Thanks for your help!
My friend likes the move 11. ...Rd4 and is now happy again
Maybe my hole look on this variation was a bit to optimistic for the white side ...
Seemed somehow white gained at least a little bit but its because I did not understand the positions when my friend and I played
Thx!

kylemeister wrote on 12/28/12 at 05:48:00:


Thanks. I don't have the Panczyk and Ilczuk book, but it seems to me that after 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. dxe5 dxe5 8. Qxd8 Rxd8 9. Nxe5 Nxe4 10. Nxe4 Bxe5 11. Bg5 Rd4, if  12. Nf6+ Kg7 13. Ne8+ Kf8 14. Bf6 Black is fine with 14...Bxf6 15.Nxf6 Nc6 or 15...Bf5, with more than enough play if White grabs the h-pawn. In such lines Black has a compact position with very active pieces and he can often connect his rooks faster than White, who sometimes ends up wishing that he had not played c2-c4!

I always thought that after 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. dxe5 dxe5 8. Qxd8 Rxd8 9. Nxe5 Nxe4 10. Nxe4 Bxe5 11. Bg5  the best move was reckoned by theory to be 11...Rd4, with at least equality. Was I wrong?

For instance, Black can avoid a repetition after 12 Nf6+ Kg7 13 Ne8+ Kf8 14 Nf6 by playing 14...Be6!?, with complications that do not seem unfavourable to Black.

I don't see why you should play 13...Bg4 while f3 is a move white wants to play anyway to play Kf2, so 13...Bf5 is an easy improvement

Hello all!

I am not playing the KID with black but a friend of mine does. Recently he said he had problems to face the exchange variation, so we sat together and played some games, analysed etc

After a few hours we came to an interesting conclusion in one of the main exchange lines:

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 00 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Nxe5!?

as far as I know almost all books I have seen so far say that with 9. ...Nxe4! "black is at least equal".

But what after 10.Nxe4 Bxe5 11.Bg5 Rd8 12.Nf6+ Bxf6 13.Bxf6 ?

I think white is not worse here and at least at my level I think somehow white is slightly better. He is behind in development but if he can finish it without difficulites, he will be for sure better with his two bishops.
A few training games between me and my friend continued:

13. ...Bg4 14.f3 Bf5 15.Kf2 Nd7 16.Bd4 Rad8 17.Rad1

and I dont see a lot of winning chances for black. Do you have any improvements? At least it seems to me that a white player who wants a draw can play this variation with succes... And after 17.Rad1 I would prefer white ...

Any suggestions are welcome thanks!

I will now add the pgn with the variation so it is easier for you to see the variation