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Re: Two New Titles in the Dragon by Nielsen
Reply #34 - 01/30/14 at 11:59:19
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Sauron wrote on 01/30/14 at 11:12:47:
bragesjo wrote on 01/29/14 at 20:54:00:
I had forgotten the slogan.

Now changed to "Long live the Nimzo Indian" since the opening has changed my chess forever.


What did you play before against 1.d4?

I hope Nimzo will also change my chess now Smiley


I used to play the Leningrad Dutch for more than a decade with mixed reults. First I played Qe8 variation, then Re1 became stronger and I played c6 variation instead when Re1 is toothless like one of my games in Superettan 2008. Then after a while lower rated players at local club begun to learn how to play against it to so I swtched to Nimzo Indian with a better score vs 1 d4 than ever!
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Reply #33 - 01/30/14 at 11:12:47
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bragesjo wrote on 01/29/14 at 20:54:00:
I had forgotten the slogan.

Now changed to "Long live the Nimzo Indian" since the opening has changed my chess forever.


What did you play before against 1.d4?

I hope Nimzo will also change my chess now Smiley
  

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I had forgotten the slogan.

Now changed to "Long live the Nimzo Indian" since the opening has changed my chess forever.
  
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Re: Two New Titles in the Dragon by Nielsen
Reply #31 - 01/29/14 at 13:42:33
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bragesjo wrote on 01/29/14 at 12:17:47:
I rarely play the Dragon anymore, these days I play the complete opposite of Dragon, the Caro Kann.
I selected Caro Kannn since I play Nimzo Indian and it can tranpose to a Panov line.
My studies of Nimzo Indian mayed me reconsder my entire repertour and also change my view of chess and my style.

Bc4 yugoslav leeds to interesting play by I no longer finds 9 0-0-0 positions interesting anymore from blacks point of view.
Black might by ok but lots of theory, including theory on anti sicilians.


Thank you. You should consider changing your slogan: "Life for the Dragon "  to  "There is life after the Dragon "  Wink

It seems to me that especially due to 9.0-0-0 the dragon is a bad choice against lower rated players.
  

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I rarely play the Dragon anymore, these days I play the complete opposite of Dragon, the Caro Kann.
I selected Caro Kannn since I play Nimzo Indian and it can tranpose to a Panov line.
My studies of Nimzo Indian mayed me reconsder my entire repertour and also change my view of chess and my style.

Bc4 yugoslav leeds to interesting play by I no longer finds 9 0-0-0 positions interesting anymore from blacks point of view.
Black might by ok but lots of theory, including theory on anti sicilians.
  
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Re: Two New Titles in the Dragon by Nielsen
Reply #29 - 01/29/14 at 10:28:02
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bragesjo wrote on 12/24/13 at 16:14:08:
I made a quick look on the Bc4 disc and he has several interesting noveltys in some lines.

I wll look at the discs a bit deeper after christmas


Hi Bragesjo,

My rating is ca. 2100, but I don't play much chess at competitive level anymore. Mainly Internet and club games. I played the dragon my first years of chess, but then switched to other sicilians (Classical, taimanov) and then to the french.  I have one question on Dragon.

What is it like to playing dragon in practice these days? I'm considering at the moment what could be my secondary defence to 1.e4. Also I play 1.Nf3 c5. Is there any sense in the idea that dragon could be an option, or are people too booked up? Are they almost always playing the main lines?

My main defence to 1.d4 has for a very long time been the Benkö, but I will make it my secondary defence after Nimzo. I'm now looking for my secondary defence (sicilian?) to the french.

I have been considering all sicilian options but am not totally happy with any of them.
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Re: Two New Titles in the Dragon by Nielsen
Reply #28 - 12/24/13 at 16:14:08
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I made a quick look on the Bc4 disc and he has several interesting noveltys in some lines.

I wll look at the discs a bit deeper after christmas
  
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Re: Two New Titles in the Dragon by Nielsen
Reply #27 - 12/20/13 at 23:09:49
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After watching the 9.O-O-O d5 10.exd5 Nxd5 11.Nxc6 bxc6 12.Bd4 Bxd4 13.Qxd4 Qb6 14.Na4 Qc7 section, I don't really see this particular variation troubling me that much, but I was never troubled with the 12...e5 lines either when they were less investigated and more popular.

