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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #28 - 03/22/13 at 06:07:39
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Konstriktor wrote on 03/21/13 at 20:55:23:
I've been looking at this 12. a4 line a lot the last couple of days. It certainly looks hard to equalize, if it all possible.

What I find strange, is that this move has only been played a lot from around 2010 by stronger players.
While the logic of advancing a passed pawn to a4, putting a knight on b5 and then start squeezing is not that hard to find as a plan against the Benko?

Aveskulov wrote on chess.com that he will look into 12. a4, but that was already 4 weeks ago. 
http://www.chess.com/blog/LuckyTiger/feedbacks-on-my-book

Still searching I guess  Cool


This setup has always been one of the main weapons against Benko. Don't know why this exact implementation  has not been used longer.

No wonder so many books/DVD:s were released recently. People are giving up Benko and want to score something. If not points, then some money.
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #27 - 03/21/13 at 20:55:23
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I've been looking at this 12. a4 line a lot the last couple of days. It certainly looks hard to equalize, if it all possible.

What I find strange, is that this move has only been played a lot from around 2010 by stronger players.
While the logic of advancing a passed pawn to a4, putting a knight on b5 and then start squeezing is not that hard to find as a plan against the Benko?

Aveskulov wrote on chess.com that he will look into 12. a4, but that was already 4 weeks ago. 
http://www.chess.com/blog/LuckyTiger/feedbacks-on-my-book

Still searching I guess  Cool
  
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #26 - 03/21/13 at 20:37:42
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Konstriktor wrote on 03/21/13 at 19:36:41:
And I just ordered "Attack with Black"....  Cry


Good book on a bad opening. I've got it.   

Ah, I remember the good old days of 1980's and 1990's when Benko was almost a free point for me. They will never come back.
  

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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
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And I just ordered "Attack with Black"....  Cry
  
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #24 - 03/21/13 at 19:06:01
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In my database 12.a4 scores 67% - black is practically busted

see also latest CB http://www.chesspublishing.com/content/11/index.htm#ben

When taking into account, that white can play 2.Nf3, and there are also several not so pleasant variations, such as 4.Nf3 , 5.b6  and 10.Rb1 (g3-line) Benkö is not very comfortable to specialize on anymore Sad
  

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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #23 - 08/24/12 at 18:42:30
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And given as "in my opinion strongest" by Pinski.

And to answer the following question:

gwnn wrote on 08/24/12 at 09:37:56:
Is the f3 knight serving a specific purpose there or is it just played because it looks natural?


There is at least one advantage of having the knight on f3 rather than e2: on f3, the knight supports a future e5. On e2, on the other hand, it not only does not support e5, but it also blocks the e-file so that Re1 does not support e5 either. Basically, by playing Nge2, White is basically giving up any e5 plans for the close future. For the same reason, Black can omit Nbd7 more easily against Nge2 than against Nf3.
  
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #22 - 08/24/12 at 13:52:10
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TD wrote on 08/24/12 at 10:28:18:
Aveskulov in his new Benko book and Watson prefer 11...Qb6 12.Rb1 Na6 as played by Benko himself and also by Fedorowicz. Black will try to follow up with Nc7 and e6.


Also given by Tukmakov in 1979 (leading to "unclear") and Harding in 1974 (leading to "roughly level")    Smiley
  
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #21 - 08/24/12 at 12:38:09
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I should point out an analogy of the position with 12.a4 to the e3-system. Typical plans and concepts can be borrowed from there.

