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Reply #30 - 06/10/13 at 17:36:57
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Michel Barbaut wrote on 02/19/13 at 09:53:26:
Just arrived ... seems very good, like others Moskalenko books,  but I don't find the system  4.Nf3 5.h3 6.Be3 (after 1.e4,d6 2.d4,Nf6 3.Nc3,g6), what I'm missing ?

I thing he analyses   a similar position (with pawn at c6       ) at game 15, I do not remember now other point.
I like the style of the book as he gives games rather than variations so we see and the middle game positions...
Me also I thing it is a good idea to  use it as  1-2 other books  to understud the Pirc/Modern defence
  
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Reply #29 - 02/26/13 at 15:21:06
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6...c5 7. d5 e5 looks a bit suspect to me.  I notice that Speelman, playing Velimirovic in 1983, was willing to give Black that position with an extra tempo (7...e6 8. Bc4 e5 9. Be2).
  
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Re: Viktor Moskalenko: The Perfect Pirc-Modern
Reply #28 - 02/26/13 at 10:20:31
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Nc6 leads to interesting positions, maybe white has a pull but it's a game. I'm not an expert in the variation but as i said before i think that the coverage of the clasical is not exhaustive in Moskalenko's book.

The following game is well comented in modern editions of Gligoric's I play v.s. pieces. The legendary grandmaster considered his opening play most accurate v.s black's set up.



A bit more detail about this handling of the variation with white would have been nice.
  
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Reply #27 - 02/26/13 at 09:10:06
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I am not convinced by game 32 but i think the critical line is in the notes (... b5!?). What do you think of the line : 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Be2 0-0 6.0-0 c5 7.d5 e5 Wink. Ok the computer does not like it at all for Black  Cry, but after Ne8 and f5 it's a game, what is your assesment ?
  
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Reply #26 - 02/25/13 at 19:15:03
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parisestmagique wrote on 02/25/13 at 17:26:35:
The book is very interesting and well produced. I did not found any equaliser against the "Karpovian" 5.Be2(!) for exemple but some ideas to confuse White. The author is not saying by the way that the Pirc garanty equal play.


Not convinced by Game 32? 6. ...Bg4 has been my main move and best scorer in my Pirc games.

Or the c6 systems, which are kind of Breyer like balance?

I have given 6. ...c5 a punt once, not checked his analysis of it yet.

And he also spends some time on the provocative 6. ...Nc6!?

I seem to see much less of the Karpov Krew than I did twenty years ago!


  

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Reply #25 - 02/25/13 at 17:54:46
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It would seem surprising to me if he doesn't essentially portray Black as able to equalize against the Classical.  From the sample pages, I thought he might be not showing an edge for White even against 6...Nc6.
  
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The book is very interesting and well produced. I did not found any equaliser against the "Karpovian" 5.Be2(!) for exemple but some ideas to confuse White. The author is not saying by the way that the Pirc garanty equal play.
  
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Reply #23 - 02/19/13 at 20:14:07
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Michel Barbaut wrote on 02/19/13 at 09:53:26:
Just arrived ... seems very good, like others Moskalenko books,  but I don't find the system  4.Nf3 5.h3 6.Be3 (after 1.e4,d6 2.d4,Nf6 3.Nc3,g6), what I'm missing ?


You are missing the Pirc in Black and White  Wink

Haven't found this line myself either, but then I see this book as a set of interesting weapons to add to an existing repertoire and an array of pitfalls to avoid and weed out, rather than a stand alone repertoire book.
  

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Reply #22 - 02/19/13 at 09:53:26
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Just arrived ... seems very good, like others Moskalenko books,  but I don't find the system  4.Nf3 5.h3 6.Be3 (after 1.e4,d6 2.d4,Nf6 3.Nc3,g6), what I'm missing ?
  
