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Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #28 - 11/01/17 at 18:55:18
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Reply #27 - 11/01/17 at 17:11:33
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ReneDescartes wrote on 11/01/17 at 14:36:01:
Yes. Lemos actually sanctions 2.Nf3--not even 3.Nf3. The direct quote is after 2.Nf3: "2.c4 is our direct move order, but there is no harm in throwing in Nf3 first, especially if White prefers to avoid the Budapest Gambit..."

Very strange indeed!
  
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Reply #26 - 11/01/17 at 14:36:01
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Yes. Lemos actually sanctions 2.Nf3--not even 3.Nf3. The direct quote is after 2.Nf3: "2.c4 is our direct move order, but there is no harm in throwing in Nf3 first, especially if White prefers to avoid the Budapest Gambit..."
  
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Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #25 - 11/01/17 at 04:42:50
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ReneDescartes wrote on 11/01/17 at 00:43:59:
In Andersson-Roos.

Not in my book! Do you have an electronic version?
  
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In Andersson-Roos.
  
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Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #23 - 10/31/17 at 17:59:59
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ReneDescartes wrote on 10/31/17 at 17:51:33:
And he's carelessly misleading about this point. He remarks that it does no harm to throw in 3.Nf3 if you want to avoid facing the Budapest, but it's not true! Part of his Gruenfeld repertoire depends on the possibility of Ne2.

Where does he say that, ReneDescartes?

Update: The only thing I noticed that in the Index of Variations, Chapter 4, it says 4.Nf3 0-0 5.Bg2 instead of 4.Bg2.
  
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Reply #22 - 10/31/17 at 17:51:33
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And he's carelessly misleading about this point. He remarks that it does no harm to throw in 3.Nf3 if you want to avoid facing the Budapest, but it's not true! Part of his Gruenfeld repertoire depends on the possibility of Ne2.
  
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Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #21 - 10/31/17 at 13:14:51
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gillbod wrote on 10/05/16 at 19:12:50:
RdC wrote on 06/23/14 at 19:30:03:
How about
(d) 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 Bg7 4. Bg2 O-O 5. Nc3 other plausible moves.

The plausible moves being 5. .. c5, which can be an English if both players want it to be, 5. .. d6 and 5. .. Nc6, which are mainstream Kings Indian and not quite mainstream plus 5. .. c6 which can still become either a Kings Indian or Gruenfeld.

There's old theory that holding the Knight back on b1 can be an advantage in some KID variations as it can then go to d2 instead. If the move order of the book requires Nc3, that is ruled out.


Sorry for reviving this thread if no one is interested, but it seems this thread concluded prematurely.

I expect 5.e4 would be the move to play instead of 5.Nc3 to stay in Lemos's repertoire.

Lemos advocates 5.Nc3 d6 6.Nf3; 5...c5 6.Nf3.

Against 5...c6 I think both 6.e4 and 6.Nf3 stay in his repertoire depending on if you want the Grunfeld or not.

5...Nc6 6.Nf3 d5 would not be in his repertoire!

I am working on the book right now and was also thinking of 5.e4 as the best way to stay in his repertoire. Unless Black plays 5...c5... I think even after 5...d6 it may be difficult if Black doesn't cooperate.
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Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #20 - 10/05/16 at 19:12:50
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RdC wrote on 06/23/14 at 19:30:03:
How about
(d) 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 Bg7 4. Bg2 O-O 5. Nc3 other plausible moves.

The plausible moves being 5. .. c5, which can be an English if both players want it to be, 5. .. d6 and 5. .. Nc6, which are mainstream Kings Indian and not quite mainstream plus 5. .. c6 which can still become either a Kings Indian or Gruenfeld.

There's old theory that holding the Knight back on b1 can be an advantage in some KID variations as it can then go to d2 instead. If the move order of the book requires Nc3, that is ruled out.


Sorry for reviving this thread if no one is interested, but it seems this thread concluded prematurely.

I expect 5.e4 would be the move to play instead of 5.Nc3 to stay in Lemos's repertoire.
  
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Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #19 - 06/23/14 at 19:30:03
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tony37 wrote on 06/23/14 at 18:41:37:
[quote author=5A5E5C525906055B4D370 link=1382420107/17#17 date=1403544146]
of course line d isn't covered, it's a blunder


How about
(d) 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 Bg7 4. Bg2 O-O 5. Nc3 other plausible moves.

The plausible moves being 5. .. c5, which can be an English if both players want it to be, 5. .. d6 and 5. .. Nc6, which are mainstream Kings Indian and not quite mainstream plus 5. .. c6 which can still become either a Kings Indian or Gruenfeld.

There's old theory that holding the Knight back on b1 can be an advantage in some KID variations as it can then go to d2 instead. If the move order of the book requires Nc3, that is ruled out.
  
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Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #18 - 06/23/14 at 18:41:37
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nestor wrote on 06/23/14 at 17:22:26:
Line c) isn't covered, as you say, and unless I'm missing something neither is line d). Since White must play either 5.Nc3 or 5.Nf3 in this move order, this rather reduces the book's utility full stop, not just for 1.Nf3 players.

of course line d isn't covered, it's a blunder
  
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Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #17 - 06/23/14 at 17:22:26
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Line c) isn't covered, as you say, and unless I'm missing something neither is line d). Since White must play either 5.Nc3 or 5.Nf3 in this move order, this rather reduces the book's utility full stop, not just for 1.Nf3 players.
  
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Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #16 - 06/23/14 at 13:59:13
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So of the various move orders, is this the material?

(a) 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 d5 - covered
(b) 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 Bg7 4. Bg2 d5 - covered
(c) 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 Bg7 4. Bg2 O-O 5. Nf3 d5 - not covered
(d) 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 Bg7 4. Bg2 O-O 5. Nc3 d5 - covered
(e) 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 Bg7 4. Bg2 O-O 5. Nc3 c6 6. Nf3 d5 - covered

If line (c) isn't included, this reduces the utility of the book to those who would prefer to start 1. Nf3, rather than 1. d4
  
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Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #15 - 06/23/14 at 07:46:43
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Lemos gives some brief analysis of 15...Qd4, and also of ...Be6 instead of ...Bf5 at a couple of points. I won't quote the analysis as I don't think it's fair to the author and publisher; it may be enough to say that Lemos likes White's chances, but I can't see Radjabov or Giri being scared off.
  
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Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #14 - 06/22/14 at 22:48:12
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TD wrote on 06/22/14 at 21:12:28:
7...Qc7 8.b3, Kramnik-Radjabov 2013.


Thanks.  I wonder if there's anything enlightening regarding Kramnik allowing and Radjabov avoiding 15...Qd4 (which the Yearbook gave as leading to equality in a couple of earlier games). 

Maybe if Lemos had been writing a book for Black, he would have used another 2013 game, Khismatullin-Giri (with 14...Be6 instead of 14...Bf5)  Smiley
  
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