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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #50 - 09/04/13 at 06:59:46
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #49 - 09/03/13 at 20:20:43
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ghenghisclown wrote on 08/24/13 at 02:16:39:
Smyslov_Fan wrote on 07/22/13 at 09:12:21:
For me, the value of his solitaire chess games is brought out in the responses from others. If there are no responses, the thread will die of its own.



That is so true.


And, moreover, it is really true.  So, so true.
  

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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #48 - 08/24/13 at 02:16:39
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 07/22/13 at 09:12:21:
For me, the value of his solitaire chess games is brought out in the responses from others. If there are no responses, the thread will die of its own.



That is so true.
  

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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #47 - 08/18/13 at 07:50:21
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One of the examples I used earlier was posted in the Kaissiber thread. I was not moderating the section at the time, another was. That post was not considered inappropriate at the time it was made.

For me, the job of the moderator is to remove

  • personal attacks,
  • unwanted ads,
  • obscenities, and
  • irrelevant posts.


Several of sloughter's threads have been irrelevant, and I have locked or deleted them. I did not lock or delete his threads because he used an engine, I locked irrelevant threads. Most of our regular contributors use engines extensively. I will lock threads that do not generate any feedback but remain near the top of the lists because the originator continues to post in it.

I will also delete personal attacks.
  
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #46 - 08/18/13 at 02:53:33
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 08/14/13 at 21:51:44:
Then the issue is not what moderators should censor, but who.

That is not the job of the moderator. That is entirely up to Tony.


Once again you persist in confusing the animus that some people bear toward sloughter with the perfectly reasonable complaints being made against a certain kind of posting. People are complaining about chandra-whoever's post, don't you see? And nobody knows who the hell he is. So it's not an attempt to censor a particular person.
  

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Reply #45 - 08/18/13 at 02:38:54
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Bibs wrote on 08/17/13 at 22:40:55:
proustiskeen wrote on 08/17/13 at 21:49:11:
First Sloughter, now chandrashekharkoravi.  Can nothing be done?


This would have been avoided by acting more appropriately re: sloughter as all did bar smyslov fan. But smyslov fan refused to note Tony K's comment and the comments of members. Precedent thus set for new members who be otherwise unaware of how the vast majority convivially and productively operate: chuck whole games up. Downward spiral.
Personally, for the first time since joining, I am now really wondering whether this is worth it....


Several times in PMs I have complained to Smyslov Fan about what I consider to be excessive permissiveness. I mention this because it bears on this discussion. Smyslov Fan has been a monitor for a long time, and of a large part of this board. I am grateful to him for that. But in the theoretical parts of this board, I think a stronger hand is needed.
  

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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #44 - 08/17/13 at 22:40:55
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proustiskeen wrote on 08/17/13 at 21:49:11:
First Sloughter, now chandrashekharkoravi.  Can nothing be done?


This would have been avoided by acting more appropriately re: sloughter as all did bar smyslov fan. But smyslov fan refused to note Tony K's comment and the comments of members. Precedent thus set for new members who be otherwise unaware of how the vast majority convivially and productively operate: chuck whole games up. Downward spiral.
Personally, for the first time since joining, I am now really wondering whether this is worth it....
  
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #43 - 08/17/13 at 21:49:11
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First Sloughter, now chandrashekharkoravi.  Can nothing be done?
  
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #42 - 08/14/13 at 22:50:00
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Any further discussion on this is moot. People wanted an executive management decision and they got one so what is the point of dragging this discussion out any further?
GMTonyKosten wrote on 07/25/13 at 08:33:02:
I'm happy if Moderators delete all empty posts that only contain bare moves.

The operative word here is if which suggests that he is happy to leave it up to the discretion of each moderator.
Yet people are still baying for blood like old crones at an old fashion public execution.
We have the management decision, this thread is now pointless and should be locked.
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I'm reminded again of something Short wrote recently, approximately "The biggest fallacy in chess is the quasi-religious belief in the primacy of the opening."
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #41 - 08/14/13 at 21:51:44
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Then the issue is not what moderators should censor, but who.

That is not the job of the moderator. That is entirely up to Tony.
  