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Re: Viktor Moskalenko: The Perfect Pirc-Modern
Reply #21 - 02/19/13 at 00:13:46
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Maybe you Pirc players are the new target of the chess opening industrial complex   Cheesy

http://www.chessbase-shop.com/en/products/bojkov_attacking_with_the_pirc
  
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Reply #20 - 02/18/13 at 14:51:51
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Keano wrote on 02/18/13 at 10:46:50:
agropop wrote on 02/15/13 at 10:33:59:
Sometimes we trust too much in opening books. As a starting point a good book is enough but you have to develop your own opinions, look for alternative variations if something doesn't suit you well, do your independent work...not relying too much on the engine, etc, etc. And of course, enjoy the process!


Excellent point agropop, I've been trying to say the same on here for years, welcome aboard!


That is indeed the essence of good preparation: to develop your own theory.

But as to the Pirc, there seem to me to be so many ways for White to play for the win!  Black's burden against a good opponent seems rather heavy.
  

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Reply #19 - 02/18/13 at 13:51:37
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kylemeister wrote on 02/17/13 at 18:03:21:
agropop wrote on 02/13/13 at 09:11:16:
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Well, if the !? sign is so annoying i can edit the previous  post. BTW I was giving my opinion about the book. My apologies


No worries, and I did find your post informative.  I can't help adding that I see that Moskalenko gives 6...Nc6 7. e5 de 8. fe Nh5"!?".  As far as I know, that has been the main move there for 40+ years, since soon after Fischer mentioned it in My 60 Memorable Games


To me, the !? used here indicates that of the choices available to Black, this is one of the better ones, but the line still isn't any guarantee of equality, i.e. an interesting try, even if obviously, not a new one.

I'm liking the book the more I read it and I'm finding his assessments interesting !?

For example, the Austrian 6...Nc6 7. 0-0 Bg4, your engine and your reading of PiB&W might give you some optimism, but his GM assessment is, too passive, don't go there.
  

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Re: Viktor Moskalenko: The Perfect Pirc-Modern
Reply #18 - 02/18/13 at 10:46:50
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agropop wrote on 02/15/13 at 10:33:59:
Sometimes we trust too much in opening books. As a starting point a good book is enough but you have to develop your own opinions, look for alternative variations if something doesn't suit you well, do your independent work...not relying too much on the engine, etc, etc. And of course, enjoy the process!


Excellent point agropop, I've been trying to say the same on here for years, welcome aboard!
  
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Reply #17 - 02/18/13 at 06:44:24
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kylemeister wrote on 02/17/13 at 18:03:21:
agropop wrote on 02/13/13 at 09:11:16:
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Well, if the !? sign is so annoying i can edit the previous  post. BTW I was giving my opinion about the book. My apologies


No worries, and I did find your post informative.  I can't help adding that I see that Moskalenko gives 6...Nc6 7. e5 de 8. fe Nh5"!?".  As far as I know, that has been the main move there for 40+ years, since soon after Fischer mentioned it in My 60 Memorable Games


Indeed 1.e4!!?? d6!? (1.-b6?!!, 1.-a6??!!, 1.-g5???!!!) Cheesy
  

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Re: Viktor Moskalenko: The Perfect Pirc-Modern
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agropop wrote on 02/13/13 at 09:11:16:
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Well, if the !? sign is so annoying i can edit the previous  post. BTW I was giving my opinion about the book. My apologies


No worries, and I did find your post informative.  I can't help adding that I see that Moskalenko gives 6...Nc6 7. e5 de 8. fe Nh5"!?".  As far as I know, that has been the main move there for 40+ years, since soon after Fischer mentioned it in My 60 Memorable Games
  
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Re: Viktor Moskalenko: The Perfect Pirc-Modern
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parisestmagique wrote on 02/14/13 at 21:33:52:
in the books it's always good for Black but in practice, you just see White making mistakes and you dont often get the better game" i can add at the difference of the sicilian defense where a white mistake often cost dearly.


Yes, this is probably true. But a black mistake in the sicilian is often the last as well!
Sometimes we trust too much in opening books. As a starting point a good book is enough but you have to develop your own opinions, look for alternative variations if something doesn't suit you well, do your independent work...not relying too much on the engine, etc, etc. And of course, enjoy the process!
  
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Reply #14 - 02/14/13 at 21:46:32
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parisestmagique wrote on 02/14/13 at 21:33:52:
Maybe because it's easy to classify and maybe bacause it's not so tactical (except in the Austrian attack).


