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Re: 1.e4 e5 - An active Repertoire for Black
Reply #46 - 08/31/12 at 13:53:26
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Too many late nights. I got my wires crossed and somehow thought I was talking about the d3 line that a couple of people had identified as frightening them off proper consideration of the Arkhangelsk. Don't know why that happened...

Just looked at the contents/guiding text and I don't see 7.d3.
  

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Reply #45 - 08/31/12 at 12:21:04
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ghenghisclown wrote on 08/30/12 at 11:26:02:
BobbyDigital80 wrote on 07/29/12 at 07:32:10:
ghenghisclown wrote on 07/21/12 at 15:47:25:
Well, that's sad. Actually, on Youtube, they never reply to my questions or PM's.


Is this line covered at all in the DVD?
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O b5 6. Bb3 Bb7 7. c3 Nxe4 8. d4 exd4 9. Re1 d5 10. Ng5 Qf6


Just got it a little while back and then remembered your question and looked at the contents. I don't believe it's covered.

7.Re1 and then 8.c3 is.

Feel free to ask me anything you want.


In fact this important line IS covered, in Game 19 Palac-Bartel, 2011.

I agree that this DVD could have been better, but nevertheless I found much of it interesting and useful. There are far, far worse "products" out there!
  
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Reply #44 - 08/30/12 at 12:42:27
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Ender wrote on 08/30/12 at 07:31:10:
Markovich wrote on 08/30/12 at 02:43:58:
Do we need this? To me it seems unconstructive.



This is a warning for everyone who want to buy this crap produced by Lilov. Michalchishin was never honest with his analysis even whith his pupils in Poland (ask GM Kaminski) but Lilov is just lazy and he is giving worst stuff available on DVDs. Much worse than higly criticized Dzindzi. So this is a warning: Michalchishin DVD is not good but save your money and don't buy anything from Lilov because it's 1000x worse than from Michalchishin. This is a good place to write a bit about level of these Dvd's. People should know who is not treating them seriosly and just want their money for giving back analysis full of flaws and repertoire holes. Michalchishin DVD is full of such things and even more of them you can find in works of Lilov who is "Eric Schiller of chess DVD's"


I would often agree with Markovich on such.
But Lilov is so incredibly inept that an exception can be made in this instance.
A public service announcement to potential customers to avoid like the plague.
Indeed, Schiller on DVD.

  
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Re: 1.e4 e5 - An active Repertoire for Black
Reply #43 - 08/30/12 at 11:26:02
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BobbyDigital80 wrote on 07/29/12 at 07:32:10:
ghenghisclown wrote on 07/21/12 at 15:47:25:
Well, that's sad. Actually, on Youtube, they never reply to my questions or PM's.


Is this line covered at all in the DVD?
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O b5 6. Bb3 Bb7 7. c3 Nxe4 8. d4 exd4 9. Re1 d5 10. Ng5 Qf6


Just got it a little while back and then remembered your question and looked at the contents. I don't believe it's covered.

7.Re1 and then 8.c3 is.

Feel free to ask me anything you want.
  

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Re: 1.e4 e5 - An active Repertoire for Black
Reply #42 - 08/30/12 at 07:31:10
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Markovich wrote on 08/30/12 at 02:43:58:
Do we need this? To me it seems unconstructive.



This is a warning for everyone who want to buy this crap produced by Lilov. Michalchishin was never honest with his analysis even whith his pupils in Poland (ask GM Kaminski) but Lilov is just lazy and he is giving worst stuff available on DVDs. Much worse than higly criticized Dzindzi. So this is a warning: Michalchishin DVD is not good but save your money and don't buy anything from Lilov because it's 1000x worse than from Michalchishin. This is a good place to write a bit about level of these Dvd's. People should know who is not treating them seriosly and just want their money for giving back analysis full of flaws and repertoire holes. Michalchishin DVD is full of such things and even more of them you can find in works of Lilov who is "Eric Schiller of chess DVD's"
  

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Reply #41 - 08/30/12 at 02:48:14
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Reply #40 - 08/30/12 at 02:43:58
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Do we need this? To me it seems unconstructive.
  

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Re: 1.e4 e5 - An active Repertoire for Black
Reply #39 - 08/26/12 at 17:01:28
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Ender wrote on 08/26/12 at 10:41:05:
ghenghisclown wrote on 08/26/12 at 01:57:50:
I got the DVD. It kinda sucks.


