 years old, currently in Colorado, feeling very unfulfilled with my job.  I took a Strong Interest Inventory and MBTI (psychological tests to guage your interests and personality type, and recommend careers for you), and 4 of the top 10 recommended careers were elementary school teacher, high school teacher, college professor, and college instructor!  I think they might be trying to tell me something...
  
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