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #40 - 08/14/13 at 21:45:16
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 08/14/13 at 21:22:24:
That first post was made some time ago  in a thread that Tony himself moderated. It was made by one of our regular respected contributors.

Do we really want to go down the road where moderators censor not only to keep the site clear of obscenities, personal attacks and ads, but also for the quality of the posts?

the difference is that when there is a non-constructive post by some 'normal' forum member, you can ask for clarification, you will get a sensible answer, and: problem solved, nothing to worry
for example: the problem with the first post you mention is that it's unreadable, there may be quality analysis in it (although some extra may be welcome, but they can be asked for and normally you will get a sensible answer), but it's not readable, when you tidy it up, a sensible discussion can start, like I did in the following Classical Sicilian topic: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1307886841 (compare replies 26 and 31)
anyway, my point is that sloughter is complete immune to any kind of sensible discussion and keeps spamming over and over and over again
  
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #39 - 08/14/13 at 21:22:24
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That first post was made some time ago  in a thread that Tony himself moderated. It was made by one of our regular respected contributors.

Do we really want to go down the road where moderators censor not only to keep the site clear of obscenities, personal attacks and ads, but also for the quality of the posts?
  
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #38 - 08/14/13 at 16:46:36
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Markovich wrote on 08/14/13 at 15:57:56:
He refuses to pay attention to the current state of theory or practice and, judging from his posts, lives instead wholly in the little space between him and his computer.  That's fine for him if he likes it, but it isn't a good basis for posting on this forum, which is fairly expert.


Not only that, but as he himself posted, the computer is not playing optimally... In other words, there is no value for us, unfortunately.

But I agree that the other posts are not that helpful either.
  
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #37 - 08/14/13 at 16:08:56
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 08/10/13 at 17:11:03:
I often delete the threads a few days after locking it. I had planned to delete that thread after this weekend.

I explain my actions for the interested reader.

Unless there is a dire need to clear out old threads, I see absolutely nothing wrong with the way I chose to handle this, and I see certain benefits. I believe in transparency.

I am also aware that this site has fewer players commenting than it used to have. We need to be as welcoming as possible to new players. If we appear to be draconian in what we allow, that may stymie further discourse.

And yes, I do aggressively delete posts that clearly break site rules. The management team can see how many threads I delete.



the butcher with the sharpest knife has the warmest heart!

transparency is not compromised if you make it clear why the threads are being deleted

at this point an actual ban of posting (temporary perhaps) is called for and it can be done with transparency (which has never been a synonym for the word tolerance)

smyslov fan, i respect and admire your tolerance in general but in cases such as this its is best to do things quickly and cleanly and prevent a prolongation of the agony for all parties


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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #36 - 08/14/13 at 15:57:56
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Smyslov Fan, both those posts should have been deleted.  Sloughter has annoyed some people and thus generated some personal animus toward him.  But there is a rational, non-ad-hominem case against his manner of posting, which you persist in ignoring.

There is merit in posting a few terse variations if they are accompanied by some words to indicate how they relate to current theory.  In sloughter's posts, not only is this absent, but the variations themselves are at best non-critical and at worst, mistakes.  He refuses to pay attention to the current state of theory or practice and, judging from his posts, lives instead wholly in the little space between him and his computer.  That's fine for him if he likes it, but it isn't a good basis for posting on this forum, which is fairly expert.
  

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Reply #35 - 08/14/13 at 03:47:43
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I see both as unhelpful.
  
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Re: Random lines of solitaire chess
Reply #34 - 08/14/13 at 03:30:28
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Sloughter is making an effort to be more relevant.

