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Re: New Open Games book
Reply #31 - 07/13/13 at 03:37:47
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Tried to register but system of passkeys is so complicated that they won't get any registrants, let alone subscribers.
  
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Re: New Open Games book
Reply #30 - 07/10/13 at 22:13:19
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ErictheRed wrote on 07/10/13 at 19:05:29:
SteelyDanIII wrote on 07/10/13 at 14:54:47:
Scarblac wrote on 07/09/13 at 20:47:10:
I was confused at first, but the key is that "the indicated move" is the move that happens in the distorted diagram when you click "Play". I thought they wanted the obviously best move, or so...

Exactly what I missed too, thanks for that


Yes, I think that the passthrough process is far too cumbersome and confusing, as is entering the move.  Markovich, I strongly suggest simplifying it, perhaps only have a user enter the final square ('c5,' for example) of a move.  'R' 'a' '2' 'x' 'd' '2' '<blank>' '+' is just too much.  And is there a reason that the diagram is so distorted?  I've never seen a more cumbersome passthrough on any website.


You find those squiggly nonsense words easy to read, do you?

There are about 8500 different short-algebraic moves in the passthrough data set, which is all the different moves played in 1.47 million games of chess in the data base.  The passthrough would not be worth very much if it had only 64 possible solutions.  Too easy to enter by brute force.

The diagram is skewed for the same reason the nonsense words in a run-of-the-mill capcha are squiggly.

If you don't like it, just register, a free procedure, and you'll never have to bother with the passthrough again.


  

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Re: New Open Games book
Reply #29 - 07/10/13 at 19:05:29
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SteelyDanIII wrote on 07/10/13 at 14:54:47:
Scarblac wrote on 07/09/13 at 20:47:10:
I was confused at first, but the key is that "the indicated move" is the move that happens in the distorted diagram when you click "Play". I thought they wanted the obviously best move, or so...

Exactly what I missed too, thanks for that


Yes, I think that the passthrough process is far too cumbersome and confusing, as is entering the move.  Markovich, I strongly suggest simplifying it, perhaps only have a user enter the final square ('c5,' for example) of a move.  'R' 'a' '2' 'x' 'd' '2' '<blank>' '+' is just too much.  And is there a reason that the diagram is so distorted?  I've never seen a more cumbersome passthrough on any website.
  
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Re: New Open Games book
Reply #28 - 07/10/13 at 14:54:47
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Scarblac wrote on 07/09/13 at 20:47:10:
I was confused at first, but the key is that "the indicated move" is the move that happens in the distorted diagram when you click "Play". I thought they wanted the obviously best move, or so...

Exactly what I missed too, thanks for that
  
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Re: New Open Games book
Reply #27 - 07/09/13 at 23:20:30
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LeeRoth wrote on 06/22/13 at 16:38:07:
The pass through works for me too.  You just have to be precise.  The site looks very promising. In the 4.Ng5 Two Knights, the main line (i.e., the top choice in the analysis tree) appears to follow the game Morozevich-Graf, Alushta 1994. 




Note that after 18.Qe1, the move 18..Rfe8 may be an improvement over Graf's 18..c5. 

After 18..c5, a later game showed that White could play 19.Nxe4 and trade down to a favorable ending. 

Also, after the game continuation 18..c5 19.Kh1, the improvement Bb7! was better than Graf's 19..Nc6, at least according to Morozevich and Blatny.   



If you have any further ideas about 18...Rfe8, this would be an excellent occasion for your submitting a brief (or not so brief) analysis.  I would be happy to make you a charter (permanent) member of the working group, if you would message me privately.

However, if you look here:

https://1e5.chesstheory.org/p.php?z=pt&a=39801&b=0&c=39801&d=0

you will see that 18...Rfe8 has been played in four games, and the various continuations.  It's possible that you may have to register (a free procedure) to see this, because mere guests are not allowed to see the tree to its full extent.

The line that you mention (18...c5) is indeed found on the most frequently played (top) path, but it is not part of the public repertoire (visible if you use Settings and set "highlight something" to "public repertoire for Black), which uses 10...Bc5.
  

