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Gambit God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 1394 Location: Newark Joined: 07/26/05 Gender:	Re: London System-Morris Gambit Question Reply #8 - 05/14/12 at 20:02:14	Post Tools	Print Post
	In which case you might play a move other than Bc4.


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SWJediknight God Member Offline Alert... opponent out of book! Posts: 915 Joined: 03/14/08	Re: London System-Morris Gambit Question Reply #7 - 05/11/12 at 12:37:15	Post Tools	Print Post
	I think it is more likely to transpose to "Long Bogo" lines of the Blackmar-Diemer after, say, 8.Qd2 Bf5 9.0-0-0, in which Black has arguably played ...c5 a bit too early. I agree with TN about White's ideas- if Black plays 8...0-0 or 9...0-0 then h2-h4-h5 follows, and if 9...Nbd7 then 10.d6. I'd be surprised if White doesn't have at least equality here. I consider 8.Bc4 to be significantly sub-optimal in this reversed Albin line as the Bc4 is blunted by the white pawn on d5. 8...0-0 9.0-0 Nbd7 is slightly better for Black, and if it does transpose to the Blackmar-Diemer it is a sub-optimal line of it (in the Bc4 lines White normally answers ...c7-c5 with d4xc5 not d4-d5).


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Gambit God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 1394 Location: Newark Joined: 07/26/05 Gender:	Re: London System-Morris Gambit Question Reply #6 - 05/10/12 at 16:18:06	Post Tools	Print Post
	What is the difference between 1 d4 d5 2 Bf4 c5 3 e4 dxe4 4 d5 Nf6 5 Nc3 g6 6 f3 exf3 7 Nxf3 Bg7 8 Bc4 and 1 d4 d5 2 dxe4 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 f3 exf3 5 Nxf3 g6 6 Bc4 Bg7 8 00 c5 9 d5 00 10 Bf4 ? Seems to me they transpose.


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ErictheRed God Member Offline USCF National Master Posts: 2533 Location: USA Joined: 10/02/05	Re: London System-Morris Gambit Question Reply #5 - 05/09/12 at 20:19:28	Post Tools	Print Post
	Anonymous3 wrote on 05/09/12 at 06:36:33: It would be nice if you could give some specific analysis. I've analyzed all the ideas after Qd2/Bh6 and they don't seem to even equalize. I'm in a strange mood I admit, but my God this was the best single post of the year so far!! You hope someone else will share their analysis with you, and yet you don't share any of your own, despite having "analyzed all the ideas." Wow.


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Gambit God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 1394 Location: Newark Joined: 07/26/05 Gender:	Re: London System-Morris Gambit Question Reply #4 - 05/09/12 at 15:50:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	The lines with f3 - exf3 -Nxf3 transpose to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit, Bogoljubow Defense.


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Jupp53 God Member Offline be Posts: 988 Location: Frankfurt/Main Joined: 01/04/09 Gender:	Re: London System-Morris Gambit Question Reply #3 - 05/09/12 at 07:26:18	Post Tools	Print Post
	Anonymous3 wrote on 05/09/12 at 06:36:33: It would be nice if you could give some specific analysis. I've analyzed all the ideas after Qd2/Bh6 and they don't seem to even equalize. Maybe you can give your analysis. I'm interested in.

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Anonymous3 Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 307 Joined: 08/15/08	Re: London System-Morris Gambit Question Reply #2 - 05/09/12 at 06:36:33	Post Tools	Print Post
	It would be nice if you could give some specific analysis. I've analyzed all the ideas after Qd2/Bh6 and they don't seem to even equalize.


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TN God Member Offline Posts: 3420 Joined: 11/07/08 Gender:	Re: Morris Gambit Reply #1 - 05/09/12 at 06:30:42	Post Tools	Print Post
	The game Sokolov-Oll is still a model for how to meet the ...g6 setup: Play a quick Qd2/Bh6, follow with h4-h5 if Black castles, and if he doesn't, break in the centre with d6. In light of that, against 6.Qd2 Black should probably play 6...a6, but then White can change tack with 7.f3 exf3 8.Nxf3 which should offer enough for a pawn.

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Anonymous3 Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 307 Joined: 08/15/08	London System-Morris Gambit Question 05/09/12 at 06:11:07	Post Tools	Print Post
	In the Morris Gambit (reversed Albin-Counter Gambit) of the London System (1.d4 d5 2.Bf4 c5 3.e4!?) I can't find how White can gain an advantage (or even reach equality) in the line 3...dxe4 4.d5 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6. While White's extra tempo of Bf4 seems to be enough to reverse the assessment to White's favor in the 5...a6 line (and of course in the 5...Nbd7 line), it doesn't seem to be enough to reverse the assessment in the 5...g6 line. Thoughts?


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