(UTC)
Latest Updates:
  ChessPub Forum › Chess Publishing Openings › Flank Openings › Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
(Moderators: proustiskeen, Hadron)
‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 [2] 
Topic Tools
Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) Damian Lemos Fianchetto System (Read 29148 times)
TD
God Member
*****
Offline


Feyenoord forever!

Posts: 625
Location: Rotterdam, NLD
Joined: 02/12/11
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #13 - 06/22/14 at 21:12:28
Post Tools
kylemeister wrote on 06/22/14 at 20:42:25:
I wonder if Lemos would have White face 5. Nc3 c5 6. Nf3 cd 7. Nxd4 Qc7, which was described as "something of a problem for White" by Richard Palliser in a 2010 Yearbook article.  I see that the index of Lemos' book mentions 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 c5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Bg2 0-0 6. 0-0 d6 -- I presume he has something to say about 6...cd 7. Nxd4 d5 (also considered satisfactory for Black in the Palliser article)?

7...Qc7 8.b3, Kramnik-Radjabov 2013.

I couldn't find 6...cd 7.Nxd4 d5 in the games.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
kylemeister
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 4904
Location: USA
Joined: 10/24/05
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #12 - 06/22/14 at 20:42:25
Post Tools
I wonder if Lemos would have White face 5. Nc3 c5 6. Nf3 cd 7. Nxd4 Qc7, which was described as "something of a problem for White" by Richard Palliser in a 2010 Yearbook article.  I see that the index of Lemos' book mentions 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. g3 c5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Bg2 0-0 6. 0-0 d6 -- I presume he has something to say about 6...cd 7. Nxd4 d5 (also considered satisfactory for Black in the Palliser article)?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
TD
God Member
*****
Offline


Feyenoord forever!

Posts: 625
Location: Rotterdam, NLD
Joined: 02/12/11
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #11 - 06/22/14 at 20:06:20
Post Tools
Lanark wrote on 06/22/14 at 18:51:21:
Am I missing something or is the move order
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.g3 Bg7 4.Bg2 0-0 5.Nf3 d5
not covered in the book?

Lemos gives Grünfeld lines with c6 and lines with 4...d5 5.cxd5 Nxd5 6.e4 followed by Ne2, but after the sequence above Ne2 is no longer possible.

I just can't believe that such a natural move order ist not mentioned.
Maybe White should play 5.Nc3(?). I don't get it.

I believe Avrukh's book had the same problem of omitting 4...0-0 as was mentioned elsewhere. Avrukh chooses 5.Nc3 as does Lemos, according to the games in the index.

The strange thing is that, according to the Index of Variations, Lemos plays 4.Nf3 or 5.Nf3 against the KID...
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Lanark
Junior Member
**
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 50
Joined: 07/24/13
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #10 - 06/22/14 at 18:51:21
Post Tools
Am I missing something or is the move order
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.g3 Bg7 4.Bg2 0-0 5.Nf3 d5
not covered in the book?

Lemos gives Grünfeld lines with c6 and lines with 4...d5 5.cxd5 Nxd5 6.e4 followed by Ne2, but after the sequence above Ne2 is no longer possible.

I just can't believe that such a natural move order ist not mentioned.
Maybe White should play 5.Nc3(?). I don't get it.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
middlewave
Ex Member


Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #9 - 06/07/14 at 13:26:21
Post Tools
I think what Lemos means is that he is thus avoiding transpositions to the Benoni and Benko with g2-g3 already in (ie. the fianchetto systems in those openings), not the openings themselves, and thus White is free to choose whichever system he/she prefers against the Benoni and Benko, not bound by the need to put the bishop on g2.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Bonsai
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 622
Joined: 03/13/04
Gender: Male
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #8 - 06/03/14 at 06:32:14
Post Tools
TN wrote on 10/22/13 at 05:51:07:
Perhaps he intends to meet 3.g3 c5 with 4.Nf3, which would indeed transpose to Symmetrical English lines after 4...cxd4 5.Nxd4.

Based on the pdf sample that's what he recommends in order to "eliminate the Benoni and Benko" - er, what about 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5? Okay, so he officially only offers a repertoire after 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.g3, but that's a bit cheeky, since anyone taking up the repertoire will need to learn those openings, after all, anyway (I suppose without being committed to g3, which may not be so great in those openings).
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
TD
God Member
*****
Offline


Feyenoord forever!

Posts: 625
Location: Rotterdam, NLD
Joined: 02/12/11
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #7 - 05/28/14 at 12:28:20
Post Tools
Any opinions about GID & KID compared to Avrukh and Hilton & Ippolito?

Any opinions about Symmetrical English compared to Khalifman, Marin and Hilton & Ippolito?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
TonyRo
God Member
*****
Offline


I'm gonna crack your skull!

Posts: 1826
Location: Cleveland, OH
Joined: 11/26/07
Gender: Male
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #6 - 05/22/14 at 19:05:06
Post Tools
If I get some spare time in the next week or so I might do a more in-depth dive into this system and see what I come up with - never thought the line was super easy for Black, but I also recall finding a few interesting ways to play for the second player the first time I looked around.

