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Jay Full Member Offline Posts: 212 Location: USA Joined: 04/18/09 Gender:	Re: Set-ups against the English Attack in the Najdorf! Reply #14 - 05/22/12 at 13:15:04	Post Tools	Print Post
	Lee, I think that the first position looks easier to play as white. Chess players often talk about time, development, space, and attack, but maybe we should add ease of play to the list?


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Michael Wilde Full Member Offline Posts: 163 Location: Santa Rosa, California Joined: 02/22/12	Re: Set-ups against the English Attack in the Najdorf! Reply #13 - 04/15/12 at 17:57:39	Post Tools	Print Post
	Thanks for the great analysis...I have to agree with you, I also feel like these position with an early b4...are very messy, and am also looking to reacquaint myself with the Nb6 lines. Although I am still very intrigued by these positions and will continue to study them and see if with more practice and study I can perfect my play. Your analysis will help a lot, so thanks! The Scheveningen Move by Move should be arriving any day, and GM6 2nd edition will be released in July according to QC website, so between the two books I should find a set-up I can make work. Thanks again! I just thought about 13...Rb8 as the natural move here, not thinking of looking for improvement after 13...g5. Probably good to know both lines in case your opponent happens to be better at playing against one or the other.

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Reply #12 - 04/15/12 at 16:15:44

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I agree with tp. 13..g5 looks like a normal move in this kind of position. After 14.Bd2 Rb8 15.Qa3 a5 16.Bc3 Qc7, White has scored 74% in 7 games in my database, but Houdini thinks its equal and Black looks OK.

Here's a diagram of the key position after 16..Qc7:

In Cutting Edge, Pavlovic disapproves of 13..g5 based on Tiviakov-Mogranzini, Trieste 2008, which continued (after 13..g5) 14.Bg3 h5 15.Nb3 Rb8 (A mistake? -- This just seems to push the Queen to where it wants to go.) 16.Qc3! Bxa4 17.Bxe5 Be7 18.Bxa6 hxg4 19.Nc5 with advantage to White. But in this line Black may be able to improve with 15..hxg4 or 15..Nxf3.

Here's the position after White's 15th move:

15..hxg4 is interesting. After 16.Qc3 gxf3 17.Bxe5 dxe5 18.Nac5 g4!? This sacrifices a piece for kingside pawn play (If Black wants to maintain material equality 18..Bxc5 19.Nxc5 Qe7 20.Qxf3 Bc6 is also worth exploring) 19.Bxa6 Qc7 20.Nxd7 Bh6! 21.Kb1 Qc7 22.Nxf6 Ke7 23.bxc3 Kxf6 when Black has good play for the piece, according to Houdini.

15..Nxf3 is also playable, but not sure it equalizes after 16.Bxd6 Bxd6 17.Rxd6 hxg4 18.Bg2.

BTW, in Cutting Edge, Pavlovic suggests that 13..Rb8!? (his mark) is Black's best. This was a novelty at the time of writing, and I find only one game with it since. Unfortunately, after 14.Qc3 the players agreed a draw, so not much help there. Pavlovic instead analyzed 14.Qa3 Qa5 15.Nc5 Qxa3, ultimately concluding that this endgame is unclear. This may be worth exploring further.

I have to say, though, that personally, I find these early ..b4 variations too chaotic, which is why I'm leaning towards the ..Nb6 set-ups.

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Michael Wilde Full Member Offline Posts: 163 Location: Santa Rosa, California Joined: 02/22/12	Re: Set-ups against the English Attack in the Najdorf! Reply #11 - 04/14/12 at 07:50:12	Post Tools	Print Post
	Thanks for the feedback...

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tp2205 Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 218 Joined: 09/11/11	Re: Set-ups against the English Attack in the Najdorf! Reply #10 - 04/14/12 at 05:31:23	Post Tools	Print Post
	Michael Wilde wrote on 04/13/12 at 20:52:41: ... Download game in pgn format In the second game I think the move12.Qxb4 follwed by 13.Bf4 looks pretty strong, I don’t like 13…g5, something feels off about it, feels like it opens the door to get busted on the king side. Any suggested improvemets for black on move 13? I would probably look for improvements at move 14. Rb8 15. Qa3 (not sure if that is the right move) a5 with the idea Rb4 (and perhaps Bg7,0-0), 14...Qc7/ (Qc8!? to protect a6) with the idea Nc4 would the moves I'd check with White.


