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Re: C25-C29: books about the Vienna opening
Reply #18 - 03/06/13 at 01:11:38
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Fromper wrote on 03/05/13 at 18:41:06:
What about the other books?

Tseitlin/Glaskov 1995 has about 100 pages theory plus some illustrative games.
Chapter 1: Rare replies to 2.Nc3 page 9.
2: 2...Nc6 unusual lines page 12.
3: The solid 2...Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d3 Bc5 page 23 (in fact King's Gambit Declined).
4: The 2...Nc6 3.f4 Gambit page 39 (seriously outdated).
5: The wild 2...Nf6 3.Bc4 Nxe4 page 53.
6: The quiet 2...Nf6 3.g3 page 68.
7: The classical 2...Nf6 3.f4 d5 page 83.
8: Illustrative games page 108.

Missing: 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.d3 c6 5.f4 d5, which is quite a problem if you head for the KGD.
  
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Re: C25-C29: books about the Vienna opening
Reply #17 - 03/05/13 at 18:41:06
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I'll definitely look at those Harding articles. I had actually forgotten that the Pierce Gambit was a name for a line in the Vienna, so I should search for that, too.

So as for the books on the Vienna, there seem to be a few mentioned in this thread, but no real comments on quality, or what lines they cover. Lane's book seems to be more easily available than some of the older books. Is it any good? Does it cover the gambit lines, and other tactical variations? What about the other books?
  
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Re: C25-C29: books about the Vienna opening
Reply #16 - 03/05/13 at 18:16:47
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MNb wrote on 03/05/13 at 17:17:44:
Fromper wrote on 03/05/13 at 15:51:13:
II'm looking to play the more tactical stuff,

Don't forget to check Tim Harding's The Kibitzer either,

http://www.google.com/search?q=Pierce+Gambit&sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chessca...

I analysed this stuff some time ago and compared my analysis with Harding's (Kibitzer 97):
1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.f4 exf4 4.Nf3 g5 5.d4 (the Pierce gambit) g4 6.Bc4 gxf3 7.Qxf3 (a rare move) Qh4+ 8.g3 Nxd4 9.Qf2 Qf6 10.Bxf4 Bb4 11.O-O Bxc3 12.bxc3 Ne6 13.Qd2 Qe7 14.Bxe6 dxe6 15.Rad1 (so far we agree) and now I have 15...b6 and I don't see why black shouldn't win this
his analysis of 7.O-O can also be improved: 7...Nxd4 8.Bxf4 Bg7 9.Bxf7+ Kxf7 10.e5 Nf5 (instead of d5) 11.Qd5+ Ke8 12.Qxf3 h5 13.Rae1 d5 14.exd6+ Kf7 15.dxc7 Qd4+ 16.Kh1 Nf6 and again I think this is lost for white

this doesn't mean the Pierce gambit is unplayable at lower levels, but if you want to play something tactical but not too unsound I would go for the Hamppe-Allgaier with 5.h4 g4 6.Ng5
  
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Re: C25-C29: books about the Vienna opening
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Fromper wrote on 03/05/13 at 15:51:13:
II'm looking to play the more tactical stuff,

Don't forget to check Tim Harding's The Kibitzer either,

http://www.google.com/search?q=Pierce+Gambit&sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chessca...
  
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Re: C25-C29: books about the Vienna opening
Reply #14 - 03/05/13 at 15:51:13
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I was also wondering about the best book for an introduction to the Vienna. I know the Vienna has both open, tactical lines, and quieter, positional lines, and I'm looking to play the more tactical stuff, at least at first. I was looking at the lines with 3. f4. Those Chess Cafe articles are a nice start, but I think I should get a book on the opening. If I'm only getting one book, in English, which should it be?
  
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Re: C25-C29: books about the Vienna opening
Reply #13 - 01/12/13 at 12:07:38
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Hadron wrote on 01/12/13 at 10:21:39:
I have:
1. Gary Lane, Everyman Chess, 2000, Vienna Game
2. Mikhail Tseitlin & Igor Glazkov, Batsford, 1995, The Complete Vienna
3. and what is covered in ECO Volume C 1981
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Which is best as an introduction to Vienna?

