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Reply #36 - 08/19/12 at 05:42:52
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Reply #35 - 08/10/12 at 09:26:44
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No, it's not a "special genetics for running" that separates Jamaica from other nations. There have been cultural and genetic studies done. The genetic pool of Jamaicans does not differ substantially from other areas that have few if any world-class athletes. 

I don't deny that genetics are important, but the culture of Jamaica is almost certainly the best explanation for the recent surge in sprinters there. 

Jamaicans themselves tout their diet, their climate, and their genetics. But scientists have found no special benefit from any of those three elements that would explain why Jamaica is great and other nations are not.
  
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Reply #34 - 08/10/12 at 08:39:30
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Uhohspaghettio -The others were like how a lot of Catalans consider themselves separate from Spaniards in Spain

The funny thing about Catalans is that it is the region with the big debt in Spain and now they asked the government in Madrid to help them to pay the debt. After all, separated for the party, but united when they have to pay.  Smiley 

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Antillian -I came across this recently - if you rank medal count on a per capita basis or per GDP, Grenada and Jamaica top the standings.

Indeed, Jamaica is a study case to know why the best runners appear there. Their athletes have a special genetics for running. 
  

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Reply #33 - 08/09/12 at 21:20:54
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Minor nitpick: the 3-2-1 system for the three medals is not really the 'official' system. Usually they rate countries by gold medals (it would be something like 10000 for a gold, 100 for a silver and 1 for a bronze) or apparently in the US by total medals (weights of 1-1-1). I have seen 3-2-1 too but it's rare. I cannot find this scheme anywhere on london2012.com, for example.
  
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Reply #32 - 08/09/12 at 19:52:17
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I came across this recently - if you rank medal count on a per capita basis or per GDP, Grenada and Jamaica top the standings. 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/datablog/interactive/2012/aug/07/olympics-2012-a...

And fantastic 1-2-3 finish by Jamaica in the Men's 200 m today with Bolt now silencing all doubters for sure.
  

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Reply #31 - 08/09/12 at 19:28:11
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I'm talking about the people who did support the SU and did not consider themselves separate from the Russian people, which is a huge amount. The others were like how a lot of Catalans consider themselves separate from Spaniards in Spain today, not everyone is always happy to be part of a country. 
  
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Re: 2012 Olympics (Spoilers alerts)
Reply #30 - 08/09/12 at 04:37:20
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Uhohspaghettio wrote on 08/08/12 at 01:32:11:
Are they allowed to also support Russia now?

Did they ever support the SU?
  

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Reply #29 - 08/08/12 at 22:02:38
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If you're looking for utter domination, Chinese table tennis is an excellent example. BBC has a rather ridiculous piece claiming they are finally facing competition. But every table tennis gold medal went to the Chinese. That's about as dominating as you can get.
  
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Reply #28 - 08/08/12 at 21:43:01
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 08/08/12 at 15:16:52:
Anglo-Saxon isn't just a racial connotation, it's a cultural one. Clearly, USA, Canada, Australia, and even the UK have many races, but they are bound together by a common culture and language.  The language most used in Ireland and Scotland is English. They use the same court system and even have parliaments. Stefan's description is fully apt.

But I suspect the Anglo-Saxon nations as Stefan described them would outscore just about any other cultural group, including China or Slavic nations.

Probably except for the sports that are invrented by the British lke football and badminton Grin

Personally I think the olympics is a good passtime between the tour and the start of the football, though I must say the hockey is way more interesting to watch than a few years back. They have some improvements that are badly needed in football, like the use of cameras, time punishments, two referees and allowing for a free kick to be "passed to yourself" Oh and the stopping of the clock with an injury really helps as well in combination with a timer.  Smiley
  

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Reply #27 - 08/08/12 at 20:13:21
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Thought Allyson Felix was very impressive in women's 200m final just now, made it look very easy to win gold.
  
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Anglo-Saxon isn't just a racial connotation, it's a cultural one. Clearly, USA, Canada, Australia, and even the UK have many races, but they are bound together by a common culture and language.  The language most used in Ireland and Scotland is English. They use the same court system and even have parliaments. Stefan's description is fully apt.

But I suspect the Anglo-Saxon nations as Stefan described them would outscore just about any other cultural group, including China or Slavic nations.
  
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Reply #25 - 08/08/12 at 10:29:48
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Not actually sure quite how anglo saxon the Australians are Smiley (And America to a lesser extent.). 

Scotland/Ireland contain an awful lot of celtic/nordic heritage and isn't that where a lot of their population came from?
  
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Reply #24 - 08/08/12 at 10:26:02
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One good joke from a right (or conservative if you prefer) German newspaper: Two neighbours meet each one on his balkony after Italy won the football match. The one takes the German flag from the balkony. The other says: I'll let it hang showing my continuing support for our team. The one answers: I'm not interested in the Olympics.
  

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Re: 2012 Olympics (Spoilers alerts)
Reply #23 - 08/08/12 at 09:42:56
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Would be more interesting (closer) to compare medals won by "Anglo-Saxons" (USA, UK, AUS) vs Continental EU.
  