I don´t think that´s true. There are so many transpositional possibilities in many lines which make it actually quite a difficult opening to master.

For example, look at Vigus´ try to organize the material after 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 in his books on the Pirc. That´s one reason why the Pirc/Modern is unsuitable for weaker players.

You need a good understanding of a lot of subtle points to play these openings well.
  
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Re: Viktor Moskalenko: The Perfect Pirc-Modern
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Hi, i dont have the book yet. Just some thoughts, i wonder why there is so much books about the Pirc and modern, i must have at least 10 at home. Maybe because it's easy to classify and maybe bacause it's not so tactical (except in the Austrian attack). I will always remember a quote about the Pirc by a french Master " in the books it's always good for Black but in practice, you just see White making mistakes and you dont often get the better game" i can add at the difference of the sicilian defense where a white mistake often cost dearly.
  
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kylemeister wrote on 02/12/13 at 16:44:13:
Well, 5...0-0 6. Bd3 Nc6 is traditionally one of the very main lines of the Austrian, though I suppose it may be the usual view of recent years that White should be able to get an edge against it.  (Recently in Informator and NIC Yearbook I have seen "!?" affixed to 1. e4, 1. g3, and 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. h3 0-0 6. Bg5 c5.  Maybe we could agree that chess as a whole is interesting, or come up with a new symbol meaning "is not interesting/doesn't deserve further attention," or something -- just for variety.)


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agropop wrote on 02/12/13 at 15:47:06:
I'm looking forward having enough time to make a serious work for improving (towards perfection?  Wink) my Pirc/modern!



You've pretty much summed up my thoughts on this book too.
  

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Well, 5...0-0 6. Bd3 Nc6 is traditionally one of the very main lines of the Austrian, though I suppose it may be the usual view of recent years that White should be able to get an edge against it.  (Recently in Informator and NIC Yearbook I have seen "!?" affixed to 1. e4, 1. g3, and 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. h3 0-0 6. Bg5 c5.  Maybe we could agree that chess as a whole is interesting, or come up with a new symbol meaning "is not interesting/doesn't deserve further attention," or something -- just for variety.)
  
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I already have the book and I can say that i had what I expected. The austrian attack and 4. Bg5 chapters are just great. The author advocates,in the austrian, the 5...0-0 6. Bd3 Nc6!? line but also covers 6...Na6 with great detail. As I already had an opinion about this concrete line this was the first chapter I checked and I can say that is high standard.

I haven't got Vigus but previously had read Pirc Alert and I was a bit disappointed with the theoretical part, not only because it's dated (something unavoidable) but also with the lines chosen and the lack of detail in some critical lines...excessive optimism (I don't need to be misled, i already have bought the book  Tongue) In these aspects I believe this book is far better, and like other Moskalenko's books, there are lot of interesting  ideas (new or few tested) everywhere, which makes a very dense reading. One can find answers but new questions are opened in return.

The only Thing I didn't like is that the chapter devoted to lines with 4.Be3 and Qd2 focuses IMO too much in the sämich approach, flexible lines with Be3-Qd2 and short castling are briefly covered. And maybe more detail could be devoted to the classical system. Anyway Tiger-style lines with a6 and Gurgenizde set-ups are also covered. I'm looking forward having enough time to make a serious work for improving (towards perfection?  Wink) my Pirc/modern!

  
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1. Yes, well worth getting.
2. Both P and M.
  
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Reply #7 - 02/11/13 at 23:00:04
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Is the book is worthwhile even if you own the chess developments book by Vigus (which by the way seems a pretty good summary of recent developments)?

Is the coverage of Be3 lines by Victor focus on modern move orders or both Pirc & Modern?

  
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Reply #6 - 02/11/13 at 21:05:22
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I need to spend more time with this book, but I really like what I see so far. Every page seems to be brimming with ideas.

Curse you Moskalenko, I'm going to have to keep playing the Pirc  Angry
  

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Reply #5 - 01/27/13 at 16:37:52
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JEH wrote on 01/27/13 at 13:55:20:
Ah well, I've already ordered it Roll Eyes


Me too. Smiley

But at least against 1.e4 I play 1...e5 more often than 1...d6/g6.
  