[pgn][Event "Politiken zt"]
[Site "Munkebo"]
[Date "1998.09.11"]
[Round "1.2"]
[White "Hansen, Curt"]
[Black "Djurhuus, Rune"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A57"]
[WhiteElo "2610"]
[BlackElo "2495"]
[PlyCount "110"]
[EventDate "1998.09.10"]
[EventCountry "DEN"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1998.11.30"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 b5 4. Nf3 g6 5. cxb5 a6 6. e3 Bg7 7. Nc3 d6 8. a4 O-O
9. e4 Ne8 10. Ra3 axb5 11. Bxb5 Nc7 12. Be2 Nd7 13. O-O Ba6 14. h4 h6 15. Re1
Qc8 16. Bf4 Rb8 17. Qc1 Kh7 18. Bd1 Rb4 19. e5 dxe5 20. Nxe5 Nxe5 21. Bxe5 Bxe5
22. Rxe5 Rxh4 23. Rxe7 Qd8 24. Re4 Re8 25. Bf3 Bb7 26. Rxe8 Qxe8 27. Rb3 Qe5
28. g3 Rb4 29. Qd1 Rd4 30. Qe2 Qxe2 31. Nxe2 Rd1+ 32. Kg2 Bxd5 33. Bxd5 Nxd5
34. a5 Nb4 35. Kf3 h5 36. Nc3 Ra1 37. Ra3 Rxa3 38. bxa3 Na6 39. Ke4 g5 40. Kf5
Kh6 41. Ne2 Nb8 42. f3 Na6 43. Ke4 h4 44. gxh4 gxh4 45. Ng1 Kg5 46. Ke5 f6+ 47.
Ke4 Kg6 48. Kd5 Kf7 49. Kc4 Ke6 50. Kb5 Kd5 51. Kxa6 Kc6 52. a4 c4 53. Ne2 h3
54. Nd4+ Kc5 55. Ne6+ Kd6 0-1[/pgn]

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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #20 - 08/24/12 at 10:28:18
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Aveskulov in his new Benko book and Watson prefer 11...Qb6 12.Rb1 Na6 as played by Benko himself and also by Fedorowicz. Black will try to follow up with Nc7 and e6.
  
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #19 - 08/24/12 at 10:21:46
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I haven't analysed the Nge2 idea, but it seems plausible based on White's plan. Also, it doesn't give Black a chance to exchange a pair of knights on f3 to gain access to e5 with tempo. On the other hand, it gives White less influence in the centre. Maybe Black should aim for ...e6 to put pressure on White's centre?
  
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #18 - 08/24/12 at 09:37:56
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Probably a silly thought but what about not playing Nf3 but instead Nge2 intending to 'double knights' on b5 and c3? Is the f3 knight serving a specific purpose there or is it just played because it looks natural?

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 b5 4. cxb5 a6 5. bxa6 Bxa6 6. Nc3 d6 7. e4 Bxf1 8. Kxf1 g6 9. g3 Bg7 10. Kg2 O-O 11. Nge2 Nbd7 12. a4 

Could this be made to work?
  
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #17 - 08/24/12 at 09:25:26
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Oh, I was mostly defending Bologan Smiley I very much doubt if this line refutes the Benko - in general openings this established just don't get refuted. 

The real question is likely how easy/fun a line it is for black to play in practice. It's certainly not trivial if someone as strong as Bologan can get in this much of mess so easily.

Computer evaluations liable to be pretty useless for this of course. A bunch more GM games might give an idea.
  
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #16 - 08/22/12 at 12:18:48
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Try 16...Qb7 and if 17.Nc4 then Nb6 (otherwise you continue with Nc7). This is a typical idea borrowed from the Benoni. Once a white knight appears on c4, you play either Nb6 or Ne5. On the other hand I have to admit, that black does have certain problems to keep his coordination.
  
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #15 - 08/22/12 at 09:03:23
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15 .. Kf8 in Carlsen - Bologan vaguely intriguing actually, especially in relation to where this can go wrong for black.



Isn't this rather unpleasant for black? I guess that it isn't totally clear how white is going to improve his position but it's certainly a lot better organised than usual. Obviously, even if this is serious, black can very likely avoid it but there are dangers out there.

And actually 18 Bxe7+ might well explain avoiding Kf8 in a practical game - allowing those sorts of self evidently rather dangerous complications isn't terribly practical.
  
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Re: Does 12.a4/Qe2 put the Benko out of business?
Reply #14 - 08/21/12 at 18:39:53
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TN wrote:
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Since then the moves 12.a4 and 12.Qe2 have become virtually the main line of the Benko, but unfortunately none of my other Benko sources (e.g. Pedersen, Pinski, Alterman) even mention these moves.


Ravikumar in Play the Benko Gambit (1991) does give one game with 12.Qe2, I've put in the moves below but not the text commentary.

  
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