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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #35 - 08/14/13 at 03:47:43
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I see both as unhelpful.
  
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #34 - 08/14/13 at 03:30:28
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Sloughter is making an effort to be more relevant.

If we look at posts made by players not named sloughter, his posts are in line with some of those. Let's take a look:

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Addition to equalizer-line Nomination#1:

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1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d4 exd4 6.cxd4 Bb4+ 7.Nbd2 Bxd2+ 8.Bxd2 Nxe4 9.d5 Ne7 10.Be3 d6 11.0–0 [11.Qc2 Nc5 12.Nd4 (12.b4 Nd7 13.0–0 0–0 14.Rae1 (14.Rac1 Nb6 15.Rfe1 Bf5 16.Qb3 Re8 17.Nd4 Nxc4 18.Qxc4 Be4 19.Nb5 Bxd5 20.Qxc7 Nf5³) 14...Nb6 (14...h6 15.Bd4 Nb6 16.Bb3 (16.Qb3 Bf5³) 16...Nexd5³) 15.Bd3 h6 16.Bd4 (16.Bxb6 axb6 17.Be4 (17.Rc1 Nxd5–+) 17...Re8 18.Nd4 (18.Rc1 f5 19.Bd3 Nxd5µ) 18...Bd7 19.Re3 c6 20.dxc6 bxc6 21.b5 d5 22.Bh7+ Kh8 23.bxc6 Nxc6 24.Nxc6 Bxc6 25.Qxc6 Rxe3 26.fxe3 Kxh7 27.Rxf7 Rxa2³) 16...Nexd5 (16...Nbxd5³) 17.a3 (17.Bh7+ Kh8 18.a3 Re8 19.h3 Rxe1 20.Rxe1 Be6³) 17...a5 18.b5 Bd7³ (18...Nf4³) ) 12...a6 13.b4 Nd7 14.0–0 0–0 15.a4 a) 15.Bg5 15...Nb6  –0.41 15...Re8 16.Rac1 h6 17.Bxe7 Rxe7 18.Nf5 Re5³ (18...Re8³) ; b) 15.Rfe1 Nb6 16.Bg5 Re8 17.Bb3 h6 18.Bxe7 Rxe7 19.Rxe7 Qxe7 20.Qc3 Qg5³; 15...Re8 (15...Nb6³) 16.Rfe1 (16.a5 h6 17.Rfe1 Nf6 18.Qb3 Nf5 19.Nxf5 Bxf5³) 16...h6 17.Rac1 Nb6 18.a5 (18.Bb3 Nbxd5³) 18...Nbxd5 19.Qb3 c6 20.Bd2 Bg4 (20...Bd7³) 21.Qg3 Qd7 22.h3 Bh5 23.Bxh6 Bg6 24.Bg5 Nf5 25.Nxf5 Qxf5³] 11...0–0 12.Re1 [12.h3 Nf5 13.Bf4 a5 14.Re1 (14.Qc2 Nc5 15.Rfe1 Nh4³) 14...Nc5 15.Rc1 h6 16.Qc2 Bd7³ (16...Nh4 17.Nxh4 Qxh4³) ] 12...Bg4 13.h3 [13.Rc1 Nf5 14.Bf4 Re8 15.h3 Bxf3 16.Qxf3 Nh4 17.Qd3 Nc5=] 13...Bh5 14.Rc1 [14.Bd3 Nf6 (14...f5!?) 15.g4 (15.Bc4 Re8 16.Bg5 Nd7 17.Rc1 h6³) 15...Bg6 16.Bc4 Re8 17.Qb3 a6³ 18.Qxb7 Qd7 19.Qb3 Nxg4 20.Bd4 Nh6µ; 14.g4 Bg6 15.Qb3 a6 16.Rad1 Qd7 17.Bd3 f5 18.Bxe4 fxe4 19.Ng5 Qb5 20.Ne6 Qxb3 21.axb3 Rf3 22.Ng5 Rf6³ 0.07/14 ] 14...Qd7 [14...a6 15.Bd3 Nf6=] 15.g4 [15.Bd4 Ng5 16.Be2 Bxf3 17.Bxf3 c5 (17...Nxf3+ 18.Qxf3 Rfe8 19.Qb3 c6 20.dxc6 bxc6 21.Qa4 Nf5³) 18.dxc6 Nxf3+ 19.Qxf3 bxc6³] 15...Bxg4 [15...Bg6 16.Nh4 (16.Nd2 Nxd2 17.Qxd2 f5) 16...f5 17.f3 (17.Nxg6 Nxg6 18.Bd3 Nh4 19.f3 Nc5³) 17...Nf6 18.Bd4 a6 19.Re6 Rf7 20.Nxg6 Nxg6 21.Bxf6 Rxf6 22.Rxf6 gxf6 23.Bd3 fxg4 24.hxg4 Re8³] 16.hxg4 Qxg4+ 17.Kf1 Qh3+ [17...Nf5 18.Bd3 Qh3+ 19.Kg1 Qg4+=] 18.Ke2 Rae8 19.Bd3 Nxd5 20.Bxe4 Nxe3 21.Kxe3 Qf5 22.Kd2 Rxe4 23.Rxe4 Qxe4 24.Rxc7 d5 25.Rxb7 Qf4+ 26.Kc2 [26.Ke1 Re8+ 27.Kf1 Qc4+ 28.Kg2 Qg4+=] 26...Rc8+ 27.Kd3 Qc4+ [27...g5!?] 28.Kd2 Qf4+ =
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I think Black has nothing to fear after 10.Be3; in most lines Black is slightly better and can go for an easy draw or can take some minor risks to get even more. White is a pawn down and sets all hopes to the d5 pawn; the more I analyse this position, the weaker seems the pawn and consequently the whole white position. In general Black has to avoid moves like b7b6 or Ne4-d6, because they lead to disharmony, even if they are rybka´s first choice quite often.


