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Re: 3.Nc3 de4 4.Ne4 Nf6 5.Nf6 ef6 Caro-Kann
Reply #8 - 05/22/19 at 16:23:37
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The new update has a game (Simacek-Michalik) in which White eschewed Qc2:  6 c3 Bd6 7 Bd3 0-0 8 Ne2 Re8 9 0-0 Nd7 10 Bf4.  As it happens that's another line which was given in old theory (ECO in 2002, citing Khalifman) as slightly favoring White.
  
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Re: 3.Nc3 de4 4.Ne4 Nf6 5.Nf6 ef6 Caro-Kann
Reply #7 - 05/06/19 at 15:55:30
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Incidentally that 6. c3 Bd6 7. Bd3 O-O 8. Qc2 Re8+ 9. Be3 h6 10. Ne2 Na6 11. O-O Nc7 12. c4 was given as leading to an edge for White in old theory (citing Chandler-Christiansen, in which Larry played 12...Bd7 instead of Carlsen's 12...Bg4).
  
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Re: 3.Nc3 de4 4.Ne4 Nf6 5.Nf6 ef6 Caro-Kann
Reply #6 - 05/06/19 at 13:48:10
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I was interested in this line, too, but the game Svidler - Carlsen shows a risk free approach for White:

https://chess-db.com/public/game.jsp?id=4102142.1503014.50458624.30268
  

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Re: 3.Nc3 de4 4.Ne4 Nf6 5.Nf6 ef6 Caro-Kann
Reply #5 - 05/05/19 at 00:43:25
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I saw an advertisement selling a rather expensive new PGN database about this exf6 variation.
https://www.modern-chess.com/en/chess-databases/database=52

The author/seller also recommends 3...c5 against the Advance variation and the early g6 line against the Panov-Botvinnik.  Seems like this would be a simple/lightweight and low-maintenance way to play while leading to a few different pawn structures  (unlike most lightweight options like the the Scandinavian or the Fort Knox French which lead to the same sort of game every time)  Also I did not see a lifeless killjoy/spoilsport variation provided that you dont mind the three big pillars of the repertoire mentioned above.
  

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Re: 3.Nc3 de4 4.Ne4 Nf6 5.Nf6 ef6 Caro-Kann
Reply #4 - 07/25/12 at 21:13:21
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I'm vaguely interested in both gf6 and ef6, so would like some further comment.  Silman wrote a book in 1989 on these variations but there hasn't been much coverage otherwise.

At first glance with ef6 seems like black can equalize after 6 Bc4 Qe7+ 7 Qe2 Be6 and 6 Nf3 Bd6.  As far as I know, in the sharp mainline 6 c3 Bd6 7 Bd3 0-0 8 Qc2 Re8+ 9 Ne2, 9...g6! is best as 10 h4 Be6! 11 h5 f5! 12 hxg6 hxg6 13 Bh6 Qf6 is just a bit of a mess but in other lines white can get something.
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Re: 3.Nc3 de4 4.Ne4 Nf6 5.Nf6 ef6 Caro-Kann
Reply #3 - 06/28/12 at 06:43:47
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The name of this thread is:
"3.Nc3 de4 4.Ne4 Nf6 5.Nf6 gf6 Caro-Kann"
...while we are talking about 3.Nc3 de4 4.Ne4 Nf6 5.Nf6 ef6 Caro-Kann  Huh
@TN Can you change the name of the thread appropriately?
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Re: 3.Nc3 de4 4.Ne4 Nf6 5.Nf6 ef6 Caro-Kann
Reply #2 - 06/28/12 at 02:04:49
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Varnusz covers this in Play the Caro-Kann (Pergamon, 1982). The only illustrative game he gives in full for c3/Bd3/Qc2 is Forgacs-Duras, St Petersburg, 1909 (0-1, 26), but he also mentions in the notes various other Black wins such as Asztalos-Nomzowitsch (Bled, 1931) and draws.

Regarding ...h6/g6/Kh8, he gives ...g6 as the main line, concluding "It would appear at present Black has satisfactory resources to counter the White attack, though he must clearly proceed with caution." Of ...Kh8 (which he marks as '!') he says "This logical response has been neglected in recent years. Unlike ...g6 or ...h6, however, it does not weaken the Black king position." and (after 10 Be3 Nd7 11 0-0-0 Nf8) "If we compare this position to 9...g6 where White responds with h4, or 9...h6 where he follows up the attack with g4, it can be seen that Black's defensive position is much more comfortable."

I hope this has been helpful.
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Re: 3.Nc3 de4 4.Ne4 Nf6 5.Nf6 ef6 Caro-Kann
Reply #1 - 06/27/12 at 14:13:33
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Korchnoi had this line in his repertoire against strongest opponents. His games were interesting.
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3.Nc3 de4 4.Ne4 Nf6 5.Nf6 ef6 Caro-Kann
06/27/12 at 13:44:15
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Today I had a quick look at this line of the Caro-Kann (1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3/Nd2 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nf6 5.Nxf6 exf6) and think this line could be an interesting surprise variation. However when searching for annotated games in my databases I found that most of the analysed games were White wins. Would anyone be able to suggest some model Black wins? In the Bd3/c3/Qc2 lines, is it better for Black to play ...h6, ...g6 or ...Kh8, and why?
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