You need to reasess meaning of "sucks" Wink Just buy some DVDs from Lilov hehe Wink




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Reply #38 - 08/26/12 at 10:41:05
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ghenghisclown wrote on 08/26/12 at 01:57:50:
I got the DVD. It kinda sucks.


You need to reasess meaning of "sucks" Wink Just buy some DVDs from Lilov hehe Wink

  

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Reply #37 - 08/26/12 at 10:03:30
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In their defence, Chessbase usually produce much better products. I liked the exchange sac DVD, Gustafsson, the Scandinavian (with some reservations but no doubt quality) and many of the '60 min' series. But forgetting to include a video and declining to comment altogether is lame.
  
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Re: 1.e4 e5 - An active Repertoire for Black
Reply #36 - 08/26/12 at 09:16:45
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gwnn wrote on 08/26/12 at 07:01:40:
We kinda warned you no? And still no answer from Chessbase Smiley



LOL, correct! I guess I was curious about 3...g6 and his handling of the Vienna and Four Knights, plus the King's Gambit. But it's way too hurried in a lot of places and he doesn't choose the best lines. There is some food for thought though...

However, this is going to be the last chessbase DVD for a long while...
  

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Reply #35 - 08/26/12 at 07:01:40
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We kinda warned you no? And still no answer from Chessbase Smiley
  
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Reply #34 - 08/26/12 at 01:57:50
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I got the DVD. It kinda sucks.
  

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Reply #33 - 08/14/12 at 12:30:22
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That seems entirely reasonable Smiley (Fun to contrast this with the thread just above of course Wink)

I still find the idea that such a natural move as 6.. Bc5 spent so long being 'unplayable' deeply amusing. A tiny bit scared of the 20+ move deep theory that nn vs Shirov has developed in its main line mind.
  
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Reply #32 - 08/13/12 at 10:52:44
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Martin C, yes the Kasparov-Kramnik line can be improved earlier with White getting a bigger edge form the endgame one.

Paddy, i agree on everything you said. Maybe it is not obvious to everyone, but i have analysed a lot and i have a large file with analysis on this ...Bd6, so my "conclusions" are not based ONLY on general terms. But of course you didn't know that and i didn't say  that in my previous posts. But yes, i cannot but agree simply with everything in you last post. I haven't checked your analysis in the pgn yet though....

From what i have seen, the ...Bb7-d3! system is at least annoying in practise with many positions being slightly worse for Black all the time. That's why i like the Neo-Archangel with ...Bc5 much more. This is my opinion.
  
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Reply #31 - 08/13/12 at 09:59:09
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Yes, there's a big difference between the commitment to an early Bb7 being ideal in a position where white hasn't yet played h3 and it turning a roughly equal position into a terrible one. We're only talking about half a tempo extra for white, and that in a relatively slow position.

Incidentally, is that Bc5 line from Kasparov - Kramnik really do bad? Its very much - two bishops for an extra doubled B pawn - the sort of thing that black seems to be doing nowadays and it does seem a priori at least semi plausible to recapture on a8 with the Q instead of the bishop to dodge the ending, not that that's so terrible.
(I'd post the moves but not to hand and can't be at all sure of remembering them right Smiley)
  
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Reply #30 - 08/12/12 at 12:11:42
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TN wrote on 08/11/12 at 15:52:23:
I haven't checked the analysis but in PANFR's post above, I'd always thought 11...Nd4 was the critical move, and that 12.Bd2 was the best response, leading to positions somewhere between += and =.

That was my impression as well, but the plan with ...Nxe5 and ...Qd6 seems to be very good for Black, and is scoring extremely well. Svidler failed to get any advantage with it against Anna Muzychuk recently, Kamsky held it's own quite easily against Gashimov, Yu Yangyi tried too hard and lost against Tomashevsky, and generally in the 2500+ league Black is scoring a stunning 75% in my database (admittedly, the games are not many).
Larry Kaufmann also seems to have faith in Black's position, which means that engines approve Black's concept...  Tongue
  
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Re: 1.e4 e5 - An active Repertoire for Black
Reply #29 - 08/12/12 at 11:15:11
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Ametanoitos wrote on 08/11/12 at 10:13:25:
My impression is the same. The ...d5 sac must be the way forward for Black.

In the Arch-Bd6 line i just share with you something interesting:

7. d3 Bd6 and now 8. Bg5!? h6
(8... Na5 is met strongly by 9. d4!)
9. Bh4 Ne7
(9... O-O 10. a4!? and if 10... Re8 11. axb5 axb5 12.  Rxa8 Bxa8 13. Nc3 with a rather big edge)
10. Bxf6 gxf6  and Black is in bad shape as was shown in a recent game from the Greek league Iskos- Tcihlis, Rion 2012.