If we look at posts made by players not named sloughter, his posts are in line with some of those. Let's take a look:

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Addition to equalizer-line Nomination#1:

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1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d4 exd4 6.cxd4 Bb4+ 7.Nbd2 Bxd2+ 8.Bxd2 Nxe4 9.d5 Ne7 10.Be3 d6 11.0–0 [11.Qc2 Nc5 12.Nd4 (12.b4 Nd7 13.0–0 0–0 14.Rae1 (14.Rac1 Nb6 15.Rfe1 Bf5 16.Qb3 Re8 17.Nd4 Nxc4 18.Qxc4 Be4 19.Nb5 Bxd5 20.Qxc7 Nf5³) 14...Nb6 (14...h6 15.Bd4 Nb6 16.Bb3 (16.Qb3 Bf5³) 16...Nexd5³) 15.Bd3 h6 16.Bd4 (16.Bxb6 axb6 17.Be4 (17.Rc1 Nxd5–+) 17...Re8 18.Nd4 (18.Rc1 f5 19.Bd3 Nxd5µ) 18...Bd7 19.Re3 c6 20.dxc6 bxc6 21.b5 d5 22.Bh7+ Kh8 23.bxc6 Nxc6 24.Nxc6 Bxc6 25.Qxc6 Rxe3 26.fxe3 Kxh7 27.Rxf7 Rxa2³) 16...Nexd5 (16...Nbxd5³) 17.a3 (17.Bh7+ Kh8 18.a3 Re8 19.h3 Rxe1 20.Rxe1 Be6³) 17...a5 18.b5 Bd7³ (18...Nf4³) ) 12...a6 13.b4 Nd7 14.0–0 0–0 15.a4 a) 15.Bg5 15...Nb6  –0.41 15...Re8 16.Rac1 h6 17.Bxe7 Rxe7 18.Nf5 Re5³ (18...Re8³) ; b) 15.Rfe1 Nb6 16.Bg5 Re8 17.Bb3 h6 18.Bxe7 Rxe7 19.Rxe7 Qxe7 20.Qc3 Qg5³; 15...Re8 (15...Nb6³) 16.Rfe1 (16.a5 h6 17.Rfe1 Nf6 18.Qb3 Nf5 19.Nxf5 Bxf5³) 16...h6 17.Rac1 Nb6 18.a5 (18.Bb3 Nbxd5³) 18...Nbxd5 19.Qb3 c6 20.Bd2 Bg4 (20...Bd7³) 21.Qg3 Qd7 22.h3 Bh5 23.Bxh6 Bg6 24.Bg5 Nf5 25.Nxf5 Qxf5³] 11...0–0 12.Re1 [12.h3 Nf5 13.Bf4 a5 14.Re1 (14.Qc2 Nc5 15.Rfe1 Nh4³) 14...Nc5 15.Rc1 h6 16.Qc2 Bd7³ (16...Nh4 17.Nxh4 Qxh4³) ] 12...Bg4 13.h3 [13.Rc1 Nf5 14.Bf4 Re8 15.h3 Bxf3 16.Qxf3 Nh4 17.Qd3 Nc5=] 13...Bh5 14.Rc1 [14.Bd3 Nf6 (14...f5!?) 15.g4 (15.Bc4 Re8 16.Bg5 Nd7 17.Rc1 h6³) 15...Bg6 16.Bc4 Re8 17.Qb3 a6³ 18.Qxb7 Qd7 19.Qb3 Nxg4 20.Bd4 Nh6µ; 14.g4 Bg6 15.Qb3 a6 16.Rad1 Qd7 17.Bd3 f5 18.Bxe4 fxe4 19.Ng5 Qb5 20.Ne6 Qxb3 21.axb3 Rf3 22.Ng5 Rf6³ 0.07/14 ] 14...Qd7 [14...a6 15.Bd3 Nf6=] 15.g4 [15.Bd4 Ng5 16.Be2 Bxf3 17.Bxf3 c5 (17...Nxf3+ 18.Qxf3 Rfe8 19.Qb3 c6 20.dxc6 bxc6 21.Qa4 Nf5³) 18.dxc6 Nxf3+ 19.Qxf3 bxc6³] 15...Bxg4 [15...Bg6 16.Nh4 (16.Nd2 Nxd2 17.Qxd2 f5) 16...f5 17.f3 (17.Nxg6 Nxg6 18.Bd3 Nh4 19.f3 Nc5³) 17...Nf6 18.Bd4 a6 19.Re6 Rf7 20.Nxg6 Nxg6 21.Bxf6 Rxf6 22.Rxf6 gxf6 23.Bd3 fxg4 24.hxg4 Re8³] 16.hxg4 Qxg4+ 17.Kf1 Qh3+ [17...Nf5 18.Bd3 Qh3+ 19.Kg1 Qg4+=] 18.Ke2 Rae8 19.Bd3 Nxd5 20.Bxe4 Nxe3 21.Kxe3 Qf5 22.Kd2 Rxe4 23.Rxe4 Qxe4 24.Rxc7 d5 25.Rxb7 Qf4+ 26.Kc2 [26.Ke1 Re8+ 27.Kf1 Qc4+ 28.Kg2 Qg4+=] 26...Rc8+ 27.Kd3 Qc4+ [27...g5!?] 28.Kd2 Qf4+ =
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I think Black has nothing to fear after 10.Be3; in most lines Black is slightly better and can go for an easy draw or can take some minor risks to get even more. White is a pawn down and sets all hopes to the d5 pawn; the more I analyse this position, the weaker seems the pawn and consequently the whole white position. In general Black has to avoid moves like b7b6 or Ne4-d6, because they lead to disharmony, even if they are rybka´s first choice quite often.