Indeed, Karjakin's move order is interesting, as Nielsen prefers to meet 15.Bc4 Rd8 16.Bb3 with the wood-chopping 16...Be6. Nielsen discusses this position via the move order 15.Nc5, preferring 15...Rd8 16.Bc4 Bf5 17.Bb3 Nb6 over what Van Wely played, and I'd agree. The DVD discussed 18.Qc3 of A.Muzychuk - V.Cmilyte, European Club Cup 2012, which continued 18...h5!? 19.g3 e6 20.Rhe1 Nd5 21.Qe5 Qe7, which seems pretty equal to me, and I also analyzed 18.Qe3, which is Houdini's preference. After 18...h5!? again, I'm not sure there's anything there for White - I thought 19.Rde1!? might be the best option, but I wasn't particularly troubled by it, and there was actually a lot of play and interested subtleties there too. There's also just 18...Nd5 too, I'm not sure.

There's also gewgaw's 17...Nf4!? line, but with 22...Qd6!, which seems equal.

The last idea I looked at was in what most people consider a slightly worse version of 14...Qc7, that being 14...Qa5 15.b3 Qc7. The main line continues 16.h4 h5 17.Bc4 Nb6 18.Nb2, and now I thought 18...Qg3!?N was interesting.

I dunno, just some food for thought to keep the discussion going!
  
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Re: Two New Titles in the Dragon by Nielsen
Reply #26 - 12/17/13 at 17:03:50
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Yes, sorry, I could have been more clear:

  
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Re: Two New Titles in the Dragon by Nielsen
Reply #25 - 12/17/13 at 15:47:32
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Sorry, what is the exchange sac line?

15.b3 b4 ?

There are a number of exchange sacs in the Dragon...

Thanks for clarifying. A long time since Dearing book...


TonyRo wrote on 12/13/13 at 01:11:19:
So I splurged on the Nielsen DVDs, mostly because I really respect him as a chess player and trusted that he'd do good work on them.

If anyone is curious, he recommends the exchange sac line against 9.Bc4/12.Kb1, and the ending with 9.O-O-O d5, 15...Rd8.

Looking at the position for an hour or so, what's wrong with 15...Rb8? Black has gotten reasonable positions in all of the games, and I didn't find anything hugely scary? Anyone who's been following this line closely? 16.Nc5 perhaps?

  
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Re: Two New Titles in the Dragon by Nielsen
Reply #24 - 12/14/13 at 17:00:51
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Yes, the Burnett. Could not for the life of me remember the name at the time.
  
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Re: Two New Titles in the Dragon by Nielsen
Reply #23 - 12/14/13 at 13:37:19
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TopNotch wrote on 12/14/13 at 04:16:28:
TonyRo wrote on 12/13/13 at 01:11:19:
So I splurged on the Nielsen DVDs, mostly because I really respect him as a chess player and trusted that he'd do good work on them.

If anyone is curious, he recommends the exchange sac line against 9.Bc4/12.Kb1, and the ending with 9.O-O-O d5, 15...Rd8.

Looking at the position for an hour or so, what's wrong with 15...Rb8? Black has gotten reasonable positions in all of the games, and I didn't find anything hugely scary? Anyone who's been following this line closely? 16.Nc5 perhaps?


I too have been slowly working my way through these DVD's, and find the analysis and choice of lines very interesting. His delivery however would have been much improved if he refrained from interjecting the word 'WELL' in nearly every sentence, I found it very annoying. Almost as annoying as Sam Collins pronouncing (Aitch) file as (Haitch) file, that drove me nuts, like nails on a chalk board. Also at the end of each clip, Nielsen contorts his face in a very comical way (at least to me), he does so as consistently as one would use a full stop to end a sentence.

If you can tolerate the verbal ticks and face pulling, then I would say this is must have for Dragon players. As one would expect of a player of Nielsen's calibre, he doesn't simply regurgitate existing theory, but furthers it with novelties in critical lines where needed, and shares some deep insights into the Dragon as a whole, as only an actual practitioner of the defence could do effectively. For instance he has clips explaining why he chose some variations over others, and he does so with analysis of not only the advocated lines but the rejected ones as well, which has the advantage of giving the viewer a deeper more intimate understanding of the current state of theory. He also spends quite a bit of time on subtle move order issues, so that the prospective Dragon Player reaches the desired positions without being tricked, or as we say in the business, move-ordered.   

