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Re: C30: New variation King's Gambit
Reply #8 - 02/04/13 at 15:50:46
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micawber wrote on 01/31/13 at 12:00:37:

and 4..Qe7 (in the spririt of the Keene defence) looks a little more logical. But even in this case I think that white will end up with a small plus in terms of better development.



Indeed!  I as White once won a memorable offhand game that went 4...Qe7 5.Nc3 d5 6.Kf2! (it's amazing in how many contexts and how well this standard rejoinder to ...Qe7 works -- knowning this theme, I didn't have to think more than a second) 6...dxe4 7.Nxe4 Qxe4? 8.Bb5+ Kd8 9.Re1.  Funny, I think I may have mentioned this here before.
  

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Re: C30: New variation King's Gambit
Reply #7 - 02/04/13 at 08:40:22
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sloughter wrote on 01/16/13 at 00:56:45:
Black equalizes quickly in the King's Gambit:


Black equalizes quickly in almost all lines of the King's Gambit. Not sure about this one though.
  

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Re: C30: New variation King's Gambit
Reply #6 - 01/31/13 at 12:00:37
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Some remarks. 
a) The defence is hardly new. 1.e4,e5 2.f4,f5 3.exf,Qh4+
was played as early as 1620 by Greco
b) After g3 Qf6 is hardly the best move. And Smyslov-fans variations with Nc3 look convincing to me.
besides 5.Nc3,exf 6.Qe2 (Smyslov-fan) 
5.Nc3,exf 6.d4 looks good as well.
In slaughters variation
5.Nc3 exf4 6.Qe2ch Kd8 7.d4 fxg3 8.hxg3 Nc6 9.Be3
Whites last move looks totally atrocious.
A KG player would probably choose 9.Bf4 (with threats on c7 and queenside castling) or 9.Nf3 enlarging his development advantage even at the cost of a pawn.

That being said I think 4...Qf6 is hardly the best retreat,
and 4..Qe7 (in the spririt of the Keene defence) looks a little more logical. But even in this case I think that white will end up with a small plus in terms of better development.

  
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Re: C30: New variation King's Gambit
Reply #5 - 01/16/13 at 17:49:49
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To op should be considerning to buy Houdini 3 and blunder check and look for better moves from whites point of view
  
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Re: C30: New variation King's Gambit
Reply #4 - 01/16/13 at 16:10:35
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Is this guy a provocation or what?
  

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Re: C30: New variation King's Gambit
Reply #3 - 01/16/13 at 12:27:28
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sloughter you are the Humboldt of chess Cool
  
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Re: C30: New variation King's Gambit
Reply #2 - 01/16/13 at 10:01:55
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 01/16/13 at 04:13:10:
In your example, white has not played as any human master would play the King's Gambit. The opening is a gambit, not an attempt to grab a pawn and hang on to it. White should play for quick development. Here's an example:

1. e4 e5 2. f4 f5 $6 3. exf5 Qh4+ (3... Qf6 4. Nc3 c6 5. d3 Bd6) 4. g3 Qf6 {On
the face of this, Black is in a bad way. He's down a pawn, his Q is on a bad
square, and White has easy development.     White is playing a gambit. He
should continue in gambit style and develop his pieces rather than worry about
the pawn count.} 5. Nc3 $1 {This is only an example of how White may play the
game. This is hardly a definitive best line. But I believe it gives white a
clear edge.} (5. Qh5+ $6 Kd8 6. Qg5 $2 exf4 7. Qxf4 d5 8. Nc3 c6 9. d3 $2 Bd6
10. Qf2 Qxf5) 5... exf4 6. Qe2+ Kd8 7. d4 Bb4 8. Bxf4 Qxf5 9. O-O-O Bxc3 10.
bxc3 Nf6 11. Nf3 Re8 12. Ne5 Re7 (12... d6 $2 13. Nf7+ Kd7 14. Qc4) 13. Qd2 $1
(13. Qc4 d6 14. Bg2 Qe6 (14... dxe5 15. dxe5+ $18) 15. Qxe6 Rxe6 16. Nf7+ Ke8
17. Ng5 Re7 18. Rde1 Nc6 19. Ne4 Nxe4 20. Bxe4 h6 {And white has a clear
long-term advantage due to his Bishop pair and better development.}) 13... Qh5
14. g4 Qe8 $18 {One look at this position shows the poverty of Black's play.
Houdini only gives this a 1.01 advantage after 20 ply (I didn't waste any more
computer time on the position), but I think most humans would agree that white
is close to winning.} (14... Nxg4 15. Be2) *



I don' see any difficulty for Black to equalize. Reasonable play might be:

1.e4 e5 2.f4 f5! 3.exf5 Qh4ch 4.g3 Qf6 5.Nc3 exf4 6.Qe2ch Kd8 7.d4 fxg3 8.hxg3 Nc6 9.Be3 Bb4 10.Qd3 Bxc3ch 11.bxc3 Qf7 12.Bg5ch Nf6 13.Be2 h6 14.Bh4 d6 15.c4 Ne7 16.g4 h5=
  
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Re: C30: New variation King's Gambit
Reply #1 - 01/16/13 at 04:13:10
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In your example, white has not played as any human master would play the King's Gambit. The opening is a gambit, not an attempt to grab a pawn and hang on to it. White should play for quick development. Here's an example:

1. e4 e5 2. f4 f5 $6 3. exf5 Qh4+ (3... Qf6 4. Nc3 c6 5. d3 Bd6) 4. g3 Qf6 {On
the face of this, Black is in a bad way. He's down a pawn, his Q is on a bad
square, and White has easy development.     White is playing a gambit. He
should continue in gambit style and develop his pieces rather than worry about
the pawn count.} 5. Nc3 $1 {This is only an example of how White may play the
game. This is hardly a definitive best line. But I believe it gives white a
clear edge.} (5. Qh5+ $6 Kd8 6. Qg5 $2 exf4 7. Qxf4 d5 8. Nc3 c6 9. d3 $2 Bd6
10. Qf2 Qxf5) 5... exf4 6. Qe2+ Kd8 7. d4 Bb4 8. Bxf4 Qxf5 9. O-O-O Bxc3 10.
bxc3 Nf6 11. Nf3 Re8 12. Ne5 Re7 (12... d6 $2 13. Nf7+ Kd7 14. Qc4) 13. Qd2 $1
(13. Qc4 d6 14. Bg2 Qe6 (14... dxe5 15. dxe5+ $18) 15. Qxe6 Rxe6 16. Nf7+ Ke8
17. Ng5 Re7 18. Rde1 Nc6 19. Ne4 Nxe4 20. Bxe4 h6 {And white has a clear
long-term advantage due to his Bishop pair and better development.}) 13... Qh5
14. g4 Qe8 $18 {One look at this position shows the poverty of Black's play.
Houdini only gives this a 1.01 advantage after 20 ply (I didn't waste any more
computer time on the position), but I think most humans would agree that white
is close to winning.} (14... Nxg4 15. Be2) *

  
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C30: New variation King's Gambit
01/16/13 at 00:56:45
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Black equalizes quickly in the King's Gambit:

1.e4 e5 2.f4 f5! 3.exf5 Qh4ch 4.g3 Qf6 5.Qh5ch Kd8 6.Qg5 exf4 7.Qxf4 d5 8.Nc3 c6 9.d3 Bd6 10.Qf2 Qxf5=
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