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ghenghisclown God Member Offline Pedicare Vestri Latin Posts: 1022 Location: HollyWeird Joined: 07/19/06 Gender:	Re: I propose a new rule. Reply #33 - 05/14/12 at 22:32:14	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well, SmyslovFan, you make a good case, too. I'm just saying, if we are going to make these rules, they should be complete.

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Smyslov_Fan YaBB Moderator Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: I propose a new rule. Reply #32 - 05/14/12 at 22:26:30	Post Tools	Print Post
	This is not a "major forum', nor should it pretend to be. "Major" fora (or forums) allow and encourage as many people as possible to participate. The Chess Pub is a fairly closed lot. We don't need a bunch of rules that need to be explicitly stated and followed to the letter. The moderators know when something is wrong. The way we react may be slightly different from moderator to moderator, and case by case, but the opening forums are generally very well-run. There are far more useful things to do with our time than worry about site rules. Let's get back to chess!


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GMTonyKosten YaBB Administrator Online Mr Dynamic? Posts: 3152 Location: Clermont-Ferrand Joined: 12/19/02 Gender:	Re: I propose a new rule. Reply #31 - 05/14/12 at 21:51:59	Post Tools	Print Post
	Stefan Buecker wrote on 05/14/12 at 12:39:48: I've said it before, and repeat it, that Tony should lay down clear "Forum Rules" which moderators have as their guidance. Every major forum has them. I've always left it up to the individuals concerned, they can always ask me if they are not sure, but I'm happy to lay down some guidelines if you think that is better. What particular rules did you have in mind, Stefan?


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ghenghisclown God Member Offline Pedicare Vestri Latin Posts: 1022 Location: HollyWeird Joined: 07/19/06 Gender:	Re: I propose a new rule. Reply #30 - 05/14/12 at 19:49:32	Post Tools	Print Post
	Seeley wrote on 05/14/12 at 13:19:02: Stefan Buecker wrote on 05/14/12 at 12:39:48: Tony should lay down clear "Forum Rules" which moderators have as their guidance. Every major forum has them. I think this gets to the core of the difficulties that have arisen here recently. In the absence of such guidelines, any judgment made by a moderator can appear to be arbitrary and unilateral, and perhaps even personal. This seems to be what's caused some of the upset and resentment that has occurred. Of course, any 'Forum Rules' will inevitably leave leeway for interpretation, but at least they would help everyone – both moderators and posters – to know where they stand. YES.

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Seeley Senior Member Offline Posts: 352 Location: UK Joined: 04/03/10	Re: I propose a new rule. Reply #29 - 05/14/12 at 13:19:02	Post Tools	Print Post
	Stefan Buecker wrote on 05/14/12 at 12:39:48: Tony should lay down clear "Forum Rules" which moderators have as their guidance. Every major forum has them. I think this gets to the core of the difficulties that have arisen here recently. In the absence of such guidelines, any judgment made by a moderator can appear to be arbitrary and unilateral, and perhaps even personal. This seems to be what's caused some of the upset and resentment that has occurred. Of course, any 'Forum Rules' will inevitably leave leeway for interpretation, but at least they would help everyone – both moderators and posters – to know where they stand.


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Stefan Buecker God Member Offline Posts: 1386 Location: Germany Joined: 02/11/09 Gender:	Re: I propose a new rule. Reply #28 - 05/14/12 at 12:39:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	Keano wrote on 05/14/12 at 11:51:35: Regarding long nested quotes I never like seeing those. Is there an option in the forum software to let the Quote button just quote the actual text of the post, not anything the post has quoted from before. I've seen other forums working this way so I suspect there must be an option in the YaBB forum software to do it. This would work for chit chat, non-chess. But quotes, also extended quotes, are useful in theoretical debates which can be quite detailed, and there is a danger to lose the overview. In such a case I gladly quote 4, 5 or even more lines, highlight the moves to which I am refering, and can directly reply with my own analysis. But I admit that a lengthy quote, to which only a short remark is added, is ugly, and I may be guilty of such sins myself. I've said it before, and repeat it, that Tony should lay down clear "Forum Rules" which moderators have as their guidance. Every major forum has them.


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GMTonyKosten YaBB Administrator Online Mr Dynamic? Posts: 3152 Location: Clermont-Ferrand Joined: 12/19/02 Gender:	Re: I propose a new rule. Reply #27 - 05/14/12 at 12:36:52	Post Tools	Print Post
	Smyslov_Fan wrote on 05/13/12 at 22:25:04: What exactly does being a "troll" entail? Does that mean that chat privileges are revoked for a week? I think that they can't post while they are a 'Troll', but I could be wrong - we'll have to try it and see! kylemeister wrote on 05/13/12 at 21:48:28: I have the impression that on the USCF forum the endless arguing about moderating has involved the term "personal attack" rather than "insult" ... Yes, that's what I meant, I would like to stop any direct 'personal attacks' on the forum. ghenghisclown wrote on 05/13/12 at 21:12:17: You would have to define what an insult is and is not, and define it well. Not really, I think we all know what a personal insult is, and I wouldn't use it for anything in a grey zone.


