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Re: C42-C43 The Petrov for the rest of your chess life
Reply #22 - 11/07/13 at 22:25:03
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Pale Horse, Pale Rider wrote on 11/06/13 at 21:34:25:
SteelyDanIII wrote on 11/06/13 at 19:55:32:
I just noticed a new repertoire book on the Petrov. Looks interesting. Anyone bought it yet?


I have never had the slightest interest in the Petrov but this looks very tempting  Cheesy. If anyone has an overview over the contents (especially the systems against the Vienna and King's Gambit) it would be much appreciated.

Edit: The book has been already adressed on this forum (http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1366826250/14#14 ) but no further information was given.



King`s Gambit:
declined with 2...Bc5

Vienna:
3.f4-d5 4.fxe5-Nxe4 5.Sf3-Bc5!? 6.d4-Bb4 7.Bd2-Bg4!

Glek: 2.Nc3-Nf6 3.g3-c6!?

Spanish four knights:
Rubinsteins 4...Nd4

Scotsh four knigths:
4.d4-Bb4!?

And :

2.Nc3-Nf6 3.Bc4-Nxe4!

2.Bc4-Nf6 3.d3-Nc6 4.Nc3-Na5

Overall a lot of sharp stuff it seems. Hope this helps a bit.

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Re: C42-C43 The Petrov for the rest of your chess life
Reply #21 - 11/07/13 at 13:08:40
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I ordered it and will probably get it tomorrow, I will come back with some comments.

I think I'll just combine 2 .. Nf6 with 2 .. Nc6, that way all the sidelines are the same. Anyway most people at my level reply 3 Nc3 so Nf6 is more accurate Smiley I'd rather play against the 4 knights than the Italian game, which they usually play against Nc6...
  
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Re: C42-C43 The Petrov for the rest of your chess life
Reply #20 - 11/06/13 at 23:44:57
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The author makes a useful point in the intro. Combining a sharpish sicilian with a solid 1...e5 is a good long-term approach.  Wish I had done that when I was young and on the up.
Yes, agree with last post, interested to see more details of the responses to KG, Vienna etc.
  
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Re: C42-C43 The Petrov for the rest of your chess life
Reply #19 - 11/06/13 at 21:34:25
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SteelyDanIII wrote on 11/06/13 at 19:55:32:
I just noticed a new repertoire book on the Petrov. Looks interesting. Anyone bought it yet?


I have never had the slightest interest in the Petrov but this looks very tempting  Cheesy. If anyone has an overview over the contents (especially the systems against the Vienna and King's Gambit) it would be much appreciated.

Edit: The book has been already adressed on this forum (http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1366826250/14#14 ) but no further information was given.
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Re: C42-C43 The Petrov for the rest of your chess life
Reply #18 - 11/06/13 at 19:55:32
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I just noticed a new repertoire book on the Petrov. Looks interesting. Anyone bought it yet?

http://www.newinchess.com/Shop/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductID=989&utm_source=New+...
  
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Reply #17 - 11/05/13 at 11:31:58
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Pingudon wrote on 09/16/13 at 00:51:38:
I will play it in my next tournament


And how, good sir, did you do?
  
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Re: C42-C43 The Petrov for the rest of your chess life
Reply #16 - 09/16/13 at 00:51:38
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I will play it in my next tournament
  
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Reply #15 - 09/14/13 at 19:08:04
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gwnn wrote on 09/14/13 at 11:48:36:
But yes, the psychological effect is true, I see it all the time that teammates or opponents say "oh no, the Russian is so boring!" but in most of my games or games that I see played by other U2000 players, there are much more tactics than in most Italian or Spanish games I see...


Indeed, and that is easy to explain: the Petroff leads to very open positions with active piece placement in almost all of its subvariations. In fact, I believe this factor makes the Petroff an opening that is relatively easy to learn: there is practically no specialized strategy to absorb (this can be very time-consuming indeed).
  
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Re: C42-C43 The Petrov for the rest of your chess life
Reply #14 - 09/14/13 at 17:05:01
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It is certainly very good at producing short/medium range tactics so plenty of scope for beating people if you're better at those than them.
  
