Latest Updates:
Normal Topic Early Draw in Archangel (Read 6644 times)
MicahSmith
YaBB Newbies
*
Offline



Posts: 18
Location: USA
Joined: 11/23/16
Gender: Male
Re: Early Draw in Archangel
Reply #4 - 06/25/20 at 22:31:59
Post Tools
Vass wrote on 11/12/12 at 09:48:57:
10...Qd7 is the main move in order to avoid such draw variations.
11...0-0-0!? (a new move) is to be considered, too..
Black can try even 16...Qg6!? - a move that is starting some hard to handle complications after 17.Nxh8 Qe8 18.Bf7?! Qd7 19.cxd4 (19.Bh5!?) 19...e3 20.d5 Bc5 and so on..  Cheesy

Yes, the engines think Black is at least equal with 10...Qd7. 10...Qd7 isn't even mentioned in the book "Archangel and New Archangel".
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
BobbyDigital80
Senior Member
****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 355
Joined: 05/15/08
Gender: Male
Re: Early Draw in Archangel
Reply #3 - 11/12/12 at 13:27:00
Post Tools
Vass wrote on 11/12/12 at 09:48:57:
10...Qd7 is the main move in order to avoid such draw variations.
11...0-0-0!? (a new move) is to be considered, too..
Black can try even 16...Qg6!? - a move that is starting some hard to handle complications after 17.Nxh8 Qe8 18.Bf7?! Qd7 19.cxd4 (19.Bh5!?) 19...e3 20.d5 Bc5 and so on..  Cheesy


Thanks Vass. Nice idea. Now I might play this opening.
Cheesy
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Vass
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 1105
Joined: 06/22/11
Re: Early Draw in Archangel
Reply #2 - 11/12/12 at 09:48:57
Post Tools
10...Qd7 is the main move in order to avoid such draw variations.
11...0-0-0!? (a new move) is to be considered, too..
Black can try even 16...Qg6!? - a move that is starting some hard to handle complications after 17.Nxh8 Qe8 18.Bf7?! Qd7 19.cxd4 (19.Bh5!?) 19...e3 20.d5 Bc5 and so on..  Cheesy
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MartinC
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 2093
Joined: 07/24/06
Re: Early Draw in Archangel
Reply #1 - 11/12/12 at 09:32:08
Post Tools
If you're this worried about forced draws you'll need to play something less concretly forcing than the Marshall or the Archangel. 

White has forced draws against basically every rational, sharp, direct opening that black can use. Well that or forced two result positions which are of course rather worse.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
BobbyDigital80
Senior Member
****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 355
Joined: 05/15/08
Gender: Male
Early Draw in Archangel
11/12/12 at 08:49:07
Post Tools
Is there a playable way for Black to avoid this early draw by White?

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O b5 6. Bb3 Bb7 7. c3 Nxe4 8. d4 exd4 9. Re1 d5 10. Ng5 Qf6 11. Nd2 Qxf2+ 12. Kh1 O-O-O 13. Ndxe4 dxe4 14. Rf1 Qh4 15. g3 Qh6 16. Nxf7 Qh3 17. Ng5

I'm thinking about playing the Archangel but I don't like that White can force a draw like this.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Bookmarks: del.icio.us Digg Facebook Google Google+ Linked in reddit StumbleUpon Twitter Yahoo