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Re: Benko Gambit 9. ... Nbd7/Nfd7/0-0
Reply #13 - 11/06/12 at 13:22:43
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Dragan Glas wrote on 11/06/12 at 12:31:46:
Greetings,

After 8..., Bg7, given that Black now "threatens" 9..., Nfd7, my first thought was that White needs to sort out his queen-side asap, before playing Nf3.

Since 8..., Bg7/9..., Nfd7 prevents the normal 10.Rb1 move - or perhaps even 9.Rb1 !? - I think 9.Bd2 (with the idea of 9..., Nfd7; 10.a4/Rb1, Nb6; 11.b3 may work.

Any thoughts?

Kindest regards,

James

Well, 9.Bd2 is a move that takes off the white queen's protection over the d5-pawn. Look at the way GM Zurab Azmaiparashvili (after a transposition - with 10.Bd2) exploits it:



Edit: It's 0-1 by 'zeit' maybe, but in fact it's not the result that is important here. Black got a very good position after Bb7/e6 idea execution. And took the centre afterwards..  Wink
  
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Re: Benko Gambit 9. ... Nbd7/Nfd7/0-0
Reply #12 - 11/06/12 at 12:31:46
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Greetings,

After 8..., Bg7, given that Black now "threatens" 9..., Nfd7, my first thought was that White needs to sort out his queen-side asap, before playing Nf3.

Since 8..., Bg7/9..., Nfd7 prevents the normal 10.Rb1 move - or perhaps even 9.Rb1 !? - I think 9.Bd2 (with the idea of 9..., Nfd7; 10.a4/Rb1, Nb6; 11.b3 may work.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Benko Gambit 9. ... Nbd7/Nfd7/0-0
Reply #11 - 09/29/12 at 15:57:46
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I will just mention that Aveskulov in his new book (from GAMBIT sep-2012) does a great effort to revitalize the line with 9...Nbd7.

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Re: Benko Gambit 9. ... Nbd7/Nfd7/0-0
Reply #10 - 07/16/12 at 17:10:24
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Blue Flaneur wrote on 07/16/12 at 12:47:44:
TonyRo wrote on 07/11/12 at 19:24:30:


Perhaps delaying castling in order to get on with 13...Nc4!? is good enough for equality.


Yup. 13...Nc4! 0-1

After 9...Nfd7 it seems that White is in some serious, serious trouble. Not only does he have to deal with the uber sexiness of 9...Nfd7 but Alburt's original ideas (the ones after ...Nbd7, ...Nb6, ...Nc4) seem to resonate quite loudly with this innocent switch-a-roo.

I guess Watson, Georgiev, and Kaufman were right to go for different lines.


I am going to ignore the overzealous tone and just conclude that even after looking at 13...Nc4 for a while, I wasn't particularly impressed with Black's chances. 
  
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Re: Benko Gambit 9. ... Nbd7/Nfd7/0-0
Reply #9 - 07/16/12 at 13:37:36
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I like 9...Nfd7 as well, but let's not get too carried away. If White was struggling for equality in the main line of the Benko, a lot more people would play the Benko as Black.
  

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Re: Benko Gambit 9. ... Nbd7/Nfd7/0-0
Reply #8 - 07/16/12 at 12:47:44
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TonyRo wrote on 07/11/12 at 19:24:30:


Perhaps delaying castling in order to get on with 13...Nc4!? is good enough for equality.


Yup. 13...Nc4! 0-1

After 9...Nfd7 it seems that White is in some serious, serious trouble. Not only does he have to deal with the uber sexiness of 9...Nfd7 but Alburt's original ideas (the ones after ...Nbd7, ...Nb6, ...Nc4) seem to resonate quite loudly with this innocent switch-a-roo.

I guess Watson, Georgiev, and Kaufman were right to go for different lines.
  
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Re: Benko Gambit 9. ... Nbd7/Nfd7/0-0
Reply #7 - 07/11/12 at 19:24:30
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Looking at the free eBook (at work), I wonder about the line:

9...Nfd7 10.Qc2 Nb6 11.h4!? a la Avrukh, when Pederson only covers 11...h6 12.Nh2. To me, 12.Nh2 and the ponderous knight maneuvers that followed looked inconsequential and a little too artificial. 

On the other hand, if Black's best is really 11...h6!?, then the inclusion of 11.h4 h6 seems somewhat beneficial to White in the lines that I've looked at. For instance, if White just plays like he does in the Pederson game A.Goganov - S.Kasparov but with the h-pawn moves inserted, Black gets into trouble:

11.h4 h6 12.0-0!? N8d7 13.a4!? 0-0 14.a5 Nc4 15.h5! g5 16.Bxg5! and White seems to have a little too much cooking on the kingside. Maybe Black can find solace in 13...Nf6, which subconsciously seeks to exploit h4, but White can tread on with 14.a5 anyway, e.g. 14...Nbxd5 15.Qa4+ Kf8 16.Nxd5 Nxd5 17.h5!, when maybe Black is okay, though it looks dicey on a practical level. 

