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Re: C02: Advanced French la Simon Williams
Reply #8 - 12/23/12 at 16:15:13
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Well, I don't know if I have thougt enough about this. After 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.Nf3 Bd7 6.Be2 Qb6 7.O-O Nh6 8.dxc5 Bxc5 9.b4 Be7 I see an exciting unbalanced game coming, but no advantage for White.
As for the famous Nimzo-Salwe game, I always have had doubts on it. Salwe was not exactly a first class player. More important might be that in this specific case Be2 is far less active than on d3.
After 7...cxd4 8.cxd4 Nh6 9.Nc3 Nf5 10.Na4 the question is who can deviate from Qa5 11.Bd2 Qd8 12.Bg5 Qa5 13.Bd2 (a theme also known from the Hyper Accelerated Dragon 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.c3 Bg7 4.d4 cxd4 5.cxd4 d5 6.e5).
Like MartinC (thanks) wrote 7...a5 might be even more flexible.
I haven't made up my mind yet, but 3.e5 is not the move I fear most.
  

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Re: C02: Advanced French la Simon Williams
Reply #7 - 12/23/12 at 11:42:00
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7 dc Bxc5 there gets a hit on f2 and so time to go a5 stopping b4 etc.

Briefly looking in Collins he mentions 7 o-o a5!? as another idea. That removes the threat of dc and so lets black mantain the tension for a bit.
  
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Re: C02: Advanced French la Simon Williams
Reply #6 - 12/22/12 at 22:43:54
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MNb wrote on 12/22/12 at 21:48:12:
I have decided to play 5...Bd7 6.Be2 Qb6 and 7...Nh6 instead (maybe exchange on d4 first; I haven't figured that out yet). Statistics are stunning.
I am not so fond of g5, h5 ideas.

Really? I would have thought if there's one line that should be good for White, it's this one.

Isn't it a lot like the textbook classic Nimzowitsch-Salwe if White plays 7.dxc5? And if White plays 7.0-0 he can get in the Nc3-a4 manouvre (only after Black has exchanged on d4 obviously, but he has to watch dxc5 ideas all the time) without any annoying Qa5+ from Black in return.

I'm sure you've thought a lot about this, but if even this is good for Black it starts to look like the entire opening is pointless for White!
  

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Re: C02: Advanced French la Simon Williams
Reply #5 - 12/22/12 at 21:48:12
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fling wrote on 12/22/12 at 20:30:20:
The question is what the exact variations will be,

I used to play the rather standard 5...Qb6 and 6...Nh6 lines. But as the Queen's Bishop has to go to d7 anyway and Williams makes a very strong point for 5...Bd7 6.a3 f6! I have decided to play 5...Bd7 6.Be2 Qb6 and 7...Nh6 instead (maybe exchange on d4 first; I haven't figured that out yet). Statistics are stunning.
I am not so fond of g5, h5 ideas.
  

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Re: C02: Advanced French la Simon Williams
Reply #4 - 12/22/12 at 20:30:20
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Well, thanks! There are for sure lots of ideas in this type of position. The question is what the exact variations will be, since it is a pretty open position and I think only concrete analysis will tell. But the critical line is for sure Qb6 followed by taking on b2 if allowed. The g5 idea helps to fight for the center. White won't have time for a check on h5 for a while anyway, and if there is, the king still has d8. I'll post some analysis later when I have time.
  
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Re: C02: Advanced French la Simon Williams
Reply #3 - 12/22/12 at 19:19:27
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I would like the g5-g4 plan without Bd7 because of the natural escape to the king to d7 after a possible check on h5 (by both B or Q). In general a little mad line like you said.

I played the exact line you give (I don't have Williams book but The Killer French dVd) before I switched to 5...Nh6 since I acquire Dangerus Weapon book. There is no practical reason to change, it's only because I like Nh6 ideas. And I play sometimes Simon's ideas in blitz games (any Bf4 at the moment).

In the position you give I don't like too much the plan Qb6 + g5, even if is recommended in PTF (book I don't have now in front of me, but our club has a copy: I'll check for sure). To play that g5-advance I'd prefer my king knight had been developed before (to Nbd7 or even Nh6 since Bxh6 loose a tempo and f6 is a thematic break already in lines with a Bxf6 by White).

After 7... Nge7 you have to be confortable with 8. exf6 gxf6 followed by Bg7 and 0-0. I like Black resultant position. And if there is no exf6 you could think in g5-g4-h5 or g5-g6-Ng6 or Ng6 without g5...

If you like the Nh6 idea then maybe

7... Qb6 followed by Nh6 with the idea of Nf7 if allowed, and then maybe g5 is a real threat I would like more.


Only ideas, not analised (maybe some idea is not good).

My two cents in that....
  
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Re: Advanced French la Simon Williams
Reply #2 - 12/22/12 at 12:52:08
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Yeah, after b3 I went for the ...g5-plan. I also thought about it after I had posted here (since I thought about the game continuation), and it looks a bit mad! Even though it is kinda in the spirit of the variation, and it is thematic.

I actually think Bf4 is a move that might be played more often at club level. Considering what is given by Simon Williams in the book (the game Hendriks-Socko, 2004 and Cumbers-Mah, 1994), I guess that the bishop is misplaced even in this line, not just after most of the regular continuations . Black often wants to expand on the kingside and the bishop is a good target. What was tricky to me was the fluid pawn structure in the center, as opposed to the lines in which White castles and Black plays ...fxe5 (7. 0-0 fxe5 8. Nxe5 Nxe5 9. dxe5 Qc7.

Thanks for pointing out that it is mentioned in PTF3, I'll have a look there.
  
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Re: Advanced French la Simon Williams
Reply #1 - 12/22/12 at 10:59:04
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There is also g5, g4 to look at here.... (Or g5, h5 etc). Maybe a bit mad Smiley

Watson actually mentions it in passing in PTF3, giving Qb6! ^ Qxb2 or g5,g4 and claiming it to be good for black. After 7.. Qb6 8 Nbd2 there isn't just Qxb2 direct there's cd cd g5 ^ g4 and then taking any of three white pawns or all sorts of other things to look at.
  
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C02: Advanced French la Simon Williams
12/22/12 at 10:15:29
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I just tried the recommendation in Attacking Chess: The French, and met the following line:



I thought about answering it with a pawn capture but more principled seemed 7 ...Qb6, which has also been played most often. Interesting now is a game by Vallejo pons against Spasov, 2003, in which Vallejo Pons chose 8. Nbd2!? Spasov declined the pawn sac, but I guess it is the most critical continuation to grab the pawn even though it looks dangerous for Black.

This variation, with 7. Bf4, is not analysed at all in the book. It is not mentioned here at Chesspub either from what I can see. Have you seen it (maybe mentioned in another book), and what is your opinion?
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