Sorry, but i cannot trust this line for Black. Let me remind you that  a few years back the d3 lines in the Ruy Lopez in general were considered harmless and now see the boost of popularity the 6.d3 (no Re1) line against the main line Ruy Lopez enjoys for the White side! d3 lines are still harmless in theory, but their reputation as great practical devices has raised a lot between GMs. So, if the d3 line in the Arch was considere quite critical years ago, nowdays that we know that the d3 lines are better than we thought they were, it is logical to think that this aproach gains power against the Arch also. If the d3 Arch was so harmless, everybody would play Bb7 in the 6.d3 line which was so popular in 2011 and the start of 2012 (now i think that the correct solutions for Black have been found).


I value your opinion and even share your “mistrust” (I always like best to play White in these positions) but I prefer the process of analysis and assessment to try to reach the truth, rather than the “a priori” type of argument. Besides, there are some logical flaws:
A) generalising from a single poor example: Black’s play in the game Iskos-Tsichlis was simply very bad, and the search for improvements can start on move 8.
B)  the “straw man” - no-one, least of all me,  is arguing that the 7 d3 line against the Arkhangelsk is harmless; as I tried to explain in my previous post, I find it to be a very logical response to an early ...Bb7 and it must be treated very seriously by Black;
C) even if ...Bb7 in the 4.0-0 Nf6 5 0-0 Be7 6.d3 line is sub-optimal, that does not mean that it must be bad, and (therefore) that the Arkhangelsk is also bad. (“The best is the enemy of the good.”)

Finally I would say that any general line of argument based on “authority”, such as “Nobody plays this, so it must be bad” is not only a lazy one, but one that discourages creativity and hinders the progress of theory. Theory develops PRECISELY because someone at some time  is stubborn enough to try to make a line work, even though both theory and practice currently disapprove of it (see Kasparov’s book “Revolution in the 70s”  for many examples of this - and a certain recent book on the QGD Tarrasch also springs to mind  Smiley ).

I am encouraged by the fact that several strong players have played  the Arkhangelsk in 2011-12, and some of these have answered 7 d3 with 7..Bd6 (e.g. M.Bartel (around 2650) has played it three times). I found 24 games with 7...Bd6 in 2011-12, with White scoring only the normal 54%. However I regard this is “secondary” evidence, merely indicative that it is worth “digging” in this field.

I think that 8 Bg5 is unlikely to pose a serious theoretical challenge. I am rather more concerned about 8 a4 and 8 a3. In such positions the pin on the king's knight tends to be ineffective, since a) Black can simply unpin with ...Be7, leaving the white bishop rather misplaced on g5, with nothing to do except retreat or exchange itself for the knight - the latter is rarely useful to White, since d5 is not a real hole (...c6 is still available). By the way, leaving open this ...Be7 retreat by delaying ...d6 is the key idea of the move-order for Black against the Italian Game recommended in the recent book "The Open Games for Black" by Lysyj and Ovetchkin.
b) Black has not castled, so can consider (after ...h6) playing ...g5, as pointed out by Steinitz some time ago...  Wink

I offer an updated the pgn file with some tentative analysis. I don’t think we are at all close to the truth yet.

  

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Reply #28 - 08/11/12 at 17:14:51
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Thanks for replying, Paddy & Nikos. Yes, it appears the rare but nasty 8.Bg5 is good for White. Maybe
7...h6 ... ? LOL.
  

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Reply #27 - 08/11/12 at 15:52:23
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I haven't checked the analysis but in PANFR's post above, I'd always thought 11...Nd4 was the critical move, and that 12.Bd2 was the best response, leading to positions somewhere between += and =.
  

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Reply #26 - 08/11/12 at 15:45:32
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What an interesting discussion.

After 7...Bd6, the move 8.a4 scores very well, 64.8 percent, in 125 games in my data base.  So this would seem to be a critical reaction.

Edit: E.g, 8...0-0 9.axb5 axb5 10.Rxa8 Qxa8 11.Bg5 Be7 12.Nc3 looks troublesome.
  

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Reply #25 - 08/11/12 at 10:13:25
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My impression is the same. The ...d5 sac must be the way forward for Black.

