Latest Updates:
Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 
Topic Tools
Hot Topic (More than 10 Replies) 2...a6 against the Grand Prix (Read 12543 times)
RoleyPoley
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 673
Location: London
Joined: 12/29/13
Gender: Male
Re: 2...a6 against the Grand Prix
Reply #19 - 04/05/20 at 15:42:37
Post Tools
kylemeister wrote on 04/04/20 at 00:08:34:
RoleyPoley wrote on 04/03/20 at 22:09:03:
I was curious about this - they're calling it a rossolimo because white plays an early Bb5 - I  saw someone play it against one of my team mates in a league game last year.

Well, various old main lines of 2. f4 involve Bb5(+) on move 4.  I notice that Larsen's perhaps last game with 2. f4 (in 1998) had it on move 3 after 2...d5 (which was given by a Russian opening encyclopedia in 1996 as leading to equality).

But the "Accelerated Rossolimo" is "a new innovative move order" somehow.

I had assumed this was recommending Bb5 on the 3rd move. I havent looked at the lines it is covering though (nor do i have any knowledge of this opening to know how 'new' this is.
  

"As Mikhail Tal would say ' Let's have a bit of hooliganism! '"

Victor Bologan.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
kylemeister
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 4620
Location: USA
Joined: 10/24/05
Re: 2...a6 against the Grand Prix
Reply #18 - 04/04/20 at 00:08:34
Post Tools
RoleyPoley wrote on 04/03/20 at 22:09:03:
I was curious about this - they're calling it a rossolimo because white plays an early Bb5 - I  saw someone play it against one of my team mates in a league game last year.

Well, various old main lines of 2. f4 involve Bb5(+) on move 4.  I notice that Larsen's perhaps last game with 2. f4 (in 1998) had it on move 3 after 2...d5 (which was given by a Russian opening encyclopedia in 1996 as leading to equality).

But the "Accelerated Rossolimo" is "a new innovative move order" somehow.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
RoleyPoley
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 673
Location: London
Joined: 12/29/13
Gender: Male
Re: 2...a6 against the Grand Prix
Reply #17 - 04/03/20 at 22:09:03
Post Tools
kylemeister wrote on 04/03/20 at 16:43:06:
Incidentally there is now a Chessable course advocating 2. f4"!", titled "The Accelerated Rossolimo" (huh?).


I was curious about this - they're calling it a rossolimo because white plays an early Bb5 - I  saw someone play it against one of my team mates in a league game last year.
  

"As Mikhail Tal would say ' Let's have a bit of hooliganism! '"

Victor Bologan.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
kylemeister
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 4620
Location: USA
Joined: 10/24/05
Re: 2...a6 against the Grand Prix
Reply #16 - 04/03/20 at 16:43:06
Post Tools
Incidentally there is now a Chessable course advocating 2. f4"!", titled "The Accelerated Rossolimo" (huh?).
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
ErictheRed
God Member
*****
Offline


USCF National Master

Posts: 2487
Location: USA
Joined: 10/02/05
Re: 2...a6 against the Grand Prix
Reply #15 - 03/26/20 at 15:35:53
Post Tools
Laramonet wrote on 03/26/20 at 13:45:22:
New to the Sicilian, so sorry is this is an odd question. Ftacnik recommends 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 d6 but doesn't mention 2.f4 at all.Is there anything wrong with 1.e4 c5 2.f4 d6 trying to get the same positions after 3.Nc3 ?


The only thing that I'm aware of is that White could try a "Big Clamp" setup, where he puts his pawns on c3, d3, e4, and f4.  Similar to a King's Indian Attack where White might argue that he hasn't had to move his knight away from f3 to push the pawn to f4, so maybe similar to a Leningrad Dutch Attack? 

I don't think that it's anything to be especially afraid of, but I don't really know because I've always just played 1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5!.  I think that 2.f4 is slightly dubious due to 2...d5!.  White can't force you to transpose anywhere outside of your normal repertoire, this is an independent line that you just learn to play for Black because White is already looking for equality.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Laramonet
Senior Member
****
Offline


Gwyddbwll am byth !

Posts: 301
Location: Kidwelly
Joined: 03/16/07
Gender: Male
Re: 2...a6 against the Grand Prix
Reply #14 - 03/26/20 at 13:45:22
Post Tools
New to the Sicilian, so sorry is this is an odd question. Ftacnik recommends 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 d6 but doesn't mention 2.f4 at all.Is there anything wrong with 1.e4 c5 2.f4 d6 trying to get the same positions after 3.Nc3 ?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Bibs
YaBB Moderator
*****
Offline



Posts: 2147
Joined: 10/24/06
Re: 2...a6 against the Grand Prix
Reply #13 - 12/02/14 at 03:40:03
Post Tools
I think it is fair to say that 2. f4 is usually met by 2. ...d5(!). A rook pawn move here would be surprising.