At ChessCafé you also have an introduction for free: Gary Lanes (lane119 and lane150)
  
What kind of proof is that?
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Re: C25-C29: books about the Vienna opening
Reply #12 - 01/12/13 at 10:21:39
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I have:
1. Gary Lane, Everyman Chess, 2000, Vienna Game
2. Mikhail Tseitlin & Igor Glazkov, Batsford, 1995, The Complete Vienna
3. and what is covered in ECO Volume C 1981
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I'm reminded again of something Short wrote recently, approximately "The biggest fallacy in chess is the quasi-religious belief in the primacy of the opening."
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Re: C25-C29: books about the Vienna opening
Reply #11 - 01/11/13 at 15:09:48
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I have:
Vienna Opening - Harding (Batsford 1976)
Vienna Game - Konstantinopolsky & Lepeshkin (Batsford 1986)
Die Wiener Partie - Jakobetz & Somlai (Reinhold Dreier 1994)
The Complete Vienna - Tseitlin & Glaskov (Batsford 1995)

The Complete Vienna is not at all complete, but it's quite good on what it does cover. Die Wiener Partie has more material. Dunno whether any of these are still available though.
  
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Re: C25-C29: books about the Vienna opening
Reply #10 - 01/11/13 at 00:54:54
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up and comer wrote on 01/10/13 at 15:45:45:
Hi I have a student who was hoping I could help him with the Vienna, thing is i dont play it at all! What would be the best book to learn all the typical ideas/plans?

If your student intends to play it as White it doesn't make much sense to learn all the typical ideas plans. 3.g3 is quite different from 3.Bc4, which again is quite different from 3.f4, not to mention the transpositions to the 4-Kt game.
  
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Re: C25-C29: books about the Vienna opening
Reply #9 - 01/10/13 at 16:13:53
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up and comer wrote on 01/10/13 at 15:45:45:
Hi I have a student who was hoping I could help him with the Vienna, thing is i dont play it at all! What would be the best book to learn all the typical ideas/plans?


As long as I know, one of these three will do the job:
1. Gary Lane, Everyman Chess, 2000, Vienna Game
2. Mikhail Tseitlin & Igor Glazkov, Batsford, 1995, The Complete Vienna
3. Alexander Konstantinopolsky & Vladimir Lepeshkin, Batsford, 1986, Vienna Game

But my favourite one is Alexander Konstantinopolsky & Vladimir Lepeshkin, Fizkultura & Sport, 1989, Venskaya Partyia (in Russian language).
Buying this book in 1989 made me play this opening for more than 4 years.  Wink
  
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Re: C25-C29: books about the Vienna opening
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Hi I have a student who was hoping I could help him with the Vienna, thing is i dont play it at all! What would be the best book to learn all the typical ideas/plans?
  
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Re: C25-C29: books about the Vienna opening
Reply #7 - 07/26/12 at 09:37:43
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 07/25/12 at 17:23:58:
Wow! I didn't know von Bardeleben wrote any chess books!

Was this a complete book, or just a pamphlet?

80 pages. But I cannot call it a complete book, he ignored the Fyfe. Curt von Bardeleben was chess journalist, so yes, he did write books (Kritik der Spanischen Partie; Das Damengambit; co-authored Lehrbuch des Schachspiels) and published dozens of theoretical articles, including the first on 1.b4.
  
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Re: C25-C29: books about the Vienna opening
Reply #6 - 07/25/12 at 17:23:58
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Wow! I didn't know von Bardeleben wrote any chess books!

Was this a complete book, or just a pamphlet?
  
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Re: C25-C29: books about the Vienna opening
Reply #5 - 07/24/12 at 08:48:34
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Curt von Bardeleben: Die Wiener Partie, Leipsic 1893.
  
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Re: books about the Vienna opening
Reply #4 - 07/23/12 at 19:08:25
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TalJechin wrote on 07/23/12 at 16:09:18:
So, now it's the Vienna? Wink

A quite good source is the various Sportverlag editions on open games, especially the ones by Keres (& Taimanov on other openings).


yes   Wink and thx for the answers
  
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