Latest Updates:
Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 
Topic Tools
Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) Damian Lemos Fianchetto System (Read 21639 times)
Jupp53
God Member
*****
Offline


be

Posts: 845
Location: Frankfurt/Main
Joined: 01/04/09
Gender: Male
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #28 - 11/01/17 at 18:55:18
Post Tools
Not directed ad personam!

There is a difference between 24xx, 25xx, 26xx.
  

Medical textbooks say I should be dead since April 2002.
Dum spiro spero. Smiley
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
TD
Senior Member
****
Offline


Feyenoord forever!

Posts: 391
Location: Rotterdam, NLD
Joined: 02/12/11
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #27 - 11/01/17 at 17:11:33
Post Tools
ReneDescartes wrote on 11/01/17 at 14:36:01:
Yes. Lemos actually sanctions 2.Nf3--not even 3.Nf3. The direct quote is after 2.Nf3: "2.c4 is our direct move order, but there is no harm in throwing in Nf3 first, especially if White prefers to avoid the Budapest Gambit..."

Very strange indeed!
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
ReneDescartes
God Member
*****
Offline


Qu'est-ce donc que je
suis? Une chose qui pense.

Posts: 1019
Joined: 05/17/10
Gender: Male
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #26 - 11/01/17 at 14:36:01
Post Tools
Yes. Lemos actually sanctions 2.Nf3--not even 3.Nf3. The direct quote is after 2.Nf3: "2.c4 is our direct move order, but there is no harm in throwing in Nf3 first, especially if White prefers to avoid the Budapest Gambit..."
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
TD
Senior Member
****
Offline


Feyenoord forever!

Posts: 391
Location: Rotterdam, NLD
Joined: 02/12/11
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #25 - 11/01/17 at 04:42:50
Post Tools
ReneDescartes wrote on 11/01/17 at 00:43:59:
In Andersson-Roos.

Not in my book! Do you have an electronic version?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
ReneDescartes
God Member
*****
Offline


Qu'est-ce donc que je
suis? Une chose qui pense.

Posts: 1019
Joined: 05/17/10
Gender: Male
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #24 - 11/01/17 at 00:43:59
Post Tools
In Andersson-Roos.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
TD
Senior Member
****
Offline


Feyenoord forever!

Posts: 391
Location: Rotterdam, NLD
Joined: 02/12/11
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #23 - 10/31/17 at 17:59:59
Post Tools
ReneDescartes wrote on 10/31/17 at 17:51:33:
And he's carelessly misleading about this point. He remarks that it does no harm to throw in 3.Nf3 if you want to avoid facing the Budapest, but it's not true! Part of his Gruenfeld repertoire depends on the possibility of Ne2.

Where does he say that, ReneDescartes?

Update: The only thing I noticed that in the Index of Variations, Chapter 4, it says 4.Nf3 0-0 5.Bg2 instead of 4.Bg2.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
ReneDescartes
God Member
*****
Offline


Qu'est-ce donc que je
suis? Une chose qui pense.

Posts: 1019
Joined: 05/17/10
Gender: Male
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #22 - 10/31/17 at 17:51:33
Post Tools
And he's carelessly misleading about this point. He remarks that it does no harm to throw in 3.Nf3 if you want to avoid facing the Budapest, but it's not true! Part of his Gruenfeld repertoire depends on the possibility of Ne2.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
TD
Senior Member
****
Offline


Feyenoord forever!

Posts: 391
Location: Rotterdam, NLD
Joined: 02/12/11
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #21 - 10/31/17 at 13:14:51
Post Tools
gillbod wrote on 10/05/16 at 19:12:50:
RdC wrote on 06/23/14 at 19:30:03:
How about
(d) 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 Bg7 4. Bg2 O-O 5. Nc3 other plausible moves.

The plausible moves being 5. .. c5, which can be an English if both players want it to be, 5. .. d6 and 5. .. Nc6, which are mainstream Kings Indian and not quite mainstream plus 5. .. c6 which can still become either a Kings Indian or Gruenfeld.

There's old theory that holding the Knight back on b1 can be an advantage in some KID variations as it can then go to d2 instead. If the move order of the book requires Nc3, that is ruled out.


Sorry for reviving this thread if no one is interested, but it seems this thread concluded prematurely.

I expect 5.e4 would be the move to play instead of 5.Nc3 to stay in Lemos's repertoire.

Lemos advocates 5.Nc3 d6 6.Nf3; 5...c5 6.Nf3.

Against 5...c6 I think both 6.e4 and 6.Nf3 stay in his repertoire depending on if you want the Grunfeld or not.

5...Nc6 6.Nf3 d5 would not be in his repertoire!