Early days yet, but I would cautiously rate these dvd's up there with Jan Gustafsson's, Marshall Attack and Repertoire for Black dvd's.

In closing, Nielsen has one chapter in particular that has impressed me so far, entitled Kasparov's endgame. The chapter features the Kasparov vs Anand wch match, where Kasparov sprung the Dragon with sensational effect. That chapter alone in my opinion is worth the price of admission.   

One last pet peeve before I sign off, could someone tell Daniel king to stop saying 'INDEED" every two seconds in his commentaries, I know he's british, but still......  Roll Eyes

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Thanks for the considered review. Ordered my copy!
In defence of Sam Collins (again, non-disclaimer, never met him) I understand that it is not unusual for Irish to use 'haitch' for the letter H. Heard it said that this is a Protestant v Catholic thing, that Catholics are taught 'haitch' but I cannot state either way whether true or urban myth. And do not wish to derail a good thread about what sounds like an excellent product. Just saying'...

I look forward to receiving and to Neilsen's scrunched face expressions...!

@TonyRo
exchange sac - you mean the Burnett line as below?
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1292935274
  
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Re: Two New Titles in the Dragon by Nielsen
Reply #22 - 12/14/13 at 04:16:28
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TonyRo wrote on 12/13/13 at 01:11:19:
So I splurged on the Nielsen DVDs, mostly because I really respect him as a chess player and trusted that he'd do good work on them.

If anyone is curious, he recommends the exchange sac line against 9.Bc4/12.Kb1, and the ending with 9.O-O-O d5, 15...Rd8.

Looking at the position for an hour or so, what's wrong with 15...Rb8? Black has gotten reasonable positions in all of the games, and I didn't find anything hugely scary? Anyone who's been following this line closely? 16.Nc5 perhaps?


I too have been slowly working my way through these DVD's, and find the analysis and choice of lines very interesting. His delivery however would have been much improved if he refrained from interjecting the word 'WELL' in nearly every sentence, I found it very annoying. Almost as annoying as Sam Collins pronouncing (Aitch) file as (Haitch) file, that drove me nuts, like nails on a chalk board. Also at the end of each clip, Nielsen contorts his face in a very comical way (at least to me), he does so as consistently as one would use a full stop to end a sentence.

If you can tolerate the verbal ticks and face pulling, then I would say this is must have for Dragon players. As one would expect of a player of Nielsen's calibre, he doesn't simply regurgitate existing theory, but furthers it with novelties in critical lines where needed, and shares some deep insights into the Dragon as a whole, as only an actual practitioner of the defence could do effectively. For instance he has clips explaining why he chose some variations over others, and he does so with analysis of not only the advocated lines but the rejected ones as well, which has the advantage of giving the viewer a deeper more intimate understanding of the current state of theory. He also spends quite a bit of time on subtle move order issues, so that the prospective Dragon Player reaches the desired positions without being tricked, or as we say in the business, move-ordered.   

Early days yet, but I would cautiously rate these dvd's up there with Jan Gustafsson's, Marshall Attack and Repertoire for Black dvd's.

In closing, Nielsen has one chapter in particular that has impressed me so far, entitled Kasparov's endgame. The chapter features the Kasparov vs Anand wch match, where Kasparov sprung the Dragon with sensational effect. That chapter alone in my opinion is worth the price of admission.   

One last pet peeve before I sign off, could someone tell Daniel king to stop saying 'INDEED" every two seconds in his commentaries, I know he's british, but still......  Roll Eyes

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Re: Two New Titles in the Dragon by Nielsen
Reply #21 - 12/13/13 at 15:41:30
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Bibs wrote on 12/13/13 at 12:51:16:
The problem with such a position, as gewgaw notes, is that it is a bit 'Black holding'.
Theoretically, yes, may do.
But it is a bit grim, and for amateurs, not the cheeriest prospect, not a way to 'enjoy' a hobby.
gewgaw - thoughts on 15...Rb8?


Through the eyes of an amateur, just interested in over the board play:
Black has to prove, that he has compensation for his splitted pawns, the weak square c5, white just has to dry out Black's possibilities and he'll get a better ending, if it's enough for a win I don't know, in cc it's probably a draw, over the board white has good chances for a long squeeze and playing for two results.




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The problem with such a position, as gewgaw notes, is that it is a bit 'Black holding'.
Theoretically, yes, may do.
But it is a bit grim, and for amateurs, not the cheeriest prospect, not a way to 'enjoy' a hobby.
gewgaw - thoughts on 15...Rb8?
  
