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Reply #24 - 01/17/13 at 22:01:18
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Master Om wrote on 01/17/13 at 13:59:32:
Bibs wrote on 01/17/13 at 12:38:24:
Agree, h3 just seems terrible.


May be. But my analysis didnot find any fault. The real good move was h5!!. It was not found by any top 5 engine I used.


I do presume you are joking.
'Analysis'?!
I wish to be helpful below. It is meant to be frank, not unkind, I earnestly assure.
As kylemeister has suggested elsewhere I think, it really is necessary for many people here to:
1) switch off the PCs
2) put the opening books away
and...
3) get out the Chernev, Reinfeld books. Study some basic chess.
  
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Reply #23 - 01/17/13 at 15:00:48
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Nice to see that even very modern computers still can't understand positions with smothered pieces Smiley

The combination of h3 and g3 is a tiny bit odd strategically but also really doesn't really make logical sense.

h3 before g3 would be a logical thing to look at, as would be h3 after g3, Bg2. Or of course sundry ideas with delaying/ommiting h3 entirely.
  
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Reply #22 - 01/17/13 at 13:59:32
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Bibs wrote on 01/17/13 at 12:38:24:
Agree, h3 just seems terrible.


May be. But my analysis didnot find any fault. The real good move was h5!!. It was not found by any top 5 engine I used.
  
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Reply #21 - 01/17/13 at 13:57:53
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MartinC wrote on 01/17/13 at 09:39:05:
Well surely g3 then h3 in that game was just a really terrible combination of ideas from white? As your opponent said in the later comments it looked basically resignable after you got f4 in.

There may not be an advantage elsewhere but surely better play Smiley


Well What I found is its not bad move. I did not find any refutation of it. May be strategically unsound. The real bad move was Rd2 Though and Bd2 later on.
  
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Reply #20 - 01/17/13 at 12:38:24
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Agree, h3 just seems terrible.
  
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Well surely g3 then h3 in that game was just a really terrible combination of ideas from white? As your opponent said in the later comments it looked basically resignable after you got f4 in.

There may not be an advantage elsewhere but surely better play Smiley
  
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Reply #18 - 01/17/13 at 07:28:33
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Yes, please, that would be very interesting! And a great game btw.
  
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Reply #17 - 01/17/13 at 01:28:56
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BPaulsen wrote on 11/06/12 at 19:56:01:
1.Nf3 d6 2.d4 does not allow a Leningrad transposition (white can always sidestep advantageously).

1.Nf3 g6 (posing the Grunfeld/harmless English question) 2.e4 is not headed towards a harmless Pirc. If I can ever get "Play 1.Nf3!" finished, then everyone will get to see what I mean. That chapter made me happy to write, not least of all because it varied significantly from Khalifman's 4.c3 recommendation, and still resulted in a nice edge.


Hi,
     I played this Line in WBCCC 2012 in last round against pipiper (Jose Sanz, last years tournament winner). I followed Delchev's books and found many errors.
See the gamehere. Delchev recomended f6!? and I found something better. Now am sure, in this line white has 0 advantage after that move. If you want I can/post the analysis here.
  
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Reply #16 - 11/08/12 at 08:25:34
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OK. Looking forward to seeing all this in your book (bying one definitely Smiley
  
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Reply #15 - 11/08/12 at 05:44:15
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Lauri Torni wrote on 11/07/12 at 06:18:14:
BPaulsen wrote on 11/06/12 at 19:56:01:
1.Nf3 d6 2.d4 does not allow a Leningrad transposition (white can always sidestep advantageously).

1.Nf3 g6 (posing the Grunfeld/harmless English question) 2.e4 is not headed towards a harmless Pirc. If I can ever get "Play 1.Nf3!" finished, then everyone will get to see what I mean. That chapter made me happy to write, not least of all because it varied significantly from Khalifman's 4.c3 recommendation, and still resulted in a nice edge.


This is nice to hear, but hard to believe. 1.Nf3 d6 2.d4 g6 ( 2.-f5 3.Nc3 is strong) and now either 3.e4 Nf6 or 3.c4 f5

Indeed 1.Nf3 g6 2.e4 is mainly problem for g3 KI-indian players.....


3.e4 Nf6 is not a major issue based on the work I've done. I'm reasonably thorough in general concerning the Pirc, and am definitely thorough in what I believe to be the most important continuations. I don't believe that black can equalize in the important stuff, and in the less important stuff he's usually just getting mated.