And this one:

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The variation 8.Qf3 h6 is supposedly equal but the ability of White to play Ba4 gaining a tempo favors White:

Black has a number of tries in the main line of the Two Knights' Defense that are favored by some players and theoreticians. One that seems premature is: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5+ c6 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Qf3 h6?! 9.Ne4 Nd5 10.Ba4! (This gains a tempo; White prepares to defend b3 with Bb3) Be7 11.O-O (There is no rush to play Nec3; Black still can't play f5 because of Qh5+) O-O 12.Nec3 (Ng3 invites the pawn storm) Be6 13.Bb3 (I don't want to have to worry about Bd5) a6!? (Black wants to play c5 without having to worry about Nb5) 14.d3 Qc7 15.Bd2 Rab8 16.Na3 Bg5 17.Qd1 Rfd8 18.Qc1 Nxb3 19.bxc3 Bxd2 (Black is in trouble; simplifying a pawn down looks suspect but there is nothing else) 20.Qxd2 Qd6 (Black is reduced to one move threats) 21.Qc1 (Defending and preparing to counter attack) Qc5 22.Nb1 e4 23.d4 Qf5 24.Re1 c5 25.Qe3 Rbc8 26.Na3 (There are back rank threats again) cxd4 27.cxd4 Qf6 28.Qxe4 Nxb3 29.axb3 Rxd4 30.Qe5 +/=  Against a human there might be winning chances, but against Houdini it is another draw.


Why should one comment be allowed to stand and the other one deleted? Is it really the content, or the person making the comment that you wish to censor?
  
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #33 - 08/13/13 at 22:28:36
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Yes, agree. Delete, be tidy. People keep posting 'look at me' rubbish, despite multiple warnings, just delete straight off.
Why drag the place down with such dross?
  
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #32 - 08/13/13 at 18:28:26
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Markovich wrote on 08/12/13 at 20:16:22:
barnaby wrote on 08/12/13 at 15:54:54:
fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me


But sloughter's topics clog the top of every section of the forum where he posts.  So if you want to see a topic of significance, you need to do extra clicks.  As pointed out by someone else, they give new visitors a false impression of the character of this forum and what constitutes a reasonable post.

So I don't quite understand the logic of locking these weird threads of his.  Deletion would be much tidier and would sacrifice essentially nothing.


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bold emphasis mine and i agree 100% with the emboldened sentiment ... and that was my actual point ... its clear some people are not able or willing to understand and conform to community standards regardless of how many attempts they are given

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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #31 - 08/12/13 at 20:16:22
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barnaby wrote on 08/12/13 at 15:54:54:
fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me


But sloughter's topics clog the top of every section of the forum where he posts.  So if you want to see a topic of significance, you need to do extra clicks.  As pointed out by someone else, they give new visitors a false impression of the character of this forum and what constitutes a reasonable post.

So I don't quite understand the logic of locking these weird threads of his.  Deletion would be much tidier and would sacrifice essentially nothing.
  
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #30 - 08/12/13 at 15:54:54
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fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me
  
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #29 - 08/11/13 at 04:34:07
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 08/10/13 at 17:11:03:
I often delete the threads a few days after locking it. I had planned to delete that thread after this weekend.

