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Re: Torre attack Ivanchuk style
Reply #8 - 06/06/13 at 23:49:05
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This is one the main games on the DVD, with I believe the position you mention after 7...Nc6:



I don't give any of Martin's variations, but they were very light anyway. Andrew Martin DVDs are more about enthusiasm for the opening than deep, accurate analysis.
  

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Reply #7 - 06/06/13 at 20:28:12
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I wonder how Andrew had White playing after, say, the earlier-mentioned 7...Nc6 (instead of 7...0-0).
  
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Reply #6 - 06/06/13 at 18:36:16
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The idea played by Ivanchuk with Bxf6 and h4 was recommended by Andrew Martin on his Trompowsky DVD for Chessbase (via 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 e6 3.e3 etc. - if Black plays an early ...d5 White plays a Stonewall with the bishop outside the pawn chain instead). He used games by GM Igor Miladinovic, who has used it a lot.

I played it in a few games, and had most problems when Black delayed castling and even sometimes castled long. Martin also considered lines with ...0-0-0 the toughest nut to crack.

Aronian's treatment also looked good in the game, though I haven't analyzed it.
  

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Reply #5 - 06/06/13 at 17:59:35
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Ah yes.  Well frankly I recall that when I glanced at it I was surprised that a 2000+ player could be recommending such a thing.
  
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Reply #4 - 06/06/13 at 16:57:34
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It was a pretty good book by Ron Curry.  He called it the curry opening.
  
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Reply #3 - 03/18/13 at 06:44:35
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As an aside, I recall briefly seeing a book by a perhaps 2000-ish player advocating a system for White (which I think the author named after himself) apparently based on the idea of playing the Torre with Qc2 plus 0-0-0 and a kingside attack.  Good luck with that ...
  
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Re: Torre attack Ivanchuk style
Reply #2 - 03/18/13 at 00:16:25
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kylemeister wrote on 03/17/13 at 21:48:09:
...Nc6 is quite normal, e.g. on move 7, though I notice that 7...0-0 has been played by the likes of Tal and Spassky


There shouldn't be anything wrong with 0-0 but next time I reach the position, I ought to ask myself whether my opponent has any sort of reputation as a dangerous hacker. By way of context, I find myself paired against Simon Williams relatively frequently. Whilst I doubt he would ever use such a wimpy system, the Ivanchuk precedent is that potentially dangerous stuff remains possible until White has played 0-0. If nothing else, it resolves the issue as to whether to play h6 or not.
  
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Re: Torre attack Ivanchuk style
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...Nc6 is quite normal, e.g. on move 7, though I notice that 7...0-0 has been played by the likes of Tal and Spassky (Velikov-Tal is a game I recall as perhaps a model for Black, incidentally).
  
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Torre attack Ivanchuk style
03/17/13 at 20:58:21
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Today's game in the London Candidates between Ivanchuk and Aronian started 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5 e6 3. Nd2 c5 4. e3 b6 5. Nf3 Bb7 6. Bd3 Be7 7. c3 0-0 and now instead of 8. 0-0, he tried 8. Bxf6 Bxf6 9. h4. Aronian defended with 9. .. Nc6 followed by Ne7 and there wasn't enough of an attack.

I never really know whether playing h6 by Black at move 3, 4 or 5 to provoke Bh4 is useful or not. If there's the potential of a g4, h4 attack then perhaps it's best avoided.

Super GMs are a law unto themselves, but it may be necessary  for the rest of us to "know your opponent" as to whether the quiet system play of d4, c3, e3, Bg5, Nf3, N1d2 is a prelude to a sudden change of gear with an attack using the king side pawns. Safety play might be possible by Black, defer castling by playing a few more of the normal moves such as d6, Nbd7, a6, Qc7.
  
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