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Pantu Ex Member	Re: English with transposition tomain line QG and Slav Reply #5 - 04/11/12 at 08:10:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well, 1 c4 Nf6 2 Nc3 e5 3 Nf3! Nc6 4 g3 is more usual (as I am sure you know)...here I actually quite like white in most lines. Anyway, to answer the original poster, another question is whether you like 1.g3!? e.g. 1. g3 e5 2.c4 -> English 1. g3 c5 2.c4 -> English 1. g3 Nf6 2. Bg2 e5/c5 3. c4 -> English Which just leaves 1. g3 d5 when 2. Nf3 gives some more English/Reti positions. Depending on what exactly is the problem after 1.c4 e6/c6 this might be worth investigating. 1.g3 d5 2.Bg2 allows 2...e5 and also leaves me wondering what white should play after 2...Nf6 to avoid transposing to the 2.Nf3 lines.


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Markovich God Member Offline Posts: 6099 Location: Columbus, Ohio Joined: 09/17/04	Re: English with transposition tomain line QG and Slav Reply #4 - 04/11/12 at 02:09:30	Post Tools	Print Post
	1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 e5! 3.g3 Bb4! (I admit my decorations are somewhat subjective) is considered one of Black's best rejoinders to the English, to avoid which was a major point of Marin's repertoire. But 2.g3 c6! and Black is fine again. Personally if I played 1.c4 it would be with the idea of reaching certain middle games that I liked, more than demonstrating +=. So what kind of middle games do you like?

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Kazzy YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 15 Joined: 06/08/11	Re: English with transposition tomain line QG and Slav Reply #3 - 04/09/12 at 09:03:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	Konstriktor wrote on 04/08/12 at 22:34:54: And vs 1. ... Nf6 2.Nc3 And then If 2. ... e6 3. d4 allowing a nimzo/QG or benoni If 2. ... c6 3. d4 main line slav If 2. ... e5/c5/d6/g6 3. g3 transposing to Marin If 2. ... d5 3. cxd Nxd g3 transposing to Marin Any experiences with this? Is it worth the amount of extra work? Are there transpositional problems? Hi Konstriktor, the problem with your move-order is clearly if Black plays 1... Nf6. After 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 you've got some problems to stay inside your repertoire after both 2... c5 and 2... e5. After 2... c5 it's not really good to play 3. g3 as Black is doing very well after 3... e6. You should try to transpose to the Tarrasch with 4.Nf3 d5 5. cxd5 here because after 4.Bg2 d5 Black is clearly doing fine (check out Marins third volume on page 216). But Black could also reply with 5... Nxd5, so be aware. I personally prefer to play 3. e4 after 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 c5. After 2... e5 3. g3 you have to consider 3... Bb4 which puts you out of your repertoire again as you cannot play 4. Nd5 here. Take a look at Nakamura-Ivanchuk in Reggio Emilia 2011 where Ivanchuk really outplayed Naka. Another issue is 3... c6 when there are some differences compared to Marins approach. Hope this helps, cheers.


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Konstriktor Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 171 Joined: 02/21/10 Gender:	Re: English with transposition tomain line QG and Slav Reply #2 - 04/09/12 at 07:12:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	@MNb : thx for your answers. MNb wrote on 04/09/12 at 05:01:41: I have a few other questions for you. Which defences against 1.d4 do you try to avoid - isn't it more economical just to play 1.d4 ? Well. The main reason of my question is that I'm thinking of completely switching to d4. 1. c4 rules out Albin, Budapest, QGA, Grünfeld(?) and probably some others. Of course it also allows also e5 and c5 but I don't mind that. Basically looking forward to Schandorff's books on the QG and the Indian defenses in may/june. By playing 1. c4 I'm in some known territory before going all in on 1.d4! Quote: Is there any reason you reject 1.c4 e6 2.Nc3 ? No. I have not looked into this yet. What are to advantages of this move order? Quote: Is there any reason you reject 1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 e6 3.e4 (Mikenas), which has a very good reputation? This way you might avoid the NID ánd the Benoni's. I have faced this two times as black. Lost one game horribly and drew the other one comfortably. Maybe my minus score inhibits me from choosing this line! Well, another reason is that I play the Nimzo myself. I think it is a great opening to play for both sides because of it's idea richness. So I would like to play against my defense... If possible I would like to steer clear of the Benoni. Maybe good enough reason to check it out. I've got Watson's Mastering the Chess Opening 3. A good source to begin with?


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10756 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: English with transposition tomain line QG and Slav Reply #1 - 04/09/12 at 05:01:41	Post Tools	Print Post
	Konstriktor wrote on 04/08/12 at 22:34:54: Any experiences with this? Is it worth the amount of extra work? Are there transpositional problems? Is the benoni less good for black with an early e6, as in 1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 e6 3. d4 c5. No. Yes, if you dislike 2.g3. There might some transpositional problems for White with the Semi-Tarrasch 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 e6 4.Nc3 c5 5.cxd5 Nxd5 6.g3. Not really; with this move order Black allows the Flick Knife aka Taimanov with f4 and Bb5+. Sometimes Black only plays the Benoni via 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3/3.g3 c5. I have a few other questions for you. Which defences against 1.d4 do you try to avoid - isn't it more economical just to play 1.d4 ? Is there any reason you reject 1.c4 e6 2.Nc3 ? Is there any reason you reject 1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 e6 3.e4 (Mikenas), which has a very good reputation? This way you might avoid the NID ánd the Benoni's.

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Konstriktor Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 171 Joined: 02/21/10 Gender:	English with transposition tomain line QG and Slav 04/08/12 at 22:34:54	Post Tools	Print Post
	I am playing Marin's English repertoire which I like a lot vs c5 and e5. I do not like playing 2. g3 vs 1. ... e6 and 1. ... c6 though. For some reason I miss something to latch unto, something that has some sting. I do not have this feeling/problem vs e5 and c5. My idea is to play 2. g3 vs 1. ... e5 and 1. ... c5 and follow Marins repertoire. But vs 1. ... c6 and 1. ... e6 play with 2.d4 and go for a full Slav/QG line following Schandorffs QG rep. And vs 1. ... Nf6 2.Nc3 And then If 2. ... e6 3. d4 allowing a nimzo/QG or benoni If 2. ... c6 3. d4 main line slav If 2. ... e5/c5/d6/g6 3. g3 transposing to Marin If 2. ... d5 3. cxd Nxd g3 transposing to Marin Any experiences with this? Is it worth the amount of extra work? Are there transpositional problems? Is the benoni less good for black with an early e6, as in 1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 e6 3. d4 c5.


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