In the Arch-Bd6 line i just share with you something interesting:

7. d3 Bd6 and now 8. Bg5!? h6
(8... Na5 is met strongly by 9. d4!)
9. Bh4 Ne7
(9... O-O 10. a4!? and if 10... Re8 11. axb5 axb5 12.  Rxa8 Bxa8 13. Nc3 with a rather big edge)
10. Bxf6 gxf6  and Black is in bad shape as was shown in a recent game from the Greek league Iskos- Tcihlis, Rion 2012.

Sorry, but i cannot trust this line for Black. Let me remind you that  a few years back the d3 lines in the Ruy Lopez in general were considered harmless and now see the boost of popularity the 6.d3 (no Re1) line against the main line Ruy Lopez enjoys for the White side! d3 lines are still harmless in theory, but their reputation as great practical devices has raised a lot between GMs. So, if the d3 line in the Arch was considere quite critical years ago, nowdays that we know that the d3 lines are better than we thought they were, it is logical to think that this aproach gains power against the Arch also. If the d3 Arch was so harmless, everybody would play Bb7 in the 6.d3 line which was so popular in 2011 and the start of 2012 (now i think that the correct solutions for Black have been found).
  
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Reply #24 - 08/11/12 at 08:15:42
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My impression is that Black is quite comfortable in the h3 Anti- Marshall.
Heres is sample analysis (not a complete work) but I believe it shows that Black's initiative is quite dangerous.
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Reply #23 - 08/10/12 at 11:08:37
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In your line 9..Nd4 Paddy the engines recommend 12 Ng3 instead of 12 f4! due to ..c4 being good against f4 it seems? After the normal 9..h6 instead in your main line the engine suggests 10 Be3.  After 9.. h6 10 h3 the engine this time suggests 10.. Nd4! being good/ok for black.
Interesting line this.
  
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Reply #22 - 08/09/12 at 14:49:27
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Ametanoitos wrote on 08/09/12 at 14:28:05:
I'm going to edit somewhat the Bologan lines (copyright issues) and paste them here.

I have no such qualms.
Arkhangelsk Defence with 7 d3

There is an argument that 7 d3 is particularly justified here, since by playing his bishop so early to b7 Black has shown his hand, granting White certain privileges:
a)      White will not have to play h3 in the near future to prevent a ...Bg4 pin, so will be a tempo up compared, for example, with the 8 h3 Anti-Marshall.
b)      Black will be unable, except at considerable cost in time, to oppose White’s bishop with ...Be6, if White decides to keep it operating on the “Italian” diagonal a2-g8.
c)      White can devote resources towards making it very difficult for Black to play ...d5, thus the Arkhangelsk bishop on b7 might find it hard to develop any activity;
d)      by keeping his bishop on the a2-g8 diagonal, White retains pressure on f7, which means that in some lines Black might have to spend a move on playing ...h6 to prevent Ng5;
e)      f5 is an even more than usually inviting square for a white knight, in the absence of Black’s bishop from the c8-h3 diagonal, and especially if Black has played ...h6, making it difficult or impossible for Black to contest the f5-square with ...g6.

What counter-arguments can Black summon in reply? Very few, but they do have some power.

a)      7 d3 is a quiet move that puts no immediate pressure on Black’s centre (e5), so Black has a breathing space to organize his position.
b)      thus far Black has been playing soundly, in accordance with the approved opening principles; his only “sin” is the peccadillo of having committed his bishop to b7 rather early.
c)      in compensation, he has not yet committed his queen’s pawn or his king’s bishop, which has a choice of four squares.

So much for the theoretical background. Let’s try to be a bit more specific and examine Black’s three main options.

7...Bc5 develops the bishop to an aggressive diagonal; if White wants to swat it away with c3, d4, this will now cost him a tempo. However, the move scores quite badly for Black (White scores 64% from 435 games in Megabase) and it seems that most strong Arkhangelsk supporters have been avoiding this move since the debacle of Carlsen-Beliavsky, 2006. It is very easy for the two black bishops to be left merely spectating on the queenside, while White is hacking away on the kingside. There is one Marshall-like forcing line which was tried (by transposition) in the Kasparov-Kramnik match in 2000; it leads to an ending of R+6P vs. B+B+4P which Kramnil drew as Black, but it is difficult to be enthusiastic about such a line. Kramnik annotated the game extensively in Informant 80.