And this one:

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The variation 8.Qf3 h6 is supposedly equal but the ability of White to play Ba4 gaining a tempo favors White:

Black has a number of tries in the main line of the Two Knights' Defense that are favored by some players and theoreticians. One that seems premature is: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5+ c6 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Qf3 h6?! 9.Ne4 Nd5 10.Ba4! (This gains a tempo; White prepares to defend b3 with Bb3) Be7 11.O-O (There is no rush to play Nec3; Black still can't play f5 because of Qh5+) O-O 12.Nec3 (Ng3 invites the pawn storm) Be6 13.Bb3 (I don't want to have to worry about Bd5) a6!? (Black wants to play c5 without having to worry about Nb5) 14.d3 Qc7 15.Bd2 Rab8 16.Na3 Bg5 17.Qd1 Rfd8 18.Qc1 Nxb3 19.bxc3 Bxd2 (Black is in trouble; simplifying a pawn down looks suspect but there is nothing else) 20.Qxd2 Qd6 (Black is reduced to one move threats) 21.Qc1 (Defending and preparing to counter attack) Qc5 22.Nb1 e4 23.d4 Qf5 24.Re1 c5 25.Qe3 Rbc8 26.Na3 (There are back rank threats again) cxd4 27.cxd4 Qf6 28.Qxe4 Nxb3 29.axb3 Rxd4 30.Qe5 +/=  Against a human there might be winning chances, but against Houdini it is another draw.


Why should one comment be allowed to stand and the other one deleted? Is it really the content, or the person making the comment that you wish to censor?
  
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Reply #33 - 08/13/13 at 22:28:36
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Yes, agree. Delete, be tidy. People keep posting 'look at me' rubbish, despite multiple warnings, just delete straight off.
Why drag the place down with such dross?
  
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Reply #32 - 08/13/13 at 18:28:26
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Markovich wrote on 08/12/13 at 20:16:22:
barnaby wrote on 08/12/13 at 15:54:54:
fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me


But sloughter's topics clog the top of every section of the forum where he posts.  So if you want to see a topic of significance, you need to do extra clicks.  As pointed out by someone else, they give new visitors a false impression of the character of this forum and what constitutes a reasonable post.

So I don't quite understand the logic of locking these weird threads of his.  Deletion would be much tidier and would sacrifice essentially nothing.


they shoot horses don't they?

bold emphasis mine and i agree 100% with the emboldened sentiment ... and that was my actual point ... its clear some people are not able or willing to understand and conform to community standards regardless of how many attempts they are given

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Reply #31 - 08/12/13 at 20:16:22
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barnaby wrote on 08/12/13 at 15:54:54:
fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me


But sloughter's topics clog the top of every section of the forum where he posts.  So if you want to see a topic of significance, you need to do extra clicks.  As pointed out by someone else, they give new visitors a false impression of the character of this forum and what constitutes a reasonable post.

So I don't quite understand the logic of locking these weird threads of his.  Deletion would be much tidier and would sacrifice essentially nothing.
  