2. ...a6 is a common enough response to 2. Nc3, particularly for Najdorfers.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
PANFR
Senior Member
****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 251
Location: Greece
Joined: 10/31/11
Gender: Male
Re: 2...a6 against the Grand Prix
Reply #12 - 12/01/14 at 16:11:57
Post Tools
Sure, 1.e4 c5 2.f4 a6 is played every second day at the highest level...  Roll Eyes
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Abdulsamad
YaBB Newbies
*
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 1
Location: uae
Joined: 01/11/13
Gender: Male
Re: 2...a6 against the Grand Prix
Reply #11 - 01/12/13 at 04:58:29
Post Tools
You can respond with  2....a6 on your second move in response to 2.f4 . Then immediately continue with b5and Bb7 attacking e4 (the point of this line).This is not a speculative line - it is played at the highest levels of chess.


  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Pikachulord6
YaBB Newbies
*
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 24
Joined: 11/14/12
Re: 2...a6 against the Grand Prix
Reply #10 - 11/29/12 at 15:38:41
Post Tools
BobbyDigital80: Okay, I see. Smiley  In my experience though, I have switched openings more times from not getting what I want than from getting what I want and still getting crushed.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MartinC
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 1983
Joined: 07/24/06
Re: 2...a6 against the Grand Prix
Reply #9 - 11/29/12 at 09:25:53
Post Tools
Not intentionally Smiley
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
BobbyDigital80
Senior Member
****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 333
Joined: 05/15/08
Re: 2...a6 against the Grand Prix
Reply #8 - 11/29/12 at 07:40:33
Post Tools
MartinC wrote on 11/20/12 at 16:29:33:
Stopping the attack comes from being prepared and playing accurately subsequently Smiley So sure, more risk initially but potentially greater internal satisfaction at the end of it.

More seriously it is a little inconsistent for a Nardojf to run scared of 2.. d6 3 f4 when they've got stuff like 6 Bg5 etc to deal with!


Howcome you always spell Najdorf as Nardojf?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
BobbyDigital80
Senior Member
****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 333
Joined: 05/15/08
Re: 2...a6 against the Grand Prix
Reply #7 - 11/29/12 at 07:37:46
Post Tools
Pikachulord6 wrote on 11/20/12 at 15:56:02:
2...d6 frustrates a Grand Prix Attack player?! I always thought that it gave a GPA player exactly what he wanted. The main two moves that frustrate (at least to me) are 2...e6 and 2...a6. In both cases, I believe f2-f4 is less optimal, and some GPA players prefer to transpose to the Open Sicilian instead.

EDIT: I just realized that you already acknowledged that 2...d6 gives White what he wants. But I still don't see how it stops any attack.


If I recall correctly, if White insists on a Closed Sicilian against 2...a6, then g2-g3 is preferable to the immediate f2-f4.


I was half-joking, but my point was I like it when I give White what he wants and still beat him, making him lose confidence in his anti-Sicilian.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
chk
God Member
*****
Offline


a pawn is a pawn

Posts: 1063
Location: Athens
Joined: 10/26/06
Gender: Male
Re: 2...a6 against the Grand Prix
Reply #6 - 11/21/12 at 10:15:47
Post Tools
I think playing 2. ... a6 is quite convenient for a Najdorf player. Though, accepting the attack is not to be feared, it is stil a rather double-edged attempt.

The problem of course is as Pikachulord6 mentions:
White has the option to enter the Closed Sicilian instead and ...a6 may turn out to be a waste of tempo in many lines (though one may argue that the closed nature of the position may allow for a waste of 1 tempo).

I play the Najdorf and follow this recipe:
a) If I know my opponent plays the GP: 2. ... a6
b) If I know nothing about him/her: 2. ... d6
=> I prefer not to miss the option to enter a Najdorf by committing with 2. Nc3 Nc6, but this is also a good option, e.g. you could play an Acc. Dragon instead, while avoiding the Maroczy (plus you get a more unbalanced game if you want to play for a win).
  

"I play honestly and I play to win. If I lose, I take my medicine." - Bobby
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
MartinC
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 1983
Joined: 07/24/06
Re: 2...a6 against the Grand Prix
Reply #5 - 11/21/12 at 09:39:33
Post Tools
I don't get personally involved at all but can appreciate the thinking behind taking it on Smiley
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 
Topic Tools
Bookmarks: del.icio.us Digg Facebook Google Google+ Linked in reddit StumbleUpon Twitter Yahoo