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Re: c3-Sicilian
Reply #15 - 06/03/14 at 16:59:12
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Re: c3-Sicilian
Reply #14 - 02/16/14 at 19:34:53
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yeah I ment Bf5 line is Bh5.but what with Bf5
  
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Re: c3-Sicilian
Reply #13 - 02/15/14 at 11:49:16
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chandrashekharkoravi wrote on 02/14/14 at 17:54:01:
Can some one please tell the current status of this line  1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5 3. exd5 Qxd5 4. d4 Nf6 5. Nf3 Bg4 6.
Be2 Nc6 7. O-O e6 8. h3 Bf5  for white ??

Do you mean 8...Bh5?
  
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Re: c3-Sicilian
Reply #12 - 02/14/14 at 20:31:45
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hmm, it's news to me if ...Bf5 there is a "line" which has a "current status" ...
  
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Re: c3-Sicilian
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Can some one please tell the current status of this line  1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5 3. exd5 Qxd5 4. d4 Nf6 5. Nf3 Bg4 6.
Be2 Nc6 7. O-O e6 8. h3 Bf5  for white ??
  
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Re: c3-Sicilian
Reply #10 - 01/24/14 at 04:53:47
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tipau wrote on 12/23/12 at 17:09:43:
Against 2.c3 Nf6 perhaps the most interesting way to play is by delaying d4

e.g. 3.e5 Nd5 4.Nf3 (4.Bc4!? is also possible) then Black usually chooses either:
a) 4...e6 5.d4 cxd4 6.cxd4 d6; or
b) 4...Nc6 5.Bc4 Nb6 6.Bb3

There's theory in each line but I think White can keep it interesting. Most of my opponents are in the 1900-2300 FIDE range and I score well with it.

This does seem to be the most interesting way to play the c3-Sicilian as White. What about 4...d6?
  
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Re: c3-Sicilian
Reply #9 - 03/10/13 at 22:59:53
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George Jempty wrote on 12/24/12 at 22:06:38:
tipau wrote on 12/23/12 at 17:09:43:
Against 2.c3 Nf6 perhaps the most interesting way to play is by delaying d4

e.g. 3.e5 Nd5 4.Nf3 (4.Bc4!? is also possible) then Black usually chooses either:
a) 4...e6 5.d4 cxd4 6.cxd4 d6; or
b) 4...Nc6 5.Bc4 Nb6 6.Bb3

There's theory in each line but I think White can keep it interesting. Most of my opponents are in the 1900-2300 FIDE range and I score well with it.

On a) 4...e6 there's even 5. Na3 further delaying d4


Also 5.Bc4 is interesting. It's not simply delaying d2-d4 for the sake of it, White has extra options against ...b7-b6 lines (although these are rarely played in my experience).
e.g. 5.Bc4 b6 6.d4 Bb7 (6...cxd4 7.Bxd5! is the point) 7.dxc5!? bxc5 8.0-0 Be7 9.Nbd2 has been played by Tiviakov

On the negative side White is now committed to Bc4 rather than 5.d4 cxd4 6.cxd4 d6 7.a3 for instance.
  

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Re: c3-Sicilian
Reply #8 - 12/24/12 at 22:06:38
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tipau wrote on 12/23/12 at 17:09:43:
Against 2.c3 Nf6 perhaps the most interesting way to play is by delaying d4

e.g. 3.e5 Nd5 4.Nf3 (4.Bc4!? is also possible) then Black usually chooses either:
a) 4...e6 5.d4 cxd4 6.cxd4 d6; or
b) 4...Nc6 5.Bc4 Nb6 6.Bb3

There's theory in each line but I think White can keep it interesting. Most of my opponents are in the 1900-2300 FIDE range and I score well with it.

On a) 4...e6 there's even 5. Na3 further delaying d4
  
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Re: c3-Sicilian
Reply #7 - 12/23/12 at 17:09:43
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Against 2.c3 Nf6 perhaps the most interesting way to play is by delaying d4

e.g. 3.e5 Nd5 4.Nf3 (4.Bc4!? is also possible) then Black usually chooses either:
a) 4...e6 5.d4 cxd4 6.cxd4 d6; or
b) 4...Nc6 5.Bc4 Nb6 6.Bb3

There's theory in each line but I think White can keep it interesting. Most of my opponents are in the 1900-2300 FIDE range and I score well with it.
  

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Re: c3-Sicilian
Reply #6 - 12/21/12 at 14:26:57
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It was just a comment from my side that this variation could be good as a practical weapon against Black players who play an early ...e6 in the Sicilian.

The idea with all these non-main lines set-ups would be to get Black into something that is more common for you than Black. I.e. they potentially give rise to different positions than the Black player is used to or aiming for. But there is also a reason the systems are not that popular for White.

I just had a look in Fighting the Anti-Sicilians, and the set-ups with ...Nf6 against 2. b3 look unbalanced, and ultimately seem to lead to nothing in particular for White.
  
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Re: c3-Sicilian
Reply #5 - 12/21/12 at 14:00:28
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Well, I don't claim 2.b3 to be a miracle cure and even less to provide White with even the smallest edge. Moreover I would rather recommend some sidelines of the Open Sicilian instead.

Anonymous3 wrote on 12/21/12 at 07:11:31:
that gives a playable position where you can outplay your opponent.  Everything seems to be dull equality.

1.e4 c5 2.b3 e5 3.Bb2 d6/Nc6 4.f4 or 4.Bb5 might lead to such positions. Perhaps. What do you think the critical lines?
  

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Re: c3-Sicilian
Reply #4 - 12/21/12 at 13:02:19
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At least 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. b3 avoids the set-up with ...e5 that is considered very good for Black against the fianchetto of the queen's bishop. It is a good practical version for White I think. But against e.g. 1. e4 c5 2. b3, 2 ...e5 works well for Black. You might need something else for this.

But I fully agree, the c3-sicilian is not exactly about avoiding theory anymore...
  
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Re: c3-Sicilian
Reply #3 - 12/21/12 at 12:41:04
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With about 95 000 games in my databas I'm not so sure if 2.c3 avoids a massive amount of theory any better than Davies' Taming the Sicilian. If you want to avoid the Open Sicilian by all means you might consider Czerniak's 2.b3. The line that put me off was 2.b3 e6 3.Nf3 b6, but I never looked seriously at 3.Bb2.
  

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Re: c3-Sicilian
Reply #2 - 12/21/12 at 08:49:53
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Well, at lower levels, White will definitely get some attacking chances. But the Nf6-variations are in general ok for Black if he knows what to aim for, and less theory than in many critical open variations. I am not that excited about the positions from either side, actually. Sveshnikov has apparently thought differently.

Maybe have a look at the section here at Chesspub? There are lots of commented games to learn from.
  
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Re: c3-Sicilian
Reply #1 - 12/21/12 at 08:42:20
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It depends on what level it's played. Super GMs definitely think that it leads to a "dull equality".  Wink
  
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c3-Sicilian
12/21/12 at 07:11:31
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I would like to take up the c3-Sicilian to avoid all the massive amount of theory and complications of the Open Sicilian. I know Black is suppose to be able to equalize against the c3-Sicilian but I can't even find a line against 2...Nf6 that gives a playable position where you can outplay your opponent.  Everything seems to be dull equality. Thoughts?
  
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