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Michael Wilde Full Member Offline Posts: 163 Location: Santa Rosa, California Joined: 02/22/12	Re: Set-ups against the English Attack in the Najdorf! Reply #9 - 04/13/12 at 20:52:41	Post Tools	Print Post
	That is the main reason I ordered the new book The Scheveningen Move by Move. I started out playing the ...b5 Nb6 lines from the book Play the Najdorj/Shceveningen Style by john Emms. I did very well at the beginning, but then as I got better and people started playing sharper moves I found the book a little out of date, but sill love the set-ups that come form an ealy b5...followed by Nb6, Then I switched to GM6 with the early ...b5 ...b4 and I didn't do as well in those postions, I even tried the staight ...e5 move but these positions are sot my style, the whole on d5 and how clamped down the position can get with your dark sq. Bishop getting locked in sometimes...I always prefer ...e6 with ...a6 first th avoid the Keres (which I will be curious to see how this new book handles that line, if is doing ok for black) but looking at the table of contents it looks like 9.Nb6 is the line chosen against the english, As this was my first love I am eager to see if I can make this line work again... I also like the lines with the two knights developed first before going ...b4 seems somehow safer to atleast have two pieces out before pushing the b pawn although I just looked at a game which I did not like the resulting position for black in this line... Fier, Alexandre Santos (2586) Berbatov, Kiprian (2454) Event: MP Reykjavik Open Site: Reykjavik ISL Date: 03/14/2011 Round: 7.12 Score: 1-0 ECO: B90 Sicilian, Najdorf, Byrne (English) attack 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 e6 7. f3 b5 8. Qd2 Nbd7 9. g4 h6 10. O-O-O b4 11. Na4 Ne5 12. Qxb4 Bd7 13. Bf4 g5 14. Bd2 Be7 15. h4 gxh4 16. Qb3 Rb8 17. Ba5 Rxb3 18. Bxd8 Rb4 19. Bxe7 Kxe7 20. Nc3 a5 21. a3 Rxd4 22. Rxd4 Nxf3 23. Rd1 Nxg4 24. Be2 Nge5 25. Bxf3 Nxf3 26. Rh3 Ng5 27. Rxh4 Bc6 28. b3 Bb7 29. Kb2 Rc8 30. Rd3 Rh8 31. b4 axb4 32. axb4 h5 33. Kb3 Ba8 34. b5 e5 35. Kb4 Ne6 36. Nd5+ Bxd5 37. Rxd5 Nf4 38. Rd1 Ng6 39. Rh2 h4 40. c4 h3 41. b6 Nf4 42. Kb5 Ne6 43. Rd3 Rc8 44. Rd5 Rh8 45. b7 Kd7 46. Kb6 Nc5 47. Ka7 Kc7 48. Rxc5+ dxc5 49. Rxh3 1-0 In the second game I think the move12.Qxb4 follwed by 13.Bf4 looks pretty strong, I don’t like 13…g5, something feels off about it, feels like it opens the door to get busted on the king side. Any suggested improvemets for black on move 13? When I get the new book I will have more to talk about actuall theory wise about the ...b5 English. And thanks for your feedback, looks like when I can the Open Siclian page will be a good resource!

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LeeRoth God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 1520 Joined: 10/22/05	Re: Set-ups against the English Attack in the Najdorf! Reply #8 - 04/13/12 at 15:59:19	Post Tools	Print Post
	The ebook here has good coverage of the topical games in this line. It's the best source to get an overview of what's hot at the top as well as a sense of the different set-ups and ideas. But its not intended to be a substitute for a repertoire book or a basic guide to learning the opening, if that's more of what you're after. After years of playing ..Nc6 against the English Attack, I'm now looking at playing one of these ..b5 systems myself. So far, I'm leaning towards the ..Nb6 lines, but still far from deciding. Happy to start a new thread to discuss these set-ups from a theoretical view, but only if people will actually post theory and not just respond with vague generalities or, even worse, suggestions that I switch to the Caro-Kann or Petroff.


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Michael Wilde Full Member Offline Posts: 163 Location: Santa Rosa, California Joined: 02/22/12	Re: Set-ups against the English Attack in the Najdorf! Reply #7 - 04/13/12 at 00:22:45	Post Tools	Print Post
	Also I am always looking for set-ups againts the English, and just ordered The Sicilian Scheveningen Move by Move. Looking at the table of contents on Amazon the lines will be like the way Kasparov used to play in some of his games after e6...which is the move I prefer bringing both knights to the Queen side on b6 possble c4 and a4 to start a nice queen side attack. This with the 2nd edition of GM6 coming out in July should be enough to find a good way to fight the English after ...e6 And a maybe adding the Open Sicilian page...

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Michael Wilde Full Member Offline Posts: 163 Location: Santa Rosa, California Joined: 02/22/12	Re: Set-ups against the English Attack in the Najdorf! Reply #6 - 04/13/12 at 00:13:23	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well then if I end up ever adding another page to my account it will be the Open siclian, so thanks!

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MartinC God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 2093 Joined: 07/24/06	Re: Set-ups against the English Attack in the Najdorf! Reply #5 - 04/12/12 at 19:14:01	Post Tools	Print Post
	The e-book specifically I'm not sure about but certainly plenty of relevant information. Having checked, the December 2011 update actually has some annotations for Karjakin - Cheparinov And references some other annotated games etc.