7...Be7 has, in recent years, been the main choice of  strong Arkhangelsk supporters and is covered, albeit not very rigorously in my view, on Mikhalchisin’s DVD. Most of his pupils now play this and I note that it is the regular choice of Pogonina, who has been playing the Arkhangelsk a lot since she switched to 1...e5 from the Dragon. 7...Be7 intuitively feels the most sound and reliable response to 7 d3. However, in addition to transpositions to various Anti-Marshalls, Black must be prepared for several different approaches from White’s flexible position: c3 or a3 or a4 or c4; Nc3 or Nbd2. White is able to retain this flexibility for as long as Black is not threatening ...Na5. In Megabase White scores 57% from 721 games after 7...Be7 (not including later transpositions).

7...Bd6 is in some ways the most fascinating option. White scores 54% from 226 games. Black develops a piece (albeit to a square from which it will almost certainly have to move again), prepares castling, and by defending the e5-pawn immediately threatens ...Na5, bagging the bishop pair, thus almost forcing White to decide right away between a3, a4, c3 (or even c4). The bishop can later move “out” from d6 to c5 or b4, or “in” to e7 (to break any Bg5-pin) or, more likely, to f8, after ...Re8. This line has been played by Mikhalchisin’s former pupil Mateusz Bartel (on the occasions when he has not felt like relying on his usual French). Bartel wrote of 7 d3: “This is surely not the most critical answer.”

N.B. Obviously if Black retreats the bishop from d6 to f8 in the near future, then transposition to some 7...Be7 line or Anti-Marshall is quite likely.

I don’t find Bologan’s analysis very convincing against 7...Bd6. He gives.1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O b5 6. Bb3 Bb7 7. d3 Bd6 8. a3 O-O 9. Nc3 and now he considers only 9... Ne7 and 9...h6, but 9...Nd4 (as suggested by Houdini) looks interesting and might be playable.
After 9...h6 Bologan suggests 10. h3 Re8 11. Be3 Bf8 12. Re1 d6 13. Nd5 as better for White, but to me this looks like a perfectly playable (if not very exciting) position for Black.  Bologan then considers 13...Nd7 but this is surely not the only move. I suggest that 13... Na5 14. Ba2 c5 deserves consideration.

Brief PGN attached. Comments welcome, of course.

Caveats: I have not been able to refer to Mikhalchisin’s original DVD devoted to the Arkhangelsk nor to the relevant volume in Khalifman’s OFWATA series.
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I'm going to edit somewhat the Bologan lines (copyright issues) and paste them here.
  
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Reply #20 - 08/09/12 at 01:54:21
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Ametanoitos wrote on 08/01/12 at 13:08:52:
No, i disagree. It is quite "lethal" if you compare the h3-Anti Marshall (where Black has to play well to equalise and even if he does White has a quite pleasant position as was shown by Bologan in his Ruy Lopez DVD Vol 2) with this line, you'll see that this tempo is very important (the not-h3 move). Also, the Bd6 variation is well known, but it doesn't equalise as shown again by Bologan in his DVD. Black's game is unpleasant. If there was not it, everyone would play the Archangel because in the "old" main lines of this opening there seems that nothing is wrong! At least, this is my view. Maybe i am wrong....



Well, are we going to see the refutation of what I gave, or a sample line??
  

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Reply #19 - 08/01/12 at 14:25:41
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Well lethal or not there definetly won't be a 'best' way to handle it - its rather too slow/flexible for that Smiley It's whether you're giving white slightly more than he deserves/you want to in a slow position.

That's a fairly subjective judgement really, so if you like the rest of the lines then have a look at the games involving this and decide how you feel about how they tend to go.
(And the anologous anti Marshalls so you can see what the tempo difference is like Smiley).
  
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Reply #18 - 08/01/12 at 13:24:11
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Ametanoitos wrote on 08/01/12 at 13:08:52:
No, i disagree. It is quite "lethal" if you compare the h3-Anti Marshall (where Black has to play well to equalise and even if he does White has a quite pleasant position as was shown by Bologan in his Ruy Lopez DVD Vol 2) with this line, you'll see that this tempo is very important (the not-h3 move). Also, the Bd6 variation is well known, but it doesn't equalise as shown again by Bologan in his DVD. Black's game is unpleasant. If there was not it, everyone would play the Archangel because in the "old" main lines of this opening there seems that nothing is wrong! At least, this is my view. Maybe i am wrong....



Well, I can't really comment on this because I don't have the DVD. You guys' point about the h3 tempo is understandable, of course. I just don't really think that's totally critical as someone may argue (as I think Kosten has elsewhere on here) that d3 doesn't really much give White the advantage because this is normally achieved by c3 and d4 (which is really why h3 is necessary).

Plus, the argument that the variation must be defective because it's currently unfashionable - well, I prefer to see analytical evidence. It appears that since this line still appears in (strong)master praxis, that a lot of White players don't know the "best" way to handle it either...or at least in a way that suggests a characterization of "lethal."
  

