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Re: Colle Fireworks
Reply #11 - 10/13/13 at 16:59:38
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ham204 wrote on 08/26/13 at 13:02:18:
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Here's the game , sorry for the delay. I did make a feeble attempt to entice him into a Benoni or Bogo but he would not bite:
1.d5 Nf6
2.Nf3 e6


If you know the Colle is expected, 2. ..e6 does leave some problems. 2. .. c5 was suggested and 2. .. g6 can also be good if you are prepared to play the Kings Indian. Another approach is to play 2. .. d5 and then if 3. e3 you can try 3. .. g6 for a Gruenfeld or 3. .. c5 or 3. .. Bg4 with the chance of playing a Queens Gambit with reversed colours if White continues passively.

Once you are locked in with .. d5 and .. c5, many positions come out very similar and excellent play is needed to get anywhere with black.
  
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Re: Colle Fireworks
Reply #10 - 10/13/13 at 16:34:09
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Speaking of minority attack (as katar did), an early way to aim for some imbalance is this sort of thing:  1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. e3 c5 4. c3 cd 5. ed Nc6.  White has an apparently suboptimal version of the Exchange Caro, and it's a kind of position in which random exchanges should tend to favor Black.  (The late theoretician Ludek Pachman wrote of this possibility having been oddly neglected in books.)
  
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Re: Colle Fireworks
Reply #9 - 10/13/13 at 15:01:43
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If White doesn't want to fight, there's not much Black can do about it.  The best way to deal with it is to have patience.  Don't try for fireworks in the opening.  Just play solid chess and wait for White to make a mistake.  Sometimes the mistake won't come until the endgame.  But it will come, it always does.

  
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Re: Colle Fireworks
Reply #8 - 10/11/13 at 16:39:40
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Of course what to play against 2.Nf3 depends on what transpositions you're willing to allow, but if you were willing to play a Benoni, I'd recommend the immediate 2...c5.  You'll find out your opponent's intentions right away, and have the flexibility to later fianchetto the King's Bishop if you'd like, not having play ...e7-e6 yet.

It also avoids some of the more boring London/Colle lines.  For instance if 3.c3, Black can try moves like 3...Qc7, 3...Qa5, 3...g6, etc, and decide on how to arrange the central pawns later, depending on what White does.  You might play ...d7-d5 with a reversed Closed Catalan, or play it more like a reversed Reti system. 

Obviously you have to be prepared for various Benoni lines after 2...c5 3.d5--unless you want to just play 3...b5 in that position.  In that case you cut down on the amount of Benoni stuff that you need to know, i.e. no main lines after 3...e6 4.c4.
  
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Re: Colle Fireworks
Reply #7 - 10/11/13 at 01:05:57
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"Fireworks" is not the apt word to use from this move order.  IMO the best you can do is aim for a somewhat imbalanced hedgehog type of position by playing the d-pawn to d6 instead of d5.

You will take c5xd4 at some point.  Then your pawn structure will be something like a6, b6, d6, e6, f7, g7, h7.  You will probably play for either (1) e6-e5 (prepare by, e.g., Re8, Bf8, Qc7) or (2) b6-b5-b4 with sort of a minority attack.

The big difference from a usual hedgehog is the e-file is open instead of the d-file.  As far as i understand it, this is an improvement for Black b/c the e-pawn is defended by f7-pawn, but the d-pawn is not defended by another pawn.  So White would prefer to have an open d-file rather than an open e-file.

The above is basically all I know when I am aiming for a Nimzo and I face a Colle/London system type thing.  "ChessExplained" at youtube did a repertoire video covering this system for Black. 

Definitely not "fireworks" but at least Black has ideas to play for in the resulting positions.  GL.
  

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Re: Colle Fireworks
Reply #6 - 08/26/13 at 13:02:18
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TN wrote on 08/20/13 at 12:00:21:
I need more information, such as the game score, to really be able to help you. If you want to spice up the position you can try Stonewalling with 3...e6 4.Bd3 Ne4 followed by ...f5 and ...c6, which objectively has to favour White slightly but might give you the sort of position you're after and force the opponent out of their system. I'm sure there's a better option than this but it's an idea.

Here's the game , sorry for the delay. I did make a feeble attempt to entice him into a Benoni or Bogo but he would not bite:
1.d5 Nf6
2.Nf3 e6
3.Nbd2 c5
4.c3 d5
5.e3 Nbd7
6.Bd3 Be7
7.0-0 b6
8.e4 de
9.Ne4 Bb7
10.Qe2 Ne4
11.Be4 Be4
12. Qe4 0-0
13.Rd1 Nf6
14.Qe2 Qc7
15.Bg5 Rad8
16.dc bc
17. Rd8 Rd8
18.Rd1 Rd1
19.Qd1 h6
20. Bh4 Qb7
21.Qc2 Qd5
22.c4 Qb7
23.h3 draw
  
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Re: Colle Fireworks
Reply #5 - 08/20/13 at 16:12:54
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This Topic was moved here from 1. d4 d5 [move by] TN.
  

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Re: Colle Fireworks
Reply #4 - 08/20/13 at 15:20:25
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Early fireworks seems like a tall order.
On the theme of White aiming to trade everything, I am put in mind of a game Menchik-Capablanca ...
  
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Re: Colle Fireworks
Reply #3 - 08/20/13 at 13:31:33
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Should this be moved to d-pawn specials?  Not sure, but asking.
  
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Re: Colle Fireworks
Reply #2 - 08/20/13 at 12:00:21
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I need more information, such as the game score, to really be able to help you. If you want to spice up the position you can try Stonewalling with 3...e6 4.Bd3 Ne4 followed by ...f5 and ...c6, which objectively has to favour White slightly but might give you the sort of position you're after and force the opponent out of their system. I'm sure there's a better option than this but it's an idea.
  

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Re: Colle Fireworks
Reply #1 - 08/20/13 at 10:39:29
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To a fair extent the best advice might be to forget doing anything dramatic and focus on getting small advantages with the exchanges/grinding a result out etc. If your opponents falls into the trap of playing purely for a draw then it can work very well. Like that famous Guverich - Short french exchange game.

Early fireworks are just off the menu vs the Colle really. You might keep more life in the game with some of the d6/b6 or g6 set ups.

It is of course, at the best of times, quite hard to beat a solid player playing sensibly but a bit unambitiously with the white pieces.
  
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Colle Fireworks
08/20/13 at 10:17:13
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So I had to play a last round game where I had to win and my opponent (white) only needed a draw. He then played the Colle and proceeded to exchange away until the game came to a dead draw. My line against the Colle is one which establishes equality but little else. What should I do to up the ante and introduce some fireworks in the initial part of the game?
  
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