Note that going into writing this book I had a high opinion of black's prospects, only to have my convictions overturned. Even if I am wrong, it will still contribute significantly to the theory of my chosen variation, and I can guarantee black's life still won't be easy.

I'm a Classical KID advocate due to favoring a particular Anglo-Grunfeld. Fianchetto advocates are left out.
  
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Reply #14 - 11/07/12 at 06:18:14
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BPaulsen wrote on 11/06/12 at 19:56:01:
1.Nf3 d6 2.d4 does not allow a Leningrad transposition (white can always sidestep advantageously).

1.Nf3 g6 (posing the Grunfeld/harmless English question) 2.e4 is not headed towards a harmless Pirc. If I can ever get "Play 1.Nf3!" finished, then everyone will get to see what I mean. That chapter made me happy to write, not least of all because it varied significantly from Khalifman's 4.c3 recommendation, and still resulted in a nice edge.


This is nice to hear, but hard to believe. 1.Nf3 d6 2.d4 g6 ( 2.-f5 3.Nc3 is strong) and now either 3.e4 Nf6 or 3.c4 f5

Indeed 1.Nf3 g6 2.e4 is mainly problem for g3 KI-indian players.....
  
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Reply #13 - 11/07/12 at 03:13:21
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BPaulsen wrote on 11/07/12 at 00:25:59:
It's the first and last time I set the bar this high for a book (setting out to find += everywhere is a fool's errand, which makes me a fool, but damned if I didn't try).

I salute all authors of ambitious white repertoire books after this experience.


Hang in there Bryan!  We're all looking forward to a terrific book from you because we know you are giving it your all.  You have a kindred spirit in the British actor, Michael Caine, who said:

"I started with the firm conviction that when I came to the end, I wanted to be regretting the things that I had done, not the things I hadn't."

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Reply #12 - 11/07/12 at 00:25:59
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LostTactic wrote on 11/06/12 at 23:59:33:
BPaulsen wrote on 11/06/12 at 19:56:01:
1.Nf3 d6 2.d4 does not allow a Leningrad transposition (white can always sidestep advantageously).

1.Nf3 g6 (posing the Grunfeld/harmless English question) 2.e4 is not headed towards a harmless Pirc. If I can ever get "Play 1.Nf3!" finished, then everyone will get to see what I mean. That chapter made me happy to write, not least of all because it varied significantly from Khalifman's 4.c3 recommendation, and still resulted in a nice edge.


Sounds good. When do you think it will be published roughly? London Chess Centre has it down for April 2013. Any chance it might be out sooner?


I still have analysis on the Symmetrical English 4 Knights and Maroczy Bind to finish in full (this was my equivalent of saving the easiest for last, but now that I've said that watch some sideline cause me two weeks of work). After that, just a couple of Slav related sidelines, and then anything else I catch that I feel is worth inclusion. The rest is done as far as analysis is concerned.

Then there's improving the explanations that go with the evaluations, etc. I have no clue when it's finally going to wrap up. It's the first and last time I set the bar this high for a book (setting out to find += everywhere is a fool's errand, which makes me a fool, but damned if I didn't try).

I salute all authors of ambitious white repertoire books after this experience.
  
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Reply #11 - 11/06/12 at 23:59:33
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BPaulsen wrote on 11/06/12 at 19:56:01:
1.Nf3 d6 2.d4 does not allow a Leningrad transposition (white can always sidestep advantageously).

1.Nf3 g6 (posing the Grunfeld/harmless English question) 2.e4 is not headed towards a harmless Pirc. If I can ever get "Play 1.Nf3!" finished, then everyone will get to see what I mean. That chapter made me happy to write, not least of all because it varied significantly from Khalifman's 4.c3 recommendation, and still resulted in a nice edge.


Sounds good. When do you think it will be published roughly? London Chess Centre has it down for April 2013. Any chance it might be out sooner?
  
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Reply #10 - 11/06/12 at 19:56:01
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1.Nf3 d6 2.d4 does not allow a Leningrad transposition (white can always sidestep advantageously).

1.Nf3 g6 (posing the Grunfeld/harmless English question) 2.e4 is not headed towards a harmless Pirc. If I can ever get "Play 1.Nf3!" finished, then everyone will get to see what I mean. That chapter made me happy to write, not least of all because it varied significantly from Khalifman's 4.c3 recommendation, and still resulted in a nice edge.
  
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