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Reply #26 - 07/09/13 at 21:20:17
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dfan wrote on 07/09/13 at 21:12:53:
Also, you have to enter it in short algebraic notation although it looks like they want long.


It does say, short notation. But we will have to put our minds to making it easier. Still, if you register (a free procedure), you never have to use the passthrough.
  

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Reply #25 - 07/09/13 at 21:17:04
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The 1.e5 (except Spanish) public repertoire is complete. I plan next to supply a Spanish repertoire, which will incorporate the Open, but reached via 3...Nf6 4.0-0 Nxe4 5.d4 a6.
  

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Reply #24 - 07/09/13 at 21:12:53
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Also, you have to enter it in short algebraic notation although it looks like they want long.
  
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Re: New Open Games book
Reply #23 - 07/09/13 at 20:47:10
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SteelyDanIII wrote on 06/21/13 at 10:56:44:
How does the passthrough work? I got frustrated after some ten failed attempts.

I was confused at first, but the key is that "the indicated move" is the move that happens in the distorted diagram when you click "Play". I thought they wanted the obviously best move, or so...
  
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Re: New Open Games book
Reply #22 - 07/09/13 at 20:10:58
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Mortal Games wrote on 06/14/13 at 18:43:55:
There is another book on the horizon: A vigorous chess opening repertoire for Black: Tackling 1.e4 with 1...e5 but the author is a mystery. 



Wait.  ...This is the "vigorous" Petrov???
  

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Re: New Open Games book
Reply #21 - 06/22/13 at 16:38:07
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The pass through works for me too.  You just have to be precise.  The site looks very promising. In the 4.Ng5 Two Knights, the main line (i.e., the top choice in the analysis tree) appears to follow the game Morozevich-Graf, Alushta 1994. 




Note that after 18.Qe1, the move 18..Rfe8 may be an improvement over Graf's 18..c5. 

After 18..c5, a later game showed that White could play 19.Nxe4 and trade down to a favorable ending. 

Also, after the game continuation 18..c5 19.Kh1, the improvement Bb7! was better than Graf's 19..Nc6, at least according to Morozevich and Blatny.   

  
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Re: New Open Games book
Reply #20 - 06/22/13 at 13:41:33
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SteelyDanIII wrote on 06/21/13 at 10:56:44:
Markovich wrote on 06/21/13 at 02:04:18:
For those interested, the is a freely available 1...e5 repertoire for Black available at https://1e5.org . It includes the Two Knights. It does not cover the Spanish, a Black repertoire versus which will eventually be available at https://ruylopez.org.


How does the passthrough work? I got frustrated after some ten failed attempts.

It worked just now for me. Did you read the instructions?
  

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Re: New Open Games book
Reply #19 - 06/21/13 at 15:46:22
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As a fan of your YouTube videos I hope that you can find the time to do both books. I would like to see some of the lines being played in your videos.

Chessexplained wrote on 06/21/13 at 08:43:19:
The planned Everyman book should have the two knights - at least it was planned that way some months ago. Back then I was deciding between doing this book or the Nimzo/Bogo one I am in fact writing now. At the time it was planned as being a bit more aggressive than some more solid choices other books offer. 

  
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Re: New Open Games book
Reply #18 - 06/21/13 at 10:56:44
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Markovich wrote on 06/21/13 at 02:04:18:
For those interested, the is a freely available 1...e5 repertoire for Black available at https://1e5.org . It includes the Two Knights. It does not cover the Spanish, a Black repertoire versus which will eventually be available at https://ruylopez.org.


How does the passthrough work? I got frustrated after some ten failed attempts.
  
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Re: New Open Games book
Reply #17 - 06/21/13 at 08:43:19
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The planned Everyman book should have the two knights - at least it was planned that way some months ago. Back then I was deciding between doing this book or the Nimzo/Bogo one I am in fact writing now. At the time it was planned as being a bit more aggressive than some more solid choices other books offer. 
  
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