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Reply #30 - 08/12/13 at 15:54:54
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Reply #29 - 08/11/13 at 04:34:07
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 08/10/13 at 17:11:03:
I often delete the threads a few days after locking it. I had planned to delete that thread after this weekend.

I explain my actions for the interested reader.

Unless there is a dire need to clear out old threads, I see absolutely nothing wrong with the way I chose to handle this, and I see certain benefits. I believe in transparency.

I am also aware that this site has fewer players commenting than it used to have. We need to be as welcoming as possible to new players. If we appear to be draconian in what we allow, that may stymie further discourse.

And yes, I do aggressively delete posts that clearly break site rules. The management team can see how many threads I delete.


SF, thanks for clarifying the issue. Of course, locking and then deleting the thread is fine for me.

I see it the other way around, though, if we allow crap like sloughter has posted, new users might be less interested in the forum.
  
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Reply #28 - 08/10/13 at 17:11:03
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I often delete the threads a few days after locking it. I had planned to delete that thread after this weekend.

I explain my actions for the interested reader.

Unless there is a dire need to clear out old threads, I see absolutely nothing wrong with the way I chose to handle this, and I see certain benefits. I believe in transparency.

I am also aware that this site has fewer players commenting than it used to have. We need to be as welcoming as possible to new players. If we appear to be draconian in what we allow, that may stymie further discourse.

And yes, I do aggressively delete posts that clearly break site rules. The management team can see how many threads I delete.
  
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Reply #27 - 08/10/13 at 10:48:53
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This is what a moderator suggested:

I have given Sloughter every chance to add to this thread, add some analysis, make it clear he understands what his threads need.

He has ignored messages and has instead continued to create new threads with no analysis.

It's time to lock this thread.

If sloughter decides to post a thread that contains analysis, great. If his threads are just games played against engines with no analysis, they will be locked.


I don't get it. Why keep the threads at all?
  
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Reply #26 - 07/26/13 at 08:32:50
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 07/26/13 at 07:24:35:
Really, Tony, you should support the few who are willing to submit concrete analysis. There is an abundance of members who are just spreading platitudes, e.g. that 1. e4 c5 2.Nf3 were the only way to play for an advantage, and similar empty noise.

I didn't mean to suggest that we delete posts with analysis, just bare game scores. Maybe we should remove all empty prose as well, but that might cause no end of trouble! Smiley
  
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 07/25/13 at 08:33:02:
I'm happy if Moderators delete all empty posts that only contain bare moves.

In the same spirit, I propose to delete all empty posts that only contain text and no chess moves.  Smiley

Really, Tony, you should support the few who are willing to submit concrete analysis. There is an abundance of members who are just spreading platitudes, e.g. that 1. e4 c5 2.Nf3 were the only way to play for an advantage, and similar empty noise.
  
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And happy birthday to 'Grandmaster Kosten' for this week.

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Reply #23 - 07/25/13 at 08:12:33
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Btw. there's not only the just mentioned sloughter being unable to communicate. I remember someone advocating gambit lines in the same style most of his posts. If you think this is better I envy you about it. For me it evokes the same awkward feelings.

How would you generate a good rule for this. "Posting simply a line without commenting or replying to earlier comments will be deleted." Don't think this helps really, even if this would level up the quality of some topics very much in an ideal world. Another possible rule: "Solitaire posts are deleted as solitaire engine lines." This causes the same problems.

Is it the task of a moderator to free the forum members from people invoking bad feelings?  Undecided
  

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Reply #22 - 07/25/13 at 01:31:52
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And you as well.
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Reply #21 - 07/25/13 at 01:17:02
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I am not sure the goes by the name of 'Grandmaster Kosten', but perhaps he may correct this. And happy birthday to 'Grandmaster Kosten' for this week.

Simple enough I'd have thought, all of this.

Chess theory site: discuss chess theory.
Note 'discuss'. Note 'chess theory'.


Cut/paste games do neither. Irrelevant, distracting, time-wasting. So delete.

Just like to see a social constructivist environment function well. That's it. Should the likes of sloughter, gambit etc behave and post constructively for discussion, great, very welcome. If appears ego-driven, trolling type stuff, then the judgment will be made to lock and/or delete. I believe that the majority will back this, and they have been doing so.

