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Re: Ruy Lopez Center Attack
Reply #10 - 07/13/12 at 14:17:52
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Speaking of fun, I have thought there is more potential for it with 7. Re1 b5 8. e5.  In recent years I think I may have seen the view expressed that Black should even be better, but my awareness is mainly of a couple of games from long ago:  Weinstein-Chellstorp and an endgame win for White in a game between two teenagers:  Ribli-Karpov.
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez Center Attack
Reply #9 - 07/13/12 at 09:40:56
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Have a look at Marin's Spanish repertoire book. IMO the lines he suggests there are optimal for Black.
Yes, 10.Nxe7+ may equalize (although Black can try for more with 11...Ng6, which wins a pawn after 12.f3 (12.f4 f6! can be good only for Black) Nc5 13.Bc2 Nxe5 14.b4 Ne6, when I feel white has enough compensation for his pawn, but the onus is on him to prove it.
7.Re1 is supposed to be more fun, but after 7...b5! 8.Bb3 d6 9.Bd5 Nxd5 10.ed5 Ne5 11.Nxd4 0-0, I honestly believe white has no equality- Black's position has a lot of potential (mainly due to his powerful bishop pair).
  
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Reply #8 - 07/13/12 at 02:16:37
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Moderator's Note: I corrected the spelling of the thread title, so that someone searching for 'Lopez' finds this thread.
  

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Re: Ruy Lopez Center Attack
Reply #7 - 07/12/12 at 17:55:55
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Well, 10. Nxe7+ has been considered in books as leading to equality, which certainly looks plausible to me ...

I notice also that such books have given 11...d6 (instead of Williams' 11...Re8) as leading to equality.
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Re: Ruy Lopez Center Attack
Reply #6 - 07/12/12 at 17:33:38
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It seems that 10.Bxc6 might be the culprit.  Maybe 10.Nxe7+ is better. Below is some analysis on that move. Honestly, I'm not sure how meaningful my analysis because there are a lot of reasonable moves for both sides. White can certainly not be worse from playing this and may come out ahead due to his familiarity with the resulting positions.

I'll have to look at the 7.Re1 move. GM Nigel Davies thinks its a better move(play 1.e4 e5!).

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Re: Ruy Lopez Center Attack
Reply #5 - 07/12/12 at 14:24:00
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I have played this line as well as 7.Re1 many times in the past with white, achieving very good results.
That said, against proper play white has some trouble equalizing...  Wink
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Re: Ruy Lopez Center Attack
Reply #4 - 07/12/12 at 13:35:51
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ghenghisclown wrote on 07/12/12 at 07:49:59:
I didn't know the Ginger GM plays 1...e5  !

Must have been a mouse slip, it happens to everyone.
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Re: Ruy Lopez Center Attack
Reply #3 - 07/12/12 at 08:47:56
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Fllg wrote on 07/12/12 at 07:33:30:
8.Nxd4 0-0 (instead of 8... Nxd4) 9.Nf5 d5! is a well established line which is considered comfortable for Black. White´s score isn´t impressive here.  Sad

Indeed!  Wink
A good illustrative game can be this one: (though white could improve with 16.Na4)

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Re: Ruy Lopez Center Attack
Reply #2 - 07/12/12 at 07:49:59
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I didn't know the Ginger GM plays 1...e5  !
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Re: Ruy Lopez Center Attack
Reply #1 - 07/12/12 at 07:33:30
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8.Nxd4 0-0 (instead of 8... Nxd4) 9.Nf5 d5! is a well established line which is considered comfortable for Black. White´s score isn´t impressive here.  Sad
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Ruy Lopez Center Attack
07/12/12 at 06:46:49
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The following game really impressed me. The line white played is called the center attack, I think. Anyway, I always thought it was a duffers line, but look at the practical problems it gives a GM  in the following game.  Has anyone analyzed this line for white? Is it as complicated as this game makes it seem or does black have a easy well worked out defense that most 1..e5 players know?

this variation is rare in my opinion, so i would be surprised if black players knew off hand how to handle it.

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