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Sorry, for not explaininng my "problem" deeply enough.


Seems more like you are describing a solution, rather than a problem, Patzer King, and and you aren't alone in using it.

Personally, I mostly use the Pirc move order to deny White some KID variations when I go for that transpositon, and also to allow me to plat the 3. ...c6 Czech. But the Modern mover order, and transposing to the Pirc (which I identify as when Black plays Nf6) or Modern (moving Ng8 somewhere else or delaying it) as desired is an alternative. I am hoping Moskalenko adopts this approch.

I spent last year learning some new openings and trying to wean myself of my obsession with fianchettoing my King's Bishop, but books like this don't help  Wink

Ah well, I've already ordered it Roll Eyes
  

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Sorry, for not explaininng my "problem" deeply enough. My approch is to start every game with 1...g6, 2...Lg7, 3...d6 and then to decide to enter the Pirc or the Modern.
I don´t like entering the Pirc after 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Be3 Nf6 5.Qd2 and now:
A) 5...0-0 6.0-0-0 c6 7.f3 b5 8.Bh6. I faced this OTB and analyzed this and it is hard to play against it with Black. Reading the DW or CD book, didn´t changed my opinion.
B) 5...c6 6.Bh6

So, I have to play the Modern which is ok for me.
Of course it is my point of view, other people could have other opinions about the different lines.
By the way I like 4...a6 in the Pirc to play against 4.Le3, which is analyzed very good in CD:The Pirc by Mr. Vigus.
The second (and last) line where I do not know if I should play the Pirc or Modern is the Austrian Attack. At the moment I like more the Pirc to play against the Austrian Attack. Against all others variations I like plaing both (Pirc and Modern).
  
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PatzerKing wrote on 01/26/13 at 09:10:50:
I am also eager to see how he solves “my” Pirc/Modern move-order problem: 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Be3. In this variation I have to play the Modern because otherwise I have to play against the Argentinian Attack which is a problem after an early Bh6 after each side have castled.

I don't entirely get this. First you might take a look at Dangerous Weapon, chapter 1. Second Black doesn't have to castle after 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Be3 Nf6 5.Qd2. Third if you play this move order you don't even have to play ...Nf6. Black has several other more useful moves: ...c6; ....b5; ...Nb8-d7-b6. I'd say that ...Bg7 is more useful here than ...Nf6. I'd say that after 4.Be3 c6 5.f4 Black faces more problems than after 5.Qd2.
  

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Re: Viktor Moskalenko: The Perfect Pirc-Modern
Reply #1 - 01/26/13 at 13:04:46
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Looking at the excerpt it seems to me Moskalenko concentrates more on the Pirc move order and the Modern is relegated to the notes.

At least the TOC suggests he only covers the Pirc against the Austrian Attack.

Against 4.Be3 the Modern move order is definitely more flexible. Personally in the past I have always chosen to delay the development of the knight on g8 to sidestep some dangerous lines.
  
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Viktor Moskalenko: The Perfect Pirc-Modern
01/26/13 at 09:10:50
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Hi,

the new Pirc/Modern book by Viktor Moskalenko is published and a pdf-excerpt is avaialble (New in Chess -> Shop).
I had a look at it and the second-to-last chapter (chapter 7) is the classical variation which seems to start with Game# 31, so the Austrian Attack with 5…c5 (#2), Austrian Attack with 5….0-0 (#3), 4.Be3 (#4), Byrne 4.Bg5 (#5) and Fianchetto (#6) are covered within 30 games. I am interested to see how he manages this especially he tries to cover the Pirc and the Modern.
Another point I see in the excerpt that he only have one game with h6+g5 in the Byrne Variation which is considered as a good try for White in the latest book by James Vigus.
I am also eager to see how he solves “my” Pirc/Modern move-order problem: 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Be3. In this variation I have to play the Modern because otherwise I have to play against the Argentinian Attack which is a problem after an early Bh6 after each side have castled.
Anyway are you playing the Pirc or the Modern or which move-order do you play to enter the Pric/Modern-complex?
  
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