I explain my actions for the interested reader.

Unless there is a dire need to clear out old threads, I see absolutely nothing wrong with the way I chose to handle this, and I see certain benefits. I believe in transparency.

I am also aware that this site has fewer players commenting than it used to have. We need to be as welcoming as possible to new players. If we appear to be draconian in what we allow, that may stymie further discourse.

And yes, I do aggressively delete posts that clearly break site rules. The management team can see how many threads I delete.


SF, thanks for clarifying the issue. Of course, locking and then deleting the thread is fine for me.

I see it the other way around, though, if we allow crap like sloughter has posted, new users might be less interested in the forum.
  
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #28 - 08/10/13 at 17:11:03
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I often delete the threads a few days after locking it. I had planned to delete that thread after this weekend.

I explain my actions for the interested reader.

Unless there is a dire need to clear out old threads, I see absolutely nothing wrong with the way I chose to handle this, and I see certain benefits. I believe in transparency.

I am also aware that this site has fewer players commenting than it used to have. We need to be as welcoming as possible to new players. If we appear to be draconian in what we allow, that may stymie further discourse.

And yes, I do aggressively delete posts that clearly break site rules. The management team can see how many threads I delete.
  
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #27 - 08/10/13 at 10:48:53
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This is what a moderator suggested:

I have given Sloughter every chance to add to this thread, add some analysis, make it clear he understands what his threads need.

He has ignored messages and has instead continued to create new threads with no analysis.

It's time to lock this thread.

If sloughter decides to post a thread that contains analysis, great. If his threads are just games played against engines with no analysis, they will be locked.


I don't get it. Why keep the threads at all?
  
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #26 - 07/26/13 at 08:32:50
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 07/26/13 at 07:24:35:
Really, Tony, you should support the few who are willing to submit concrete analysis. There is an abundance of members who are just spreading platitudes, e.g. that 1. e4 c5 2.Nf3 were the only way to play for an advantage, and similar empty noise.

I didn't mean to suggest that we delete posts with analysis, just bare game scores. Maybe we should remove all empty prose as well, but that might cause no end of trouble! Smiley
  
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #25 - 07/26/13 at 07:24:35
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 07/25/13 at 08:33:02:
I'm happy if Moderators delete all empty posts that only contain bare moves.

In the same spirit, I propose to delete all empty posts that only contain text and no chess moves.  Smiley

Really, Tony, you should support the few who are willing to submit concrete analysis. There is an abundance of members who are just spreading platitudes, e.g. that 1. e4 c5 2.Nf3 were the only way to play for an advantage, and similar empty noise.
  
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #24 - 07/25/13 at 08:33:02
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Bibs wrote on 07/25/13 at 01:17:02:
And happy birthday to 'Grandmaster Kosten' for this week.

Thanks! Smiley
I'm happy if Moderators delete all empty posts that only contain bare moves.
  
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #23 - 07/25/13 at 08:12:33
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Btw. there's not only the just mentioned sloughter being unable to communicate. I remember someone advocating gambit lines in the same style most of his posts. If you think this is better I envy you about it. For me it evokes the same awkward feelings.

How would you generate a good rule for this. "Posting simply a line without commenting or replying to earlier comments will be deleted." Don't think this helps really, even if this would level up the quality of some topics very much in an ideal world. Another possible rule: "Solitaire posts are deleted as solitaire engine lines." This causes the same problems.

Is it the task of a moderator to free the forum members from people invoking bad feelings?  Undecided
  
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #22 - 07/25/13 at 01:31:52
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Bibs wrote on 07/25/13 at 01:17:02:
Be happy, enjoy your day,
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And you as well.
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Thank you
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I'm reminded again of something Short wrote recently, approximately "The biggest fallacy in chess is the quasi-religious belief in the primacy of the opening."
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #21 - 07/25/13 at 01:17:02
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I am not sure the goes by the name of 'Grandmaster Kosten', but perhaps he may correct this. And happy birthday to 'Grandmaster Kosten' for this week.

Simple enough I'd have thought, all of this.

Chess theory site: discuss chess theory.
Note 'discuss'. Note 'chess theory'.

Cut/paste games do neither. Irrelevant, distracting, time-wasting. So delete.

Just like to see a social constructivist environment function well. That's it. Should the likes of sloughter, gambit etc behave and post constructively for discussion, great, very welcome. If appears ego-driven, trolling type stuff, then the judgment will be made to lock and/or delete. I believe that the majority will back this, and they have been doing so.

Chess anyone? Or to make it clearer re: an earlier comment of SF, chess theory anyone?

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