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Reply #22 - 08/08/12 at 09:28:28
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Smyslov_Fan - No, you misunderstood. It's impossible to state that Europe would win in a match between the US, China, Russia and Europe  in London 2012 because in order to do that, you would have to preselect the top three athletes from Europe. It would change the dynamic of qualifying, and many other aspects of the Games. 
Yes I agree, I was only refering to the total number of medals in London. I do not now in the future if Europe will win or not but Europe will be much more competitive that is for sure.
Of course it's possible for a continental Games to be organized. I just don't see it as desirable.

Yes, I agree.

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Willempie - Pff, how many WC's did West-Germany win and how many as Germany? Plus I think it would be similar to how we do the rest in Europe: An Italian as chief banker, a Belgian as political leader and a German as pope [quote]
In Olympics West Germany was strong in the cold war times and the a lot of athletes went to other countries but in football Germany win much more and became much stronger.

[quote]It's not a "big lesson" or "surprise" to me, it's totally obvious. You're not meant to take it so seriously. 
Of course I´m not taking it so seriously and is not a surprise but a big lesson in the value of the union compared to the value of a country alone. I do not see any point in individuals competitions but only in countries.

One group of people I feel sorry for though are the people who used to be part of a huge country like the Soviet Union, and now have tiny populations of a few million at most. Suddenly all their sports teams/participants are getting absolutely destroyed. Are they allowed to also support Russia now? 

Soviet Union was undemocratic and that is totally obvious to me like West Germany. Why do we need to compare with the worst examples and not the best? Why not comparing EU with US wich have the same democratic values and much more common way of life? If people want today status quo then ok and US and China will keep winning all the time. 
In football the same boring EU national championships that people are tired of seeing without any new refreshing ideas...
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Re: 2012 Olympics (Spoilers alerts)
Reply #21 - 08/08/12 at 01:32:11
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Mortal Games wrote on 08/06/12 at 15:34:34:
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Smyslov_Fan - Any thoughts or predictions about how individuals or nations will do?


Talking about nations, when someone thinks about super medalists the two names that appear are usually U.S.A. and China competing for first, but if we consider Europe as one nation, who is the surprising winner?  Wink Surprise! Surprise! This is a big lesson about the value of isolated countries and then united! Incredible doesn´t it?


It's not a "big lesson" or "surprise" to me, it's totally obvious. You're not meant to take it so seriously. 

One group of people I feel sorry for though are the people who used to be part of a huge country like the Soviet Union, and now have tiny populations of a few million at most. Suddenly all their sports teams/participants are getting absolutely destroyed. Are they allowed to also support Russia now? 
   
  
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Reply #20 - 08/07/12 at 22:29:13
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Utter domination is too early to call, but I'll bet the US basketball teams both win Gold. The Women's will win by double figures.
  
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Reply #19 - 08/07/12 at 19:39:54
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Mortal Games wrote on 08/06/12 at 15:34:34:
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Smyslov_Fan - Any thoughts or predictions about how individuals or nations will do?


Talking about nations, when someone thinks about super medalists the two names that appear are usually U.S.A. and China competing for first, but if we consider Europe as one nation, who is the surprising winner?  Wink Surprise! Surprise! This is a big lesson about the value of isolated countries and then united! Incredible doesn´t it? 

Pff, how many WC's did West-Germany win and how many as Germany? Plus I think it would be similar to how we do the rest in Europe: An Italian as chief banker, a Belgian as political leader and a German as pope Grin

Btw our chap at surfing was already the winner with 2 races to go, after he withdrew in the 10th race (because he had already had won), he got told to do his best in the last race at risk of disqualification.... Of course he then won the last one as well.

Speaking of which any candidates for utter domination? Our surfer guy, Bolt, Chinese at pingpong, British cycling teams?
  

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Reply #18 - 08/07/12 at 15:18:08
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No, you misunderstood. It's impossible to state that Europe would win in a match between the US, China, Russia and Europe  in London 2012 because in order to do that, you would have to preselect the top three athletes from Europe. It would change the dynamic of qualifying, and many other aspects of the Games. Of course it's possible for a continental Games to be organized. I just don't see it as desirable.


I personally prefer the somewhat antiquated notion of nations competing for sporting prizes. It makes sense to me that a people who share a culture, geography, and a language should compete against others of different nations in sports. 


  
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Right now it is, but the same way we had West Germany in the past that now is part of Germany it is always possible. 
In footbal for example, I heard a new idea of FIFA of an European club championship played by for example the two best teams in each country and the rest will continue to play the common championship. These novelties could boost much more interest and generate millions. Impossible is just a word that depends on the will of men.
  

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Reply #16 - 08/06/12 at 21:30:42
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Mortal Games, if you were to play that game, you would also have to pre-select which three individuals from all of Europe would make the team in any given sport.

That's an impossible proposition.
  
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Smyslov_Fan - Any thoughts or predictions about how individuals or nations will do?


Talking about nations, when someone thinks about super medalists the two names that appear are usually U.S.A. and China competing for first, but if we consider Europe as one nation, who is the surprising winner?  Wink Surprise! Surprise! This is a big lesson about the value of isolated countries and then united! Incredible doesn´t it? 

