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Re: C42: Playing Chess against the Petroff
Reply #10 - 11/14/12 at 11:55:47
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In the 5.Nc3 lines White gets psychological problems if Black is prepared to go for the attack. This is my cc-experience on the 2000-2200 level (LSS) and the result of two otb-games against two players rated 200+ (win) and 300+ (draw after a tactical blunder from my side).

The most disagreable lines in my experience are hidden in the Steinitz approach.
  

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Re: C42: Playing Chess against the Petroff
Reply #9 - 11/14/12 at 11:50:20
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I was White in the previous game
  
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Re: C42: Playing Chess against the Petroff
Reply #8 - 11/14/12 at 11:34:30
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Here is an example :



ENG IM Suto, Janos I. (2374)
            
            
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.Nc3 Nxc3 6.dxc3 Be7 7.Be3 Nc6 8.Qd2 Be6 9.O-O-O Qd7 10.h4 h6 11.Kb1 O-O-O 12.a3 a6 13.Nd4 Nxd4 14.Bxd4 Rhg8 15.c4 d5 16.c5 Kb8 17.h5 Qc6 18.Qc3 Rde8 19.f3 f6 20.Bd3 Bf7 21.g4 Bd8 22.Bf2 Qa4 23.Rd2 c6 24.Bg3+ Ka8 25.Bh7 Rh8 26.Bf5 Qc4 27.Qxc4 dxc4 28.Bg6 Bxg6 29.hxg6 Re7 30.Rhd1 Bc7 31.Bxc7 Rxc7 32.Rd8+ Rxd8 33.Rxd8+ Ka7 34.Rf8 b5 35.cxb6+ Kxb6 36.Rf7 Kb7 37.Kc1 c3 38.b4 Kc8 39.Kd1 Kd8 40.Rf8+ Ke7 41.Ra8 c5 42.Rxa6 cxb4 43.axb4 Rb7 44.Ke2 Rxb4 45.Ra7+ Kf8 46.Kd3 Rb5 47.Rf7+ Kg8 48.Rc7 Kf8 49.f4 Rb4 50.Ke3 Rb5 51.f5 Rb4 52.Kf3 Rb8 53.Ke4 Rb4+ 54.Kd5 Rxg4 55.Rc8+ Ke7 56.Rg8 Rg2 57.Rxg7+ Kf8 58.Rf7+ Kg8 59.Ke6 Rxc2 60.Kxf6 Ra2 61.Rg7+ Kh8 62.Rc7 Ra6+ 63.Kf7 Ra8 64.f6
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Re: C42: Playing Chess against the Petroff
Reply #7 - 11/14/12 at 11:19:15
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People lose a lot of games to enduring niggles Smiley

I probably didn't express it brilliantly but its objectively probably quite a bit easier for black to get into serious trouble against the 'old' main lines. Its just that they're also much more prone to leading to pretty well dead positions if black is accurate for a while.
  
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Re: C42: Playing Chess against the Petroff
Reply #6 - 11/14/12 at 11:15:04
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The choice of a Petroff by Black is an attempt to convert an open game into Queen pawn opening
5 Nc3 keeps it in open games , at the price of a doubled pawn
It's a general principle , not to allow the opponent the sort of play he wants to get
Usually it works rather well
  
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Re: C42: Playing Chess against the Petroff
Reply #5 - 11/14/12 at 10:19:19
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Not dangerous is so called propaganda. I might not give any theoretical advantage but whites position is more easy to play.

I have played this line as whites in two "real" games, I won easy against a lower rated and got a winning position against much higher rated but I made a mistake and it became a draw.
  
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Re: C42: Playing Chess against the Petroff
Reply #4 - 11/14/12 at 09:19:36
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Not very dangerous ? in my DB I find on the losing side players like Kramnik or Gelfand
Maybe they were not well prepared ??
  
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Re: C42: Playing Chess against the Petroff
Reply #3 - 11/13/12 at 19:40:47
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There was some comment by a very strong player in (iirc) a new in chess to the effect that 5 Nc3 isn't very dangerous but it is an enduring niggle while the main lines can be basically shut down by sufficient black preparation.

That certainly feels plausible. Up to some level the main lines are great fun to play and good tactics training but its all very short/medium term so.....
  
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Re: C42: Playing Chess against the Petroff
Reply #2 - 11/13/12 at 17:31:04
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Looking in my DTBs , I see the stat's of 5 Nc3 are quite good
In FIDE games , between 2700+ , there are 14 1-0 vs 5 0-1
The same is true of my personal stat's : 3 1-0 vs 2 = and my feeling ( from white side ) is that it's not too difficult to play for  white ( I am 2423 ICCF , and I play in  team or invitational tournaments , homogeneous in strength ) , even if this opening is not too propitious to combinational play , what , as for me , I regret
  
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Re: C42: Playing Chess against the Petroff
Reply #1 - 10/26/12 at 13:28:11
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As someone who uses the Russian game as main weapon and plays it on the white side too:
4. Nc4 is well known and all right for black, 5. Bd3 too. If you don't like the main lines after 3. Nxe5 for some reason I sincerely recommend searching either in the 5. Nc3 lines or in the 3. d4 lines for something you like.
Using 2. .. Nf6 as a weapon to play for a win with black my confidence has got some blows only in the 3. d4 lines. My only hope atm is the fact that my most feared line with black is very seldom played and there must be a reason for this. I did analyze it with my trainer (2650+) this week and his summary was: There must be a reason, why no specialist plays this against the highest level players. But we didn't find it.  Sad
Beg your pardon for not giving the line. I'll first do my homework and decide about the use of the resulting knowledge then.
  

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C42: Playing Chess against the Petroff
09/26/12 at 06:20:42
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In the London Chess Classic, Adams played an unusual setup against Giri's Petroff:

[Event "1st FIDE GP London 2012"]
[Site "London ENG"]
[Date "2012.09.25"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Adams, Mi"]
[Black "Giri, A."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C42"]
[WhiteElo "2722"]
[BlackElo "2730"]
[PlyCount "67"]
[EventDate "2012.09.21"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5 d6 4. Nf3 Nxe4 5. Nc3 Nxc3 6. dxc3 Nc6 7. Be3 Be7
8. Bd3 Be6 9. Qe2 Qd7 10. O-O-O O-O 11. Kb1 Rae8 12. h3 Bd8 13. Rhe1 Bf5 14.
Bxf5 Qxf5 15. g4 Qc8 16. Qc4 a6 17. Nd4 Nxd4 18. cxd4 c6 19. Bf4 d5 20. Qb4 Bh4
21. Qd2 Rxe1 22. Rxe1 Re8 23. Re3 Rxe3 24. Qxe3 Qe6 25. Qxe6 fxe6 26. f3 Kf7
27. c3 Be7 28. Kc2 Ke8 29. Kd3 Kf7 30. Ke2 Ke8 31. Kd3 Kf7 32. Ke2 Ke8 33. Kd3
Kf7 34. Ke2 1/2-1/2

It doesn't look like he gained anything out of the opening, so would something like 5.Bd3 or 4.Nc4 be a better option if White wants a slightly different sort of position to the main lines?
« Last Edit: 09/26/12 at 13:54:35 by Smyslov_Fan »  

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