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2916 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: I propose a new rule. Reply #26 - 05/14/12 at 11:51:35	Post Tools	Print Post
	Regarding long nested quotes I never like seeing those. Is there an option in the forum software to let the Quote button just quote the actual text of the post, not anything the post has quoted from before. I've seen other forums working this way so I suspect there must be an option in the YaBB forum software to do it.


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Bibs God Member Offline Posts: 2338 Joined: 10/24/06	Re: I propose a new rule. Reply #25 - 05/14/12 at 06:29:22	Post Tools	Print Post
	I think Gilchrist makes a reasonable point though. What is trolling? Tricky. Would reserve bans mostly just for rudeness, nastiness, idiocy. We all know who the handful are, hopefully they might do too and stop being so actively disruptive and mean-spirited. I borrow from Murakami Haruki, on ill will: “The world's full of groundless ill will. I'll never understand it, you'll never understand it, but it exists all the same.” ― Haruki Murakami, Pinball, 1973 Pity. Let's have less of it here. Trolling - aside from very obvious trolling like Anon3 (needs a ban), some people do seem to get obsessed hereabouts. Suggest they be advised to take a 'mental health' week off. For their own benefit. Can't force 'em away from a PC (there is always ICC and porn), but it may help.


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Smyslov_Fan YaBB Moderator Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: I propose a new rule. Reply #24 - 05/14/12 at 05:53:18	Post Tools	Print Post
	Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 05/14/12 at 01:27:25: ... And can moderators be given the troll status? What occurs if non-moderator users feel that a moderator should be given troll status? Complaints about moderators can be sent to the moderators themselves. If that doesn't work, you can send Tony Kosten a message. The next logical question will be: "what occurs if users feel that Tony Kosten should be given troll status?" I don't have a good answer to that one. Then again, neither did Plato.


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Gilchrist is a legend God Member Offline Posts: 1039 Location: Manchester, UK Joined: 03/02/10	Re: I propose a new rule. Reply #23 - 05/14/12 at 01:27:25	Post Tools	Print Post
	I would be against the rule, because the definition of such would be too ambiguous. And what happens if a moderator decides to consider a user a troll only according to his/her personal definition? There would be no evidence to disprove the aforementioned, nor if due fairness has transpired. And can moderators be given the troll status? What occurs if non-moderator users feel that a moderator should be given troll status?
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TN God Member Offline Posts: 3420 Joined: 11/07/08 Gender:	Re: I propose a new rule. Reply #22 - 05/14/12 at 00:36:10	Post Tools	Print Post
	GMTonyKosten wrote on 05/13/12 at 20:40:04: I'd like to propose a new rule! It has been suggested to me privately that I ban unruly members, but I'm not too keen on this idea, I can however give them 'Troll' status for a short period of time. So my suggested new rule is that any member who directly insults another will be 'Trolled' for a week. of course, if the victim then insults him back he will also be 'trolled' .. a bit like both getting red cards in a game of football. Anyone against this? I agree, except that I would suggest issuing a warning first, to give the member in question a chance to change their behaviour, and if they persist then they receive a temporary 'Troll' status.

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Bibs God Member Offline Posts: 2338 Joined: 10/24/06	Re: I propose a new rule. Reply #21 - 05/13/12 at 22:32:23	Post Tools	Print Post
	Smyslov_Fan wrote on 05/13/12 at 22:25:04: What exactly does being a "troll" entail? Does that mean that chat privileges are revoked for a week? ECForum does this. Idiocy, nastiness etc. Personal insults. Week ban. Seems sensible. Most here can self-moderate. Handful can't. They need sorting. Reminds me of school teaching - just one or two disruptive kids can spoil it for many if not dealt with and dealt with firmly, early.


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Smyslov_Fan YaBB Moderator Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: I propose a new rule. Reply #20 - 05/13/12 at 22:25:04	Post Tools	Print Post
	What exactly does being a "troll" entail? Does that mean that chat privileges are revoked for a week?


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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4904 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: I propose a new rule. Reply #19 - 05/13/12 at 21:48:28	Post Tools	Print Post
	I have the impression that on the USCF forum the endless arguing about moderating has involved the term "personal attack" rather than "insult" ...


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