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Reply #30 - 02/10/14 at 19:04:37
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I couldn't find if someone had mentioned this site so her goes:

http://www.top-5000.nl/pgn.htm

Says, "2.2 million quality chess games in PGN format. After 5 years an update with 500,000 new games mainly from the archives TWIC. Database is now up to date till January 2013. After downloading click on the self-extracting executable."  Other databases available too.
  
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Reply #29 - 03/25/13 at 08:37:58
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Does anyone have issues 917, 918, and 919 of TWIC?
  
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Reply #28 - 10/26/12 at 11:46:50
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I think that only works if you have a recent version of MegaBase, I dont fancy buying it every year!
  
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Reply #27 - 10/26/12 at 11:42:31
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Keano wrote on 10/26/12 at 09:23:39:
Would a subscription to Chessbase Magazine do the trick?

You get weekly updates with Mega Database, and that is obviously going to continue, but it is not given away!
  
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Reply #26 - 10/26/12 at 09:23:39
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Well looks like its happened. End of an era. What do we do know? Would a subscription to Chessbase Magazine do the trick? What worries me is Chessbase themselves might have been getting a lot of games from TWIC though.

Update: Wait I see now he is still going at another website address now, hope yet.

  
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Reply #25 - 10/17/12 at 02:36:47
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I fully agree. In the software realm, we have the GPL to prevent precisely that. Too bad Crowther didn't think to license his data on a similar basis. It would have taken too much to design the license, I suppose.

But having observed, thanks to a previous post, the CA is making essentially the same data available for free, the question of what happens to TWIC becoms less important -- unless CA is using TWIC!
  

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Reply #24 - 10/16/12 at 10:22:01
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I don't think much of proustiskeen's suggestion either. 

I can understand companies and individuals charging for services that used to be free if the free services ceased to be viable. 
However, I am uneasy about situations where data are offered for free (in this case the old TWIC updates), only to be "pulled" and then made exclusive to a pay service.  It essentially means that some people get to have the data for free while others have to pay just because they didn't obtain it freely while they had the chance.
  
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Reply #23 - 10/16/12 at 08:26:09
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What's all this? Can't be allowed to happen surely, I remember the old days when I used to have to find an internet connection to copy the latest TWIC onto a floppy disk! TWIC is part of chess tradition, we need to rescue this situation.
  
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Reply #22 - 10/16/12 at 02:33:52
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The guy has to make a buck (or pound or euro).  He can be like Houdart and bundle his data with whomever ponies up for the rights to it.  Ideally it'd be free, but so long as it's cheaper than Chessbase's extortion rates for Megabase each year, I'm going with Crowther.

Not everyone knows about torrents, or where to find old TWICs.
  
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Reply #21 - 10/16/12 at 01:25:27
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Well I wish Crowther every success, and as I have said, I have no objection to paying for service. But I don't care much for proustikeen's suggestion. The last thing chess needs is having its only public data source bundled with some piece of software.

Given the importance of this data to chess, it should remain readily accessible to anyone. And ideally, it should be free. Frankly it would be a simple matter for FIDE to require electronic submission of game scores. FIDE could then offer free downloads. That would be fully consistent with the furtherance of chess, which I assume to be a FIDE goal.

I have no idea how nonsensical it would be to gather this data with a script; I merely said that anything offered on any website can easily be gathered with a script, and if that is how Crowther gathers his data, the process could readily be replicated.
  

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Reply #20 - 10/16/12 at 01:08:04
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I'm signing up based on what he decides to charge. Over $25 and its forget it. Under $10, absolutely. In between $10-$25... I'd have to think about it.

As for taking the twic offline for older issues, whats the point? They're permanently available for free - its called a torrent for a reason.
  
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Reply #19 - 10/15/12 at 21:59:23
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Hold on.  I've been downloading TWIC since it first started.  This idea that he's simply collating publicly available material is nonsense.  He's built up relationships with organizers worldwide who send him games for inclusion in the weekly issues.

But assume for a moment that this wasn't the case, and that he simply scraped websites from around the world to find the games.  That takes time and effort.  You don't think that's worth some small amount of $ each year?  I absolutely do.

I'm hoping that Crowther has taken the older issues offline so that he can include them in a subscription package.  Perhaps he can partner with the Hiarcs people to link his database with their product, or maybe he can just be platform agnostic and offer databases in multiple formats.  Whatever the case may be, I'm signing up for his pay service the first day it becomes available.
  
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Reply #18 - 10/15/12 at 20:13:11
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There is also this site from ChessOK i.e. the Chess Assistant team:

http://chessok.com/?page_id=694
  
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Reply #17 - 10/15/12 at 17:18:48
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What, organizers already post game scores and TWIC merely consolidates them?  The only trouble there is in formulating a list of pages from which to download.  After that, it's a piece of cake to write a script to do it every week or so, ignore what has already been downloaded, etc., etc.  It is a bit of a headache to catch occasional changes in this source page or that, but it's not a huge load of trouble.

Also I noticed there's a Spanish site - Barcelona Chess Club or something? - that has a collection of results that seems to rival TWIC's.

I'm not at all sure, in the internet age, if TWIC will be able to charge very much for game file downloads.  Chess news is something else, but competition drives out bundling, you know?
  

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Reply #16 - 10/15/12 at 01:47:20
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In case of TWIC you wouldn't pay for the games, you would pay for the service and his know-how (collect, clean, write the news, bundle everything together, offer it for download).

Of course everybody here could compile the same weekly DB, but would it make much sense to spend hours on it to save a few cents?

Unfortunately Crowther is 10 years too late. He should have gone for a pay service 10 years ago. Now he should aggressively push the TWIC brand, if he wants to grow a business before the internet forgets him. Make subs cheap, offer OEM volume licenses, negotiate partnerships with HQ publishers / web sites / shops (ChessPub, Chess Cafe, ICC, hell even big (r)etailers like Niggemann ... offer them the standard 30% commission).
  
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