The difference between 16 and 17.b3 might be minimal, but I'll certainly look into it.  Grin
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
ErictheRed
God Member
*****
Offline


USCF National Master

Posts: 2533
Location: USA
Joined: 10/02/05
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #5 - 05/22/14 at 14:07:17
Post Tools
That's interesting, Tony.  Incidentally my human brain would probably play 16.b3 there, which seems the most flexible way of doing everything, i.e. stopping ...Nc4 and preparing to move the rook before the knight gets to d2.  Meanwhile I'm holding back on the potentially weakening f2-f4 thrust for another few moves to see how Black responds.  After 16.b3 I also have ideas of pushing a4-a5 and driving the knight to a potentially poor square, and if 16...Bd7 (to clear the route ...Nb6-c8-d6) then 17.f4 probably gains in strength.  It might all just come to the same thing, though.

That's just my gut feeling, but yes overall the position after 15 moves does look pretty good for White to me.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
TonyRo
God Member
*****
Offline


I'm gonna crack your skull!

Posts: 1826
Location: Cleveland, OH
Joined: 11/26/07
Gender: Male
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #4 - 05/21/14 at 21:36:24
Post Tools
I like this line for White quite a bit. Even if Black can prove equality somewhere, the positions are still very interesting, and I think if you prepared this line as White, you'd score better than average, as most people tend to not study lines like this.

I checked what Delchev and Agrest like for Black, and they recommend 7...c5! 8.d5 O-O 9.O-O e6! 10.Nec3 Na6 11.a4! Nb4!, their bangs not mine. Their line continues 12.Be3 Bd4! 13.Bxd4 cxd4 14.Na2 Nxa2 15.Rxa2 e5, when they give the finish 16.Nd2 a5 17.Qb3 Qd6 18.f4 f6.

Instead, my computer prefers the immediate 16.f4 f6 17.b3!?, stopping ...Nc4 and intending 18.Raf2. I like this position for White, who also has opportunities for a5 or Bh3 at the right moments too.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Reed
YaBB Newbies
*
Offline


I Love ChessPublishing!

Posts: 6
Joined: 03/29/14
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #3 - 05/21/14 at 19:48:52
Post Tools
Regarding 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.g3 Bg7 4.Bg2 d5 5.cxd5 Nxd5 6.e4 Nb6 7.Ne2 --

Avrukh says he originally intended to recommend this line in GM Repertoire, but he failed to find an advantage for White after 7...c5 8.d5 e6. Vigorito says about the same thing in "Chess Developments: The Grunfeld". Oddly, Dembo recommends 7...e5, a line that scores very well for White. Mikhalchishin dismisses 7...e5 with a wave of the hand on his Chessbase DVD saying that it blocks in the bishop, and then doesn't even bother to recommend a response for White.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
ghenghisclown
God Member
*****
Offline


Pedicare Vestri Latin

Posts: 1022
Location: HollyWeird
Joined: 07/19/06
Gender: Male
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #2 - 10/23/13 at 07:43:33
Post Tools
After thinking about your reply, it occurs to me that perhaps Lemos will (if he goes 3.g3 and not Nf3) recommend the system against the Gruny where White delays playing Nf3 and tries to get in e4 first, backed up by the Bg2.
  
"Experience is a dim lamp, which only lights the one who bears it."
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
TN
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 3420
Joined: 11/07/08
Gender: Male
Re: Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
Reply #1 - 10/22/13 at 05:51:07
Post Tools
Perhaps he intends to meet 3.g3 c5 with 4.Nf3, which would indeed transpose to Symmetrical English lines after 4...cxd4 5.Nxd4. With Avrukh already presenting a strong repertoire with 3.g3 (not to mention against it!) I'm curious to see what Lemos delivers.
  
All our dreams come true if we have the courage to pursue them.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
ghenghisclown
God Member
*****
Offline


Pedicare Vestri Latin

Posts: 1022
Location: HollyWeird
Joined: 07/19/06
Gender: Male
Damian Lemos Fianchetto System
10/22/13 at 05:35:07
Post Tools
It seems that GM Lemos (I'm a fan) has a new book coming out that is largely about the Fianchetto KID and Grunfeld...the description, however, http://www.amazon.com/Opening-Repertoire-Fianchetto-Weapons-Grunfeld/dp/17819416...

also says "*Includes the King's Indian, Grunfeld and Symmetrical English. * "
  
"Experience is a dim lamp, which only lights the one who bears it."
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 [2] 
Topic Tools
‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›
Bookmarks: del.icio.us Digg Facebook Google Google+ Linked in reddit StumbleUpon Twitter Yahoo
 
  « Board Index ‹ Board Top  

ChessPub Forum » Powered by YaBB 2.6.12!
YaBB Forum Software © 2000-2024. All Rights Reserved.

Valid RSS Valid XHTML Valid CSS Powered by Perl Source Forge