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No, i disagree. It is quite "lethal" if you compare the h3-Anti Marshall (where Black has to play well to equalise and even if he does White has a quite pleasant position as was shown by Bologan in his Ruy Lopez DVD Vol 2) with this line, you'll see that this tempo is very important (the not-h3 move). Also, the Bd6 variation is well known, but it doesn't equalise as shown again by Bologan in his DVD. Black's game is unpleasant. If there was not it, everyone would play the Archangel because in the "old" main lines of this opening there seems that nothing is wrong! At least, this is my view. Maybe i am wrong....
  
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Reply #16 - 08/01/12 at 12:07:04
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Good enough quite possibly. That's not quite the issue though because an early d3 like this can't ever be lethal.

The 'problem' is more that this approach works out a bit better for white here than in the anti Marshalls or the 6.. Bc5 move order where he has to go h3 to provoke Bb7.

Since there's no major a priori loss of soundness elsewhere, it suppose that it tends to viewed as a tiny bit unessecary to allow it. A bit like the Keres attack in some ways I suppose?

Of course both the Marshall and 6.. Bc5 do commit to some non trivial, independent theory so you might prefer those lines after 6.. Bb7 to put up with it.
  
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Reply #15 - 08/01/12 at 08:39:00
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Ametanoitos wrote on 07/20/12 at 19:06:40:
My problem with the Archangel is that when White sees the ...Bb7 move he plays d3! In his first DVD Mikhalsitchin recommended ...Be7 which is correct, but never said anything about the line recommended by Vigorito in his "Understanding the Marshal Attack" (he didn't actually recommended it, he just mentioned it comparing it with an Anti-Marshal line). White plays Re1-Nbd2 and when ...d6 then a3! (like the h3 anti-Marshal but without the move h3!. Also it is important to mention that even with h3 Bologan thinks that White is a bit better. The same opinion had Khalifman many years ago...)

So, what does he give againt the d3 line now? Again ...Be7 and all the Nc3 lines without mentioning the Nbd2 system?





I read this kind of thing in another thread...but yet strong players still play this way...so I've briefly (I need to stress that) looked into it. It seems to me that :


1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O b5 6. Bb3 Bb7 7.d3 Bd6 8. c3 ( 8. a4 h6 seems to do well for Black )O-O ( 8... Ne7 maybe?  )9. Nbd2 h6 10. d4 ( 10. a3 Re8 11. Nh4 Bf8 12. Ng6 Bc5 13.Nf3 d5 14. exd5 and Black can take by with the Knight or play 14...Na5  )10... Re8

should be good enough. Or did I miss something?
  

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Reply #14 - 07/25/12 at 12:13:08
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Noone should believe Mikhalchishin analysis. He has bad reputation in Poland. Many years ago he was trainig one of the best polish talents (later strong GM) and he was with him on tournament abroad (I think Netherlands, but I'm not 100% sure). They played a game and Mihalchishin choosed variation which he previously analysed with his pupil. His conclusion during analysis was "black is ok". So polish player repeated the moves and Mikhachishin played stronger line at some point and won the game. He was fired immidiately after the game because he has no coaching etics. I dont believe even in one line from this guy.


Another take on this is Mikhalchishin gave his pupil their most important lesson   Smiley

  

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Reply #13 - 07/25/12 at 12:09:00
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Ender wrote on 07/21/12 at 08:35:49:
Noone should believe Mikhalchishin analysis. He has bad reputation in Poland. Many years ago he was trainig one of the best polish talents (later strong GM) and he was with him on tournament abroad (I think Netherlands, but I'm not 100% sure). They played a game and Mihalchishin choosed variation which he previously analysed with his pupil. His conclusion during analysis was "black is ok". So polish player repeated the moves and Mikhachishin played stronger line at some point and won the game. He was fired immidiately after the game because he has no coaching etics. I dont believe even in one line from this guy.


Well, I would need a lot more evidence than this to make such a sweeping judgement on Mikhalchishin's character. Why should Mikhalchishin "cut his own throat" (financially) like this? If he has such a bad reputation, why is still he able to earn a living as a coach?