I am working on the book right now and was also thinking of 5.e4 as the best way to stay in his repertoire. Unless Black plays 5...c5... I think even after 5...d6 it may be difficult if Black doesn't cooperate.
« Last Edit: 10/31/17 at 15:16:29 by TD »  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
gillbod
Full Member
***
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 138
Joined: 03/26/13
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #20 - 10/05/16 at 19:12:50
Post Tools
RdC wrote on 06/23/14 at 19:30:03:
How about
(d) 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 Bg7 4. Bg2 O-O 5. Nc3 other plausible moves.

The plausible moves being 5. .. c5, which can be an English if both players want it to be, 5. .. d6 and 5. .. Nc6, which are mainstream Kings Indian and not quite mainstream plus 5. .. c6 which can still become either a Kings Indian or Gruenfeld.

There's old theory that holding the Knight back on b1 can be an advantage in some KID variations as it can then go to d2 instead. If the move order of the book requires Nc3, that is ruled out.


Sorry for reviving this thread if no one is interested, but it seems this thread concluded prematurely.

I expect 5.e4 would be the move to play instead of 5.Nc3 to stay in Lemos's repertoire.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
RdC
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 833
Joined: 05/17/08
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #19 - 06/23/14 at 19:30:03
Post Tools
tony37 wrote on 06/23/14 at 18:41:37:
[quote author=5A5E5C525906055B4D370 link=1382420107/17#17 date=1403544146]
of course line d isn't covered, it's a blunder


How about
(d) 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 Bg7 4. Bg2 O-O 5. Nc3 other plausible moves.

The plausible moves being 5. .. c5, which can be an English if both players want it to be, 5. .. d6 and 5. .. Nc6, which are mainstream Kings Indian and not quite mainstream plus 5. .. c6 which can still become either a Kings Indian or Gruenfeld.

There's old theory that holding the Knight back on b1 can be an advantage in some KID variations as it can then go to d2 instead. If the move order of the book requires Nc3, that is ruled out.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
tony37
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 598
Joined: 10/16/10
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #18 - 06/23/14 at 18:41:37
Post Tools
nestor wrote on 06/23/14 at 17:22:26:
Line c) isn't covered, as you say, and unless I'm missing something neither is line d). Since White must play either 5.Nc3 or 5.Nf3 in this move order, this rather reduces the book's utility full stop, not just for 1.Nf3 players.

of course line d isn't covered, it's a blunder
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
nestor
Junior Member
**
Offline



Posts: 89
Location: London
Joined: 05/10/09
Gender: Male
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #17 - 06/23/14 at 17:22:26
Post Tools
Line c) isn't covered, as you say, and unless I'm missing something neither is line d). Since White must play either 5.Nc3 or 5.Nf3 in this move order, this rather reduces the book's utility full stop, not just for 1.Nf3 players.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
RdC
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 833
Joined: 05/17/08
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #16 - 06/23/14 at 13:59:13
Post Tools
So of the various move orders, is this the material?

(a) 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 d5 - covered
(b) 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 Bg7 4. Bg2 d5 - covered
(c) 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 Bg7 4. Bg2 O-O 5. Nf3 d5 - not covered
(d) 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 Bg7 4. Bg2 O-O 5. Nc3 d5 - covered
(e) 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 Bg7 4. Bg2 O-O 5. Nc3 c6 6. Nf3 d5 - covered

If line (c) isn't included, this reduces the utility of the book to those who would prefer to start 1. Nf3, rather than 1. d4
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
nestor
Junior Member
**
Offline



Posts: 89
Location: London
Joined: 05/10/09
Gender: Male
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #15 - 06/23/14 at 07:46:43
Post Tools
Lemos gives some brief analysis of 15...Qd4, and also of ...Be6 instead of ...Bf5 at a couple of points. I won't quote the analysis as I don't think it's fair to the author and publisher; it may be enough to say that Lemos likes White's chances, but I can't see Radjabov or Giri being scared off.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
kylemeister
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 4466
Location: USA
Joined: 10/24/05
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #14 - 06/22/14 at 22:48:12
Post Tools
TD wrote on 06/22/14 at 21:12:28:
7...Qc7 8.b3, Kramnik-Radjabov 2013.


Thanks.  I wonder if there's anything enlightening regarding Kramnik allowing and Radjabov avoiding 15...Qd4 (which the Yearbook gave as leading to equality in a couple of earlier games). 

Maybe if Lemos had been writing a book for Black, he would have used another 2013 game, Khismatullin-Giri (with 14...Be6 instead of 14...Bf5)  Smiley
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 
Topic Tools
Bookmarks: del.icio.us Digg Facebook Google Google+ Linked in reddit StumbleUpon Twitter Yahoo