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Reply #19 - 12/13/13 at 01:11:19
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So I splurged on the Nielsen DVDs, mostly because I really respect him as a chess player and trusted that he'd do good work on them.

If anyone is curious, he recommends the exchange sac line against 9.Bc4/12.Kb1, and the ending with 9.O-O-O d5, 15...Rd8.

Looking at the position for an hour or so, what's wrong with 15...Rb8? Black has gotten reasonable positions in all of the games, and I didn't find anything hugely scary? Anyone who's been following this line closely? 16.Nc5 perhaps?
  
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Reply #18 - 12/12/13 at 21:51:04
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Papageno wrote on 12/12/13 at 21:07:27:
gewgaw wrote on 12/11/13 at 11:21:11:
At the latest after the game Karjakin - van Wely, 2013, I consider the dragon as a dubious opening.

As to this game, I noticed that some big corr guys (Haugen, Ham, Voll) recently deviated with 17...Nf4, a move that went unnoticed in Chris Ward's ChessPublishing annotations to this game.

They drew their games but this does not necessarily mean that Black has an easy game OTB.



1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 Nc6 8. Qd2 O-O 9. O-O-O d5 10. exd5 Nxd5
11. Nxc6 bxc6 12. Bd4 Bxd4 13. Qxd4 Qb6 14. Na4 Qc7 15. Bc4 Rd8 (15... Rb8!?) 16. Nc5 I like this move very much, it restricts Black's idea to get rid of Bc8 with Nf4 + Be6) Bf5 17. Bb3 Nf4 !? (17... h5) 18. Qf2 Rxd1+ 19.
Rxd1 Rd8 20. Rxd8+ Qxd8 21. g4 Bc8 and here is a good moment to ask Magnus for a small hint, how to play this ending
22. Qd2 (22. h4 Qc7 23. h5 (23. a4) (23. Bc4
)) 22... Qc7 (22... Qxd2+?) White can play on without any risk, maybe Black can hold, but he has clear weaknesses.
  

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gewgaw wrote on 12/11/13 at 11:21:11:
At the latest after the game Karjakin - van Wely, 2013, I consider the dragon as a dubious opening.

As to this game, I noticed that some big corr guys (Haugen, Ham, Voll) recently deviated with 17...Nf4, a move that went unnoticed in Chris Ward's ChessPublishing annotations to this game.

They drew their games but this does not necessarily mean that Black has an easy game OTB.
  
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Reply #15 - 12/12/13 at 13:17:50
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This is the link to the site: http://tcec.chessdom.com/superfinal.php you need to select game 47 in the drop down menu.

Below is the game:

[Event "nTCEC - Superfinal - Season 2"]
[Site "http://www.tcec-chess.net"]
[Date "2013.12.01"]
[Round "47.1"]
[White "Stockfish 191113"]
[Black "Komodo 1142"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Variant "normal"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Nc6 7. f3 Bg7 8. Qd2
O-O 9. g4 Be6 10. Nxe6 fxe6 11. O-O-O Ne5 12. Be2 Qc8 13. h4 Nfd7 14. h5 Nc4
15. Bxc4 Qxc4 16. hxg6 hxg6 17. f4 Bxc3 18. bxc3 Qxa2 19. Qh2 Kf7 20. Qh7+ Ke8
21. e5 dxe5 22. Qxg6+ Kd8 23. Qd3 Qa1+ 24. Kd2 Qa4 25. fxe5 Kc7 26. Qd4 Qa6
27. Ra1 Qc6 28. Rh7 Rad8 29. Rxe7 Kc8 30. Kc1 Qb5 31. Qb4 Qe2 32. Bd4 Rf1+
33. Kb2 Rxa1 34. Kxa1 Qxc2 35. Bxa7 Qd1+ 36. Kb2 Rh8 37. Bf2 Qe2+ 38. Kb3 Qd1+
39. Kb2 Qe2+ 40. Kb3 Qd1+ 1/2-1/2
  
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LostTactic wrote on 12/12/13 at 11:35:23:
In the process of downloading them. Nielsen was the big draw for me, interested to see what he recommends in the 9.g4 variation. Black seems to be doing terribly there atm, I'm guessing he'll recommend Komodo's 14...Nc4 from the TCEC event.