Chess anyone? Or to make it clearer re: an earlier comment of SF, chess theory anyone?

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Markovich wrote on 07/23/13 at 23:36:22:
But Hadron, I have not noticed even once your contribution to any of the threads initiated in this way by sloughter.

Really? Just what do you not understand about:
Bibs wrote on 07/22/13 at 08:50:58:
Agree.
Utter rubbish.
Had to lock, lock, delete.

And:
proustiskeen wrote on 07/22/13 at 13:17:30:
I'm summarily deleting any such posts in the forums for which I have admin powers.


Cannot comment on what is not there and besides I am not in the habit in commenting on openings I have no knowledge of or experience in .

Markovich wrote on 07/23/13 at 23:36:22:
From your sudden interest in this subject, is it fair to assume that the next time sloughter posts in this way and some moderator tolerates it, you will leap in with some worthy response?

Is this topic sudden? I had not noticed, I have not been a moderator for long. As to your question, I thought it answers itself. As I have stated and presently believe, until Grandmaster Kosten tells us all otherwise, that the members should be sole the judge of the chess value of a post I do not envisage me leaping anywhere should one of my esteemed colleagues decide to allow the membership time to do as such with one of Sloughter’s posts.

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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 07/23/13 at 14:42:14:
There is absolutely no harm being done with his uncommented games.


If these posts always appeared tenth in order, I would agree.  But here you have someone posting multiple of these random games into several sections of the board, and these appear right at the top.  To get around them, you first have to click and see how useless they are.  You then have to go back and click the forum topic to get a list of recent posts more likely to be interesting.  So it does waste significant time.

Smyslov_Fan wrote on 07/23/13 at 14:42:14:
The moderator's default should be that a chess-related post is to be encouraged.


I fully agree, if you mean related to chess opening theory and not merely chess related.  But even then, special cases arise.

Smyslov_Fan wrote on 07/23/13 at 14:42:14:
If a thread is locked as punishment for past writings, it gives the appearance that the mods here have declared war on that member. Such an impression only hurts the site.


Again I agree.  But this sets up a straw man who wants to lock sloughter's posts because of his bad history here, and that wasn't the basis of my original post.  Nor do I think it is the actual basis of the particular threads in question being locked. 

The presence of this straw man doesn't change that posting multiple, utterly uncommented scores of solitaire chess games is not only unconstructive, but impedes the intended use of the forum.  You could say it is chess-related, but does not really concern or encourage the discussion of chess theory, which is what the parts of the forum where sloughter posts are supposed to be about.

I didn't say, by the way, that I wanted sloughter banned, or his threads to be locked or deleted.  I merely said that what was going on was too much, and that sloughter himself should change his behavior.  But, just possibly, a moderator's cautioning sloughter would have been a more useful response than his standing here declaiming everyone's right to post however they like, if only it involves chess. 




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Markovich wrote on 07/23/13 at 23:36:22:
But Hadron, I have not noticed even once your contribution to any of the threads initiated in this way by sloughter.  From your sudden interest in this subject, is it fair to assume that the next time sloughter posts in this way and some moderator tolerates it, you will leap in with some worthy response?


Well?
  

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Reply #17 - 07/24/13 at 05:23:07
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Bibs wrote on 07/24/13 at 05:10:46:
Chess related possibly. A string of moves, one fella against his PC. In multiple threads.
But not chess theory related. See previous post.
Suggest Tony K may like to step in with some sense hereabouts.

Agreed. It is best that Grandmaster Kosten informs us how to proceed policy wise.
  

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Chess related possibly. A string of moves, one fella against his PC. In multiple threads.
But not chess theory related. See previous post.
Suggest Tony K may like to step in with some sense hereabouts. Just sent PM to Tony K, sure he will have some sense to share here soon.
  
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Reply #15 - 07/24/13 at 03:43:13
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Markovich wrote on 07/23/13 at 23:36:22:
Such superior and seemingly judicious words are almost worthy of an archbishop.  But pointless posts do not disappear from the tops of threads merely because they are pointless, no matter how much we stroke our chins.