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Michael Wilde Full Member Offline Posts: 163 Location: Santa Rosa, California Joined: 02/22/12	Re: Set-ups against the English Attack in the Najdorf! Reply #4 - 04/12/12 at 19:06:15	Post Tools	Print Post
	Looks like GM6, the Cutting Edge Najdorf 6.Be3 for some of the Na4 lines and Databases are best, still if anyone knows if any of these lines are covered in the new Scheveningen ebook here at ChessPub, please let me know. Thanks!

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Michael Wilde Full Member Offline Posts: 163 Location: Santa Rosa, California Joined: 02/22/12	Re: Set-ups against the English Attack in the Najdorf! Reply #3 - 04/12/12 at 18:53:38	Post Tools	Print Post
	Thanks

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MartinC God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 2093 Joined: 07/24/06	Re: Set-ups against the English Attack in the Najdorf! Reply #2 - 04/12/12 at 09:22:20	Post Tools	Print Post
	Looks like a subtle more order thing to try and enforce the main line of GM6 - the position after 11 moves in your first game is I believe covered on pages 359-372? - whilst slightly affecting the status of the various c4/Bc4 ideas etc. So should probably be able to sort it out from Ftacnik and say that Negi game for how to meet c4


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Michael Wilde Full Member Offline Posts: 163 Location: Santa Rosa, California Joined: 02/22/12	Re: Set-ups against the English Attack in the Najdorf! Reply #1 - 04/12/12 at 01:39:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	Any of these lines covered in the new Scheveningen playable ebook here @ ChessPub?

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Michael Wilde Full Member Offline Posts: 163 Location: Santa Rosa, California Joined: 02/22/12	Set-ups against the English Attack in the Najdorf! 04/11/12 at 23:43:39	Post Tools	Print Post
	Anyone know of any books or sources (Besides Databases) That cover the follwing set-ups against the English Attack in the Najdorf/Scheveingen? 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 e6 7. f3 b5 8. g4 h6 9. Qd2 Nbd7 10. O-O-O b4 In Gm6 we play b4 before the knight to d7, but I am really liking the positions after playing the knight Nbd7 first followed by …b4 Alot of good players are picking this move order Anton Korobov Negi Ivan Cheparinov here are two games that caught my attention [Event "European Team Championship"] [Site "Porto Carras GRE"] [Date "2011.11.06"] [EventDate "?"] [Round "4.2"] [Result "0-1"] [White "Sergey Karjakin"] [Black "Ivan Cheparinov"] [ECO "B80"] [WhiteElo "2763"] [BlackElo "2650"] [PlyCount "92"] 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 e6 7. f3 b5 8. Qd2 Nbd7 9. g4 h6 10. O-O-O b4 11. Nce2 Qc7 12. h4 d5 13. Bh3 Nb6 14. b3 dxe4 15. g5 Nfd5 16. fxe4 Nxe3 17. Qxe3 hxg5 18. hxg5 g6 19. Kb1 Bg7 20. Rhf1 Qe5 21. Qf2 Ra7 22. Ng1 Rc7 23. Ngf3 Qc5 24. Qd2 Qc3 25. Bg4 Qxd2 26. Rxd2 Ke7 27. Rdf2 Nd7 28. Ne2 Bb7 29. Ne1 Ne5 30. Nd3 Ke8 31. Nxe5 Bxe5 32. Bf3 Rh4 33. Nc1 Bxe4 34. Re2 Bxf3 35. Rxe5 Be4 36. Rf2 Bf5 37. Ra5 Rc6 38. Rg2 Rh3 39. Re5 Rh1 40. Kb2 Rd6 41. Nd3 Bxd3 42. cxd3 Rxd3 43. Re4 a5 44. Re5 Rd5 45. Rxd5 exd5 46. Rd2 Rf1 0-1 [Event "28th Cappelle-la-Grande"] [Site "Cappelle la Grande FRA"] [Date "2012.03.06"] [EventDate "2012.03.03"] [Round "5"] [Result "0-1"] [White "Joseph Sanchez"] [Black "Parimarjan Negi"] [ECO "B80"] [WhiteElo "2526"] [BlackElo "2639"] [PlyCount "74"] 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 e6 7. f3 b5 8. Qd2 Nbd7 9. g4 b4 10. Nce2 h6 11. c4 bxc3 12. Nxc3 Bb7 13. Bc4 d5 14. exd5 Nb6 15. Bb3 Nfxd5 16. Nxd5 Bxd5 17. O-O-O Bxb3 18. Nxb3 Nd5 19. Kb1 Bb4 20. Qe2 O-O 21. Bd4 Be7 22. f4 a5 23. g5 hxg5 24. fxg5 Bxg5 25. Rhg1 Bf6 26. Qh5 Bxd4 27. Rxd4 f5 28. Qh6 Qf6 29. Rg6 Qe5 30. Rh4 Kf7 31. Qh5 Nf6 32. Qg5 Rg8 33. Rc4 a4 34. Nc5 Rad8 35. Qg1 Qe2 36. Rc1 Rd2 37. Nxa4 Qe4+ 0-1

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