As a junior coach, I have often found myself in the situation of having to play against one of my students, usually in rapidplay events. Since I don't like pre-arranged results, we both play to win. If my student decides to play something we have analysed together, I will usually deviate with some secondary (but playable) line, e.g. if I have prepared my student to answer 1 e4 with e5 and thus to have some defence against the Spanish as his main repertoire choice, I might play a quiet line with an early d3, so we have a slow battle with equal chances, in which my greater experience might count. I do not see that there is anything wrong in this - the coach is fully entitled to play for a win! I suspect that Mikhalchishin might have done something similar, but the student (or parent) reacted badly. However, perhaps Mikhalchishin should have established more clearly the "rules of engagement" before the game.
  
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Reply #12 - 07/25/12 at 07:37:51
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TopNotch wrote on 07/25/12 at 03:16:11:
Ender wrote on 07/21/12 at 08:35:49:
Noone should believe Mikhalchishin analysis. He has bad reputation in Poland. Many years ago he was trainig one of the best polish talents (later strong GM) and he was with him on tournament abroad (I think Netherlands, but I'm not 100% sure). They played a game and Mihalchishin choosed variation which he previously analysed with his pupil. His conclusion during analysis was "black is ok". So polish player repeated the moves and Mikhachishin played stronger line at some point and won the game. He was fired immidiately after the game because he has no coaching etics. I dont believe even in one line from this guy.


I think it was more than a bit cheeky for the pupil to try and profit from shared analysis against his own teacher, don't you agree. In any case that age old Maxim still applies when it comes to analysis, trust but verify, and that goes for trainers analysis as well. Curiously though, I wonder what would have happened had it been the pupil that found a hole in Mikhalchisin's analysis, would he have revealed it or used it against his teacher. Food for thought.   




Pupil played as white. Mihalcisin choose the line their was analysing shortly before the game so the pupil took it as a invitation to a draw. Then Mihalcisin played stronger move and won the game. This is DISGUISTING. He was payed very good money and was on tournament with his pupil as a tutor. If you want to take money from someone you should not hide something. This is how it works. I would fired this guy in this situation too. Mihalcisin is well known for not being honest with his pupils and this is the reason I don't trust his analysis for CB. This is only easy money for him, he will not reveal NOTHING. No work ethic at all.
  

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Reply #11 - 07/25/12 at 06:45:05
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So, he doesn't cover the TKD well, TopNotch. How does he do with the Bc5 Scotch??

(Forgive me for discussing a non-Spanish opening here, just want a quick answer, please?  Smiley )
  

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Reply #10 - 07/25/12 at 03:16:11
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Ender wrote on 07/21/12 at 08:35:49:
Noone should believe Mikhalchishin analysis. He has bad reputation in Poland. Many years ago he was trainig one of the best polish talents (later strong GM) and he was with him on tournament abroad (I think Netherlands, but I'm not 100% sure). They played a game and Mihalchishin choosed variation which he previously analysed with his pupil. His conclusion during analysis was "black is ok". So polish player repeated the moves and Mikhachishin played stronger line at some point and won the game. He was fired immidiately after the game because he has no coaching etics. I dont believe even in one line from this guy.


I think it was more than a bit cheeky for the pupil to try and profit from shared analysis against his own teacher, don't you agree. In any case that age old Maxim still applies when it comes to analysis, trust but verify, and that goes for trainers analysis as well. Curiously though, I wonder what would have happened had it been the pupil that found a hole in Mikhalchisin's analysis, would he have revealed it or used it against his teacher. Food for thought.   

Regarding the DVD, I found the presentation a bit rushed and superficial in quite a few places, in particular critical lines of the Two Knights Defence barely scratched the surface. Still it is encouraging that he plays all or most of the lines he suggests on the DVD, and there is little overlap with other DVD's covering the same topic.

Overall I would have to rate this DVD as average, Mikhalchishin bites off more than he can chew in trying to offer a complete Black 1.e4 e5 Rep in one DVD. Gustaffson's 2dvd set is much better, providing depth of analysis delivered in an engaging and unrushed presentation.

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Reply #9 - 07/25/12 at 01:23:02
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Ametanoitos wrote on 07/20/12 at 19:06:40:
My problem with the Archangel is that when White sees the ...Bb7 move he plays d3! In his first DVD Mikhalsitchin recommended ...Be7 which is correct, but never said anything about the line recommended by Vigorito in his "Understanding the Marshal Attack" (he didn't actually recommended it, he just mentioned it comparing it with an Anti-Marshal line). White plays Re1-Nbd2 and when ...d6 then a3! (like the h3 anti-Marshal but without the move h3!. Also it is important to mention that even with h3 Bologan thinks that White is a bit better. The same opinion had Khalifman many years ago...)