I don’t known about stoking ones chin but if a thread is deemed pointless by the membership then said membership would not ideally add to that discussion and if people do not add to the discussion of that thread then does it not drop down the list for that particular forum and out of view to die a nature death as Sysmlov_Fan as indicated?

Markovich wrote on 07/23/13 at 23:36:22:
When I spoke, thanks to sloughter, no fewer than four of the theoretical forum sections were headed by random, uncommented-upon chess games of his.  Does this serve the purposes of this forum?

I couldn’t really tell you if what Sloughter did serves the purpose of this forum, they were summarily closed. You need to check the above, if people really had anything to say on their particular opening subject then they would have and Sloughter’s post would not have stayed as headers to the specific theoretical forum sections you alluded to. 

Markovich wrote on 07/23/13 at 23:36:22:
I would have thought that such great concern for "the members (some of them who at one stage have paid a fee)" would have included the notion that they should not have to bother with such nonsense.

But who are the moderators to tell the membership that they cannot see something or anything because it they have deemed it subjectively to be nonsense? What about:
Smyslov_Fan wrote on 07/23/13 at 14:42:14:
The job of the moderator is not to determine the value of a post, but to make sure the site rules are followed. An uncommented game is not obscene, is not advertising another site, and is chess related.

..do you not understand? And if you don’t understand it, should you not take it up with either the original poster or as some other moderators like to say, with Grandmaster Kosten himself?


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Reply #14 - 07/24/13 at 00:59:32
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See top right. Look people, look.
"Discussion forum for chesspublishing.com, the opening theory site"

How to approach this, how to 'discuss'?

Suggest:

1) Provide context. What is the state of play now? Which lines are you referring to? In which texts? Which games? Perhaps you can provide a diagram to help.
2) What ideas do you have in relation to the existing theory?
3) Open for discussion. With a question or two.


sloughter/Moody does none of the above. If does, very welcome. If not, just a bare game with no theoretical context, no discussion, doesn't accord with site aims (chess theory discussion), then removal.

Impression I have from posts in the differing threads is that multiple people are unhappy with the sloughter carpet-bombing cut/paste approach. Have a look.
  
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Such superior and seemingly judicious words are almost worthy of an archbishop.  But pointless posts do not dissappear from the tops of threads merely because they are pointless, no matter how much we stroke our chins.  When I spoke, thanks to sloughter, no fewer that four of the theoretical forum sections were headed by random, uncommented-upon chess games of his.  Does this serve the purposes of this forum?

I would have thought that such great concern for "the members (some of them who at one stage have paid a fee)" would have included the notion that they should not have to bother with such nonsense.

But Hadron, I have not noticed even once your contribution to any of the threads initiated in this way by sloughter.  From your sudden interest in this subject, is it fair to assume that the next time sloughter posts in this way and some moderator tolerates it, you will leap in with some worthy response?
  

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Reply #12 - 07/23/13 at 22:38:04
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 07/23/13 at 14:42:14:
There is absolutely no harm being done with his uncommented games. If there is some value found in his games by others, then fine. If not, the thread will die on its own.
The job of the moderator is not to determine the value of a post, but to make sure the site rules are followed. An uncommented game is not obscene, is not advertising another site, and is chess related.
The moderator's default should be that a chess-related post is to be encouraged.

Exactly. An excellent post and a perfect explanation of the difference between objective and subjective moderation (although, subjective moderation is a contradiction in terms). It should always be about the members. The members (some of them who at one stage have paid a fee) should be allowed the right to judge for themselves the ‘chess value’ of Sloughter’s post and if the membership choose to ignore them then as Symslov_Fans continues to ascertain, they will disappear on their own.
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Bibs' comment hits the crux of the matter. Sloughter's posts are being deleted because of his previous writings. There is absolutely no harm being done with his uncommented games. If there is some value found in his games by others, then fine. If not, the thread will die on its own.

The job of the moderator is not to determine the value of a post, but to make sure the site rules are followed. An uncommented game is not obscene, is not advertising another site, and is chess related.


The moderator's default should be that a chess-related post is to be encouraged. If a thread is locked as punishment for past writings, it gives the appearance that the mods here have declared war on that member. Such an impression only hurts the site.
  
