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Re: Exotic Endgames
Reply #9 - 09/17/13 at 09:09:41
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Today you can find a review of Karsten Mullers DVD on http://www.chessbase.com/Home/TabId/211/PostId/4011165/karsten-muller-rook-again... which covers the exotic endgame rook against knight. Exotic as it would only appear in 1% of the games.
On my blog i also posted once a brief example of such type of endgame , see http://schaken-brabo.blogspot.be/2012/05/eindspelen-met-een-kwaliteit-meer.html
  
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Re: Exotic Endgames
Reply #8 - 08/31/13 at 10:18:55
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There was such an engame , that of the game Smyslov-Reshevski ( cable match 1945 )
Keres and Estrin Wrote many pages of analysis , whithout arriving to a definitive conclusion
  
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Re: Exotic Endgames
Reply #7 - 08/29/13 at 20:57:30
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 08/29/13 at 20:35:35:

If there are no extant notes, a good database can filter games based on material and other considerations. It's possible to learn general plans by studying those similar games.

Chessbase 12 would do the trick but even the download version costs already 100 euro, see http://chessbase-shop.com/en/products/chessbase12_download
Personally I find this too expensive for the functionality you get.
Also I doubt that the filtered games will really tell you how to play a specific endgame. Even with the same material and other considerations, often each position has its very own characteristics. Besides OTB-players playing the endgame are mostly making their decisions intuitively as in that phase very little time is in general left. Even if the players have ratings above + 2700, I doubt you could use their intuition ?? in these exotic endgames as sufficient trustable to be used in the analysis of your specific position.
  
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Re: Exotic Endgames
Reply #6 - 08/29/13 at 20:35:35
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When you consider that "exotic endgames" are by definition... exotic, there will always be exotica that is not sufficiently covered in the manuals. 

Specific types of endgames are covered as they arise in real games. Probably the best bet in general is to find high-level games where similar material arose and see if there are any notes by strong players to guide you.

If there are no extant notes, a good database can filter games based on material and other considerations. It's possible to learn general plans by studying those similar games.
  
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Re: Exotic Endgames
Reply #5 - 08/29/13 at 18:53:01
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I am pretty sure that there is no straight answer to your question. 

It is a coincidence but yesterday Kasparov put something on his facebook about such type of endgames: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151839678283307&set=a.1015057087160830...
I quote: "These positions look simple, with so few pieces on the board, but they are often very hard even for the strongest players."

In my blogarticle http://schaken-brabo.blogspot.be/2012/05/analyseren-met-de-computer.html I explain in detail how I deal in my analysis with such type of endgames.
  
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Re: Exotic Endgames
Reply #4 - 08/28/13 at 20:35:36
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so what you are looking for is something like Rook vs Two minor pieces (by Esben Lund), only for other material imbalances
would be a very interesting book, but I don't think it exists
  
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Re: Exotic Endgames
Reply #3 - 08/28/13 at 19:10:31
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Of corse ,I have read "the Flear" He gives an average % for each of these endings
As for me , my score is 4 times more , and I won them all
What deceives me a little is that he gives no general winning method to afford to win ( nor to defend )
I have some "rules of thumb" , but no GM to ensure me that they are sound
  
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Re: Exotic Endgames
Reply #2 - 08/28/13 at 17:39:21
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Have you checked Flear's book? If interested I haven't studied it yet but have it at home and could check the coverage he gives. But sounds like the perfect choice for what you are asking for.

edit - oops, Tony37 beat me to it!
  

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Re: Exotic Endgames
Reply #1 - 08/28/13 at 17:38:35
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Practical endgame play - Beyond the Basics (Glenn Flear) has a chapter on Q vs R+N (17 pages) and one on Q vs R+B (22 pages), in each case with pawns on the board of course, otherwise you can just look at the tablebase

edit: the book is clearly more oriented to OTB play than to correspondence chess, but it's at least something
  
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Exotic Endgames
08/28/13 at 16:31:53
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With my style in corr-chess , I get exotic endgames above average ,but I find no books to study them
How can I do ( I am IM ICCF )?
I am specially interested by the endings Q vs R+N , 
or Q vs R+B ( with pawns  each side )
Above all , I am interested by endings that are not covered by Nalimov TB or others : in  endings books they skip them ,because they consider them as middlegames , and for middlegame books they are endings
  
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