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Re: C23: Calabrese Counter-Gambit: 1 e4 e5 2 Bc4 f5!?
Reply #9 - 03/30/12 at 21:54:54
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Gambit wrote on 03/30/12 at 20:27:46:
White is being a scaredy cat if he plays 3 d3.

Predictable. As I wrote: if LDZ writes this it's a good move.

Gambit wrote on 03/30/12 at 20:27:46:
I would continue 1 e4 e5 2 Bc4 f5 3 d3 Nf6, transposing to the Latvian Gambit Declined.

Fortunately we get a move this time, albeit one that has been widely known since 1972 at least, when Harding in his book on the Bishop's Game gave 4.f4. According to him this move stems from Staunton.
Which obviously is no Latvian Gambit Declined.

Schuld,H - Koetsheid,P [C23]
corr, 1902

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Re: C23: Calabrese Counter-Gambit: 1 e4 e5 2 Bc4 f5!?
Reply #8 - 03/30/12 at 20:27:46
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The Elephant Gambit, 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 d5, is not as dubious as you think it is. I have played it when I was younger, and won some nice games. In my first game, back in 1991, I drew FM Rudy Blumenfield. I was rated 1856 at the time, he, 2391. It was a big deal.

White is being a scaredy cat if he plays 3 d3. I would continue 1 e4 e5 2 Bc4 f5 3 d3 Nf6, transposing to the Latvian Gambit Declined. Some old games of mine include ...Nc6 - Na5, trading off the pesky Bc4. Other plans include ...d6 , ...Qe7 ,  ...Be6, exchanging the Bc4.

And yes, I and other gambiteers still play these dangerous and risky openings over the board, Gilchrist.
  
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Re: C23: Calabrese Counter-Gambit: 1 e4 e5 2 Bc4 f5!?
Reply #7 - 03/30/12 at 04:00:13
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Just a question, but how often do people actually play these gambits in tournaments? Smiley

When I used to play 1. e4 for almost ten years, the only dubious gambit I faced was 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d5?!
  

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Re: C23: Calabrese Counter-Gambit: 1 e4 e5 2 Bc4 f5!?
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Modification: 3.d3 spoils all Black's fun, but not White's. I recognize a trend: all strong moves that question LDZ's beloved openings "spoil the fun." So I strongly recommend studying moves rejected by LDZ for this reason.
  

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Re: C23: Calabrese Counter-Gambit: 1 e4 e5 2 Bc4 f5!?
Reply #5 - 03/30/12 at 01:32:49
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That is just avoiding all the fun.
  
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Re: C23: Calabrese Counter-Gambit: 1 e4 e5 2 Bc4 f5!?
Reply #4 - 03/29/12 at 17:33:32
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What's wrong with 3.d3?
  
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Re: C23: Calabrese Counter-Gambit: 1 e4 e5 2 Bc4 f5!?
Reply #3 - 03/29/12 at 17:22:38
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After 1 e4 e5 2 Bc4 f5 3 d4 d6 4 Nf3 b5 transposes to the Philidor Counter-Gambit: Newark Gambit.
  
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Re: Calabrese Counter-Gambit: 1 e4 e5 2 Bc4 f5!?
Reply #2 - 03/29/12 at 13:09:41
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In case you don't know, you can find some analysis at goeller's "Urusov gambit system" website. I think he advocated 3.f4 as a way to create a sharp simmetry which should be in principle favourable to white. My patzer mind would make me play something like 3.Nf3, but i've heard black is not badly placed in the 3.Bc4 latvian, is it right? (edit:sorry, jediknight posted while i was writing. 3.Nf3 confirmed as nothing special.)
  
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Re: Calabrese Counter-Gambit: 1 e4 e5 2 Bc4 f5!?
Reply #1 - 03/29/12 at 13:09:23
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I don't believe in most of these early ...f5 lines for Black but this one appears at first glance to be rather more resilient than many of the others.

Not 3.Nf3, as that transposes to a decent line of the Latvian Gambit for Black.  Black can generate very dangerous compensation in the exchange sacrifice line 3...fxe4 4.Nxe5 d5 5.Qh5+ g6 6.Nxg6 hxg6 7.Qxh8 Kf7, and 7.Qxg6+ Kd7 is OK for Black.

I'm not convinced by 3.exf5 Nf6 either- White is a tempo up on the King's Gambit Accepted but Bf1-c4 isn't necessarily the most useful of extra tempos, it can easily be hit by a subsequent ...d5.  I'm also not sure if White gets much against 3.d4 exd4.

Therefore most critical are probably 3.d3 (initiating a reversed King's Gambit Declined) and 3.Nc3, when White should get a nice edge, though nothing decisive.
  
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C23: Calabrese Counter-Gambit: 1 e4 e5 2 Bc4 f5!?
03/29/12 at 10:45:00
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So what's wrong with this then? Smiley
« Last Edit: 03/29/12 at 13:30:51 by Smyslov_Fan »  

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