So far my interest is swimming, tennis, 100 meters running, ping pong and gymnastics - rings.
Sergey Bubka is not there, its a pity.
  

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Reply #14 - 08/05/12 at 22:42:03
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Bolt was incredible, probably would have broken the world record if it wasn't for his poor start, but as he said in the interview (with bbc) he was making sure not to be defaulted again. Really looking forward to the 200m now.

Big surprise of the night for me though was Christine Ohuruogu almost defending her 400m title. Must admit I was screaming "run" at the T.V when she was coming down the home straight from 5th to 4th to 3rd and finally to 2nd position. Have no doubt if it was a 410m race she'd have taken it, real heroic performace. Also hats off to Ben Ainslie, greatest Sailor of all time.
  
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Reply #13 - 08/05/12 at 22:05:05
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Of the Olympics, I have watched almost only the tennis so far (maybe four matches in total). Trying to limit the time I waste watching sports by focusing on only a select few! Chess is also allowed under my strict regime.

It's almost impossible to steer clear of all football (a.k.a soccer) though; that sport gets way too much attention for what often amounts to 90 minutes of boredom punctuated by the occasional blunder in defense.

I did catch the 100 meters final though. It took hardly more than 9.63 seconds of my time! Smiley
  

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Reply #12 - 08/05/12 at 20:54:59
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SPOILER ALERT!!


Bolt breaks his own Olympic Record! It was close, especially for the first 50 meters or so,  but he still dominated in the end. 

WOW!

Here in the US, NBC got this whole Olympics powerfully wrong. 

I love the live coverage of events not previously seen in the US, such as fencing, water polo, equestrian, and so on. 

But they don't show the main swimming, gymnastics, or track events live. 

I watched the event on NBC's online live streaming service. But the feed keeps breaking up. NBC says it's our computers, but reporters have tested this by using state-of-the-art new comps with great online service and it still breaks up.
  
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Reply #11 - 08/05/12 at 20:38:00
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I normally have no interest in the Olympics, but this time I am dipping into it and enjoying the success of TeamGB. Must be the home field advantage  Cool

Men's 100m finals coming up, and I'll be watching the Bolt fly!

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Reply #10 - 08/05/12 at 20:11:51
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I only watch the team games and the short stuff. The longer distance stuff is more boring to watch than a CK-100 move draw. I did quite enjoy the swimming and cycling as well as the trashing the Americans gave Nigeria in Basketball.

On the other hand there are quite some idiotic sports there, where I am wondering how they got in:
-bowshooting (=darts with help)
-Quick walking (=monty python meets the olympics), where every competitro should get disqualified
-triple jump (=for people who cant win at long jumping)
-trampoline jumping (next time there will be the swing as well)
-BMX (I knew I shouldnt have stopped when they got too small for me)

Just in, for the first time since Philidor's days we have a guy in the 100 meters final Shocked
Nice chap as well, judging from the interviews,
  

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TalJechin wrote on 08/05/12 at 08:55:38:
For some reason I've been totally uninterested in the Olympic games this time. Maybe it's too close to the Euro football championship... But somehow it just doesn't feel like a real Olympiad to me.  Undecided


Strangely, I feel exactly the same. Undecided
  
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For some reason I've been totally uninterested in the Olympic games this time. Maybe it's too close to the Euro football championship... But somehow it just doesn't feel like a real Olympiad to me.  Undecided
  
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I was at the athletics yesterday (Saturday 4 August) and it was the most exciting event I have ever been to. Working out how to get an advantage against the Semi Slav may just have to wait a bit....
  
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Reply #6 - 08/04/12 at 22:49:07
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Not since David Bedford didn't win it in 1972 did I think a Brit would win the 10,000. Very impressive race! Congratulations to Mo Farah and Jessica Ennis!

I'm still a bit torn about seeing Oscar Pistorius running in the 400m. Ok, what he's doing is truly heroic and incredible. But is he really competing on the same level as the other athletes?
  
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Tbh I don't think football matters much at the olympics. 

Mo Fara was the pick of the day for me, never thought I'd ever see a Brit win the 10,000m. Jessica Ennis was amazing as well though.
  
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ARRGGHH!!!!

Why couldn't Team GB use all Welsh players to take their penalty kicks? Angry
  
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barnaby wrote on 07/20/12 at 20:31:36:
I predict London will lose money on the deal, just like most hosting cities have.

I think its time to retire these silly nationalistic rituals and instead make the competitions about the individuals and not so much about nation/states.


That's what events such as the world championships are for.
  
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barnaby wrote on 07/20/12 at 20:31:36:
I think its time to retire these silly nationalistic rituals and instead make the competitions about the individuals and not so much about nation/states.

Well, have you ever played for a team?..  Huh
  
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I predict London will lose money on the deal, just like most hosting cities have.

I think its time to retire these silly nationalistic rituals and instead make the competitions about the individuals and not so much about nation/states.
  
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Hi, 

The Olympics are just around the corner.

Any thoughts or predictions about how individuals or nations will do?
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