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Re: C42-C43 The Petrov for the rest of your chess life
Reply #13 - 09/14/13 at 11:48:36
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Bogojump wrote on 09/14/13 at 00:30:34:
Not only that. Many "weak" players avoid the main line petroff and 50-60 % plays Roman and Alburts recommendation. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5. Nc3!? Nxc3. Thats a line black must be a specialist in if he wants to grind "weak" players down.

Really? Black has excellent counter-chances in an opposite-wings pawn storm. He even has an extra central pawn. I would think "weak" players will be prone to losing their slightly easier development with inaccuracies, and then Black retains their healthier structure and attacking chances on the queenside. There are some endgame lines but is it really harder to grind weak players down in this line than in the Four Knights or 5. Qe2 or the main line 5. d4 d5?

But yes, the psychological effect is true, I see it all the time that teammates or opponents say "oh no, the Russian is so boring!" but in most of my games or games that I see played by other U2000 players, there are much more tactics than in most Italian or Spanish games I see...
  
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Re: C42-C43 The Petrov for the rest of your chess life
Reply #12 - 09/14/13 at 00:30:34
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TopNotch wrote on 09/09/13 at 03:42:10:
Good against strong players bad against weak ones. Wink


I think differently (but agree it sounds funny) : Good against strong players and good against weak players. "Weaker" players or let say players under 2000 Elo players are probably not too prepared for the "boring" Petroff. First of all they face it very seldom and concentrate more on how to face other openings (french,caro,sicilian,pirc,Alekhine and more). You can notice it even in blitz. If you play 1...c5 or the french against 1.e4 your oponent makes his moves immediately. But after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 you get those extra two or three seconds "what do I do now?" from white.

Not only that. Many "weak" players avoid the main line petroff and 50-60 % plays Roman and Alburts recommendation. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5. Nc3!? Nxc3. Thats a line black must be a specialist in if he wants to grind "weak" players down.

Many also transposes in to four or three knights.
What i like with petroff is that it seems to have  a depressing impact on white.

Many hate to face it.
  

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Re: C42-C43 The Petrov for the rest of your chess life
Reply #11 - 09/10/13 at 17:31:58
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i played petroff many years up to my present level (class a in usa appox 1900 fide)

one thing i experience is when people know you play it they do find a lot of ways to avoid it so one need do some open games work v. four knights and scotch (1. e4 e5 2. d4 used a transposition for them to get there) and ponziani and what not

of course the nice thing is you get a lot of people punting the kings gambit and its nice to know black is playing for a win right out of the opening just by playing normal opening moves Smiley

edited to add: at my level i dont think it is that much less study than a lopex rep because you not gonna see too many lopes main lines anyway and the bulk of lopez study has to be prepared for all these sidelines anyway cause that we we gonna see 80% of time
  
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Re: C42-C43 The Petrov for the rest of your chess life
Reply #10 - 09/10/13 at 12:14:35
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Yes, Petroff does suffer a bit from a dull rep. But a good choice at club level I agree. Yes, once you have the Nf7 sac  sorted which is sound-ish, and tricky.

Wasn't there supposed to be an Everyman book on this? By Gupta and Har-Zvi?
I had assumed the Indian GM, but instead an organiser in the US btw, but Har-Zvi a GM of course.
An Everyman editor here somewhere amongst forumites I think. Still happening, people in the know?
  
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Re: C42-C43 The Petrov for the rest of your chess life
Reply #9 - 09/10/13 at 09:03:21
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I'm working through Yusupov's books, and I'll soon reach the chapter on the Petroff in Build Up 2. I want to start using it as an alternative to my Sicilian.

I figure that going through everything in that chapter carefully should be a good base to start playing it in serious games (at the 2000-2200 level), has anyone here done that?
  
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Re: C42-C43 The Petrov for the rest of your chess life
Reply #8 - 09/09/13 at 17:37:45
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Agreed, Markovich. Below the ~2300 I've seen it played for a win in weekend Swiss tournaments quite a bit. Considering its success rate at that level, I too am surprised it's not more popular.

I guess the fear of draw death really does scare people away from it. In the 2000-2300 range, it has about a 38% draw rate, with white winning ~37% and Black winning ~25%. Considering that almost half of the draws were short draws (under 25 moves), it makes the opening even more appealing for someone who wants a fight!
  
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