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I fully agre with Bibs. Just waste of everybody's time. I am not interested in uncommented games against a computer. Period.
  
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Reply #9 - 07/23/13 at 08:46:25
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If sloughter/Richard Moody posts analysis of a specific line with comments and asks questions, all can agree that is fine, I think. Very welcome. Let's discuss ideas.

Just posting a bare game score? Versus a computer. No comments.  'So what?' is a valid response. If he wishes to discuss, then talk. Not just cut, paste, bang, ooh look at me and my game. That has very little value. Can he not even be bothered to comment, to note what he wishes people to discuss? Simply lazy egotism.

Regarding value of his analysis, I struggle to get past this:
http://correspondencechess.com/moody.html

Perhaps others may wish to comment...?
  
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proustiskeen wrote on 07/23/13 at 02:02:32:
You assume there is any value.  There is not.

I try largely to never assume anything which is why I said “…(even if it is very little at all)…which does suggest I am not sure what they are worth.
What you have said though does raise an interesting couple of points though. Seen you are saying there is no value in what sloughter has presented, can it be reasonably assumed you reviewed what sloughter posted to come your opinion? If you did, I would suggest that by doing so and not adding to any of sloughter’s posts your actions rather support Symslov_Fan’s supposition that sloughters posts can be largely left to die a natural death on their own. And them again if you did not review sloughters post then how do you know what they are worth?
This then begs the question, do sloughter’s posts have any worth at all? That I guess is a matter for subjective opinion but I agree with Smylov_Fans when he said :
Smyslov_Fan wrote on 07/22/13 at 09:12:21:

For me, the value of his solitaire chess games is brought out in the responses from others. If there are no responses, the thread will die of its own. There's not much need to moderate.

And if one is going to summarily delete them then you are never going to have any responses. It should not be about whether you, I or any other moderators believe if his posts have tangible worth, that should be up to the members to get what they can out of them and then move on. If there is nothing to be gained they will, as Smylov_Fan said, die naturally and can be safely locked.
  

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You assume there is any value.  There is not.
  
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 07/22/13 at 09:12:21:
There are occasional gems in sloughter's games, but he does not bother to highlight them.

For me, the value of his solitaire chess games is brought out in the responses from others. If there are no responses, the thread will die of its own. There's not much need to moderate.

Having said that, there was a solitaire chess game he posted in the French section that even he admitted had no value, so I locked that thread.

I am only new to this moderator lark (here that is. Different boards have different rules) but to me this seems a more reasoned and sensible approach. If sloughters threads die the death on their own, that's dandy. I just can not see how you are going to get any value out of them (even if it is very little at all) by summarily closing them down so quickly. In the bigger picture of things, how does doing as such promote encouragement amongst other members to post?
  

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Well, sometimes sloughter's posts are quite worthwhile.
  

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There are occasional gems in sloughter's games, but he does not bother to highlight them.

For me, the value of his solitaire chess games is brought out in the responses from others. If there are no responses, the thread will die of its own. There's not much need to moderate.

Having said that, there was a solitaire chess game he posted in the French section that even he admitted had no value, so I locked that thread.
  
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Markovich wrote on 07/22/13 at 05:51:23:
Notwithstanding that some people consider it a BIG NO-NO to complain about annoying posts, I will say that the recent appearance of numerous random variations of uncommented-upon solitaire chess posted by our chessfriend sloughter are without any point or significance.  At least, if any is of any significance, sloughter should say what it is.  Otherwise he should refrain from these kinds of posts, and post instead when he actually has something to say.

Had there been just one such post, I would not have complained, but there have been several.


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Utter rubbish.
Had to lock, lock, delete.
  
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Notwithstanding that some people consider it a BIG NO-NO to complain about annoying posts, I will say that the recent appearance of numerous random variations of uncommented-upon solitaire chess posted by our chessfriend sloughter are without any point or significance.  At least, if any is of any significance, sloughter should say what it is.  Otherwise he should refrain from these kinds of posts, and post instead when he actually has something to say.

Had there been just one such post, I would not have complained, but there have been several.
  

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