How does Black find good play after the thematic 12.0-0 and 13.a4!? - it's likely a different 13th move, but I'm not sure. I'm at work, so I can't check the rest of Pederson or Avrukh for anything, or a database!

Perhaps delaying castling in order to get on with 13...Nc4!? is good enough for equality.
  
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Re: Benko Gambit 9. ... Nbd7/Nfd7/0-0
Reply #6 - 07/11/12 at 15:22:45
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Pedersen's chapter on Nfd7 is available as a free download:

http://www.everymanchess.com/chess/books/Play_the_Benko_Gambit
  
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Re: Benko Gambit 9. ... Nbd7/Nfd7/0-0
Reply #5 - 07/11/12 at 15:14:08
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Didn't IM Nicolai Pedersen write an entire repertoire book based on Nfd7 after Avrukh's book came out?

I thought there was a thread devoted to that idea. I'll have to look.
  
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Re: Benko Gambit 9. ... Nbd7/Nfd7/0-0
Reply #4 - 07/04/12 at 09:07:54
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11.Qc2 is the point - White has time to organize the Qc2,Rd1 setup. Thats the whole point of playing ...Nd7-b6 before castling. If White wants to play it is another question, but this is why the whole move-order refinement of delaying castling was introduced, since at one time White was scoring strongly with this setup and Black was desperate to avoid it.
  
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Re: Benko Gambit 9. ... Nbd7/Nfd7/0-0
Reply #3 - 07/04/12 at 03:22:37
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I would have thought that the main disadvantage of an early 0-0 is that white has the option of pursuing a king side attack starting with h4. However, the most common response to 9. ... 0-0 is 10. 0-0 and after 10. ... Nbd7 11. Rb1 Nb6 12. b3  ... 0-0 (by far the most common move) closing the circle. Unless there is a better response in there it seems indeed just a move order switch ...
  
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Re: Benko Gambit 9. ... Nbd7/Nfd7/0-0
Reply #2 - 07/03/12 at 15:05:55
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To me 9...0-0 just seems like an inaccurate move order since you lose the option of an early ...Nb6, but the choice between 9...Nbd7 and 9...Nfd7 isn't an easy one since both moves offer chances for equality. I'd probably prefer 9...Nfd7, if only because it's not as well known, it stops the Rb1 lines and also I find Avrukh's lines against 9...Nbd7 a bit more convincing than against 9...Nfd7. But it would be interesting to see what a Benko specialist thinks of 9...Nbd7 10.Rb1 Nb6 nowadays. 

A few other, slightly off-topic points on move-orders:

a) If Black plays 5...Bxa6 instead of 5...g6 White can consider a setup with b3/Bb2, delaying the development of the c3-knight to try and reduce Black's counterplay. However if White plays a b3/Bb2 line against 5...g6, then Black can take with the knight on a6, with a turbo-charged Benko.

b) After 5...g6 6.Nc3, Black needs to play 6...Bxa6 as otherwise White can play 7.e4 (say after 6...Bg7 7.e4), when White will save time by taking a bishop on a6 rather than losing time with Kxf1-g2, for instance.

c) If White plays 6.Nf3 then g3/Bg2/0-0 without Nc3, Black can do better than playing ...Bxa6 by going for a ...Nxa6 setup or even ...Bf5 and ...Ne4, fighting tooth and nail for the initiative. 

d) One move order worth knowing about is 5...g6 6.Nc3 Bxa6 7.Nf3 Bg7 8.g3 d6 9.e4, with the idea of transposing to 7.e4 after 9...Bxf1 10.Kxf1. It's not a bad trick in blitz where most players will premove 9...Nbd7 or 9...0-0, assuming you'll fianchetto your bishop. Also it could gain a minute or two on the clock in an OTB game but otherwise it doesn't have any special merit.
  

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Re: Benko Gambit 9. ... Nbd7/Nfd7/0-0
Reply #1 - 07/03/12 at 11:36:15
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I have no idea what Avrukh recommends but I can tell as an ex Benko fan/sufferer the whole point of ...Nbd7 before ...0-0 is to avoid the Qc2 setup for White. At least that was the original idea it was introduced by Lev Alburt.
  
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Benko Gambit 9. ... Nbd7/Nfd7/0-0
07/03/12 at 04:40:25
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A while ago I bought the "1.d4" series books by GM Avrukh. In Chapter 14 on page 206 the main line is examined after 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 b5 4. cxb5 a6 5. Bxa6 g6 6. Nc3 Bxa6. Avrukh goes on to recommend 7.g3 d6 8. Bg2 Bg7 9. Nf3.

There he writes " ... there is a split determined by which knight Black places on d7 and goes on to examine 9. ... Nfd7 and 9. ... Nbd7. What is baffling to me that there is no mentioning of 9. ... 0-0 which according to every database has been played nearly as often as Nbd7 while Nfd7 hardly registers. It doesn't look like that there is anything wrong with 9. ... 0-0 and it appears that it is simply a move order change (10. 0-0 Nbd7 11. Rb1) . Or is there a nuance I am missing?
  
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