So, what does he give againt the d3 line now? Again ...Be7 and all the Nc3 lines without mentioning the Nbd2 system?


I read this kind of thing in another thread...but yet strong players still play this way...so I've briefly (I need to stress that) looked into it. It seems to me that :


1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O b5 6. Bb3 Bb7 7.d3 Bd6 8. c3 ( 8. a4 h6 seems to do well for Black )O-O ( 8... Ne7 maybe?  )9. Nbd2 h6 10. d4 ( 10. a3 Re8 11. Nh4 Bf8 12. Ng6 Bc5 13.Nf3 d5 14. exd5 and Black can take by with the Knight or play 14...Na5  )10... Re8

should be good enough. Or did I miss something?
  

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Reply #8 - 07/21/12 at 10:04:02
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Vass wrote on 07/21/12 at 09:49:29:
Ender wrote on 07/21/12 at 08:51:54:
Ametanoitos wrote on 07/20/12 at 19:06:40:
So, what does he give againt the d3 line now? Again ...Be7 and all the Nc3 lines without mentioning the Nbd2 system?


He didn't even bother to mention this line.

Can you give us the exact moves?

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Strange story!? I never heard about it..
I thought of Mikhalchishin as one of the best trainers altogether..  Embarrassed
Or I was wrong..  Undecided


This story is true and shows how this guy is not honest with his pupils.

Re line : he didn't even mention d3-a3-nbd2 plan. Onl d3 and Nc3
  

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Reply #7 - 07/21/12 at 09:49:29
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Ender wrote on 07/21/12 at 08:51:54:
Ametanoitos wrote on 07/20/12 at 19:06:40:
So, what does he give againt the d3 line now? Again ...Be7 and all the Nc3 lines without mentioning the Nbd2 system?


He didn't even bother to mention this line.

Can you give us the exact moves?

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Strange story!? I never heard about it..
I thought of Mikhalchishin as one of the best trainers altogether..  Embarrassed
Or I was wrong..  Undecided
  
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Ametanoitos wrote on 07/20/12 at 19:06:40:
So, what does he give againt the d3 line now? Again ...Be7 and all the Nc3 lines without mentioning the Nbd2 system?


He didn't even bother to mention this line.
  

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Noone should believe Mikhalchishin analysis. He has bad reputation in Poland. Many years ago he was trainig one of the best polish talents (later strong GM) and he was with him on tournament abroad (I think Netherlands, but I'm not 100% sure). They played a game and Mihalchishin choosed variation which he previously analysed with his pupil. His conclusion during analysis was "black is ok". So polish player repeated the moves and Mikhachishin played stronger line at some point and won the game. He was fired immidiately after the game because he has no coaching etics. I dont believe even in one line from this guy.
  

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My problem with the Archangel is that when White sees the ...Bb7 move he plays d3! In his first DVD Mikhalsitchin recommended ...Be7 which is correct, but never said anything about the line recommended by Vigorito in his "Understanding the Marshal Attack" (he didn't actually recommended it, he just mentioned it comparing it with an Anti-Marshal line). White plays Re1-Nbd2 and when ...d6 then a3! (like the h3 anti-Marshal but without the move h3!. Also it is important to mention that even with h3 Bologan thinks that White is a bit better. The same opinion had Khalifman many years ago...)

So, what does he give againt the d3 line now? Again ...Be7 and all the Nc3 lines without mentioning the Nbd2 system?
  
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Reply #3 - 07/06/12 at 08:52:30
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I forget to look there, thanks Seeley.
  

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I was originally going to move this thread, but since the book covers two of the sub-forums here, it makes some sense to have one for discussing the Spanish section of the repertoire and one for the non-Spanish section. So I won't merge this thread, for now.
  

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There's already a thread on this DVD in the Non-Spanish section of the forum, where your question is answered! Smiley

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There is a new DVD by Adrian Mikhalchishin with a complete repertoire in the Open Games, video running time: 6 hrs. 48 min.

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For young and developing players a very important piece of advice is to study open positions and to understand the value of coordination of the pieces plus the role of the centre. These goals can be achieved just by answering 1.e4 with 1...e5.

Some players claim that these positions are not sharp and interesting enough, and they believe that different Sicilians should be one’s choice, but that is not completely correct. The idea of this DVD is to show that 1.e4 e5 can be extremely entertaining and that Black can obtain interesting counterplay in every opening.

There are two lines proposed in the Spanish systems plus the most active alternatives against other white choices.


The Two Knights is one interesting choice, but anyone knows what are the two proposed lines against the Spanish?
  

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