Hi, can you give us a link to the Komodo game pls? Thanks!
  
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In the process of downloading them. Nielsen was the big draw for me, interested to see what he recommends in the 9.g4 variation. Black seems to be doing terribly there atm, I'm guessing he'll recommend Komodo's 14...Nc4 from the TCEC event.
  
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Reply #12 - 12/12/13 at 07:59:57
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Bibs wrote on 12/11/13 at 23:29:07:
Not entirely sure I agree re 0-0-0 being readily covered 'succinctly' though. With the Kb1, Qe1 stuff too. And the big challenge of taking on d5. Looks good, we'll see!
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Yeah, you're completely right. It's been so long since I've not played 2...Nc6 and 4...e5 that I forgot about all of the lines except the most important one!
  
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Reply #11 - 12/12/13 at 07:50:21
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TonyRo wrote on 12/11/13 at 15:02:44:
I'll be very interested to download these. Before my Kalashnikov renaissance, I only played the Dragon, and I scored really well.

My problem with the Dragon at the moment is that if after 9.O-O-O, the best Black has is to suffer in these endings after 12...Nxc3 or 12...Nxd4, then I'm not particularly interested. At least 12...e5 kept some dynamism in the position.

I will likely still pay the high cost for both of these, because I'm a complete sucker.  Grin


I completly agree, I have about the same story only that I turned to Caro Kann and not Kalashnikov.
Bc4 yugoslav is also a bit tricky to play against I one wants to win since there are several long forced draws.
  
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Reply #10 - 12/11/13 at 23:29:07
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TonyRo wrote on 12/11/13 at 19:59:59:
It may well be that 9.Bc4 was given a DVD because of the huge amount of theory that's built up behind it. It seems easier to cover 9.g4 and 9.O-O-O relatively succinctly.


I think that is probably the case. Just a lot of 'stuff' there in the Soltis (...h5). Deep and complex. I think that is fair enough really.
No one disagrees about 0-0-0 being a major challenge of course. And yes, the line gewgaw notes is an issue to be dealt with.
Not entirely sure I agree re 0-0-0 being readily covered 'succinctly' though. With the Kb1, Qe1 stuff too. And the big challenge of taking on d5. Looks good, we'll see!
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It may well be that 9.Bc4 was given a DVD because of the huge amount of theory that's built up behind it. It seems easier to cover 9.g4 and 9.O-O-O relatively succinctly.
  
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Reply #8 - 12/11/13 at 19:36:06
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TonyRo wrote on 12/11/13 at 15:02:44:
I'll be very interested to download these. Before my Kalashnikov renaissance, I only played the Dragon, and I scored really well.

My problem with the Dragon at the moment is that if after 9.O-O-O, the best Black has is to suffer in these endings after 12...Nxc3 or 12...Nxd4, then I'm not particularly interested. At least 12...e5 kept some dynamism in the position.

I will likely still pay the high cost for both of these, because I'm a complete sucker.  Grin



Yes, I was a little surprised Nielsen considers 9.Bc4 the main line since for years I've observed some strong players commenting that 9.0-0-0 is the strongest approach.

Also, this move gives good results FROM STRONG PLAYERS WHO ARE VERY KNOWN, LOL.
  

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Re: Two New Titles in the Dragon by Nielsen
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I'll be very interested to download these. Before my Kalashnikov renaissance, I only played the Dragon, and I scored really well.

My problem with the Dragon at the moment is that if after 9.O-O-O, the best Black has is to suffer in these endings after 12...Nxc3 or 12...Nxd4, then I'm not particularly interested. At least 12...e5 kept some dynamism in the position.

I will likely still pay the high cost for both of these, because I'm a complete sucker.  Grin
  
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Re: Two New Titles in the Dragon by Nielsen
Reply #6 - 12/11/13 at 14:35:31
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I am more intrested of this disc becouse I have lots of Dragon discs and books not becouse I intend to play it more often.
These days I only play Dragon in team matches if my captain orders me to, otherwise I play Caro Kann.
This stratey work out well last season and also this far this season, except that I not met open Sicilian yet but got a draw in an anti sicilian vs slightly higher rated in the onlly  game I met 1 e4.

If an opening is bad becouse player X lost in it, nobody would play Ruy Lopes as white since Anand lost with it.


  
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I doubt if anyone can refute the assertion that you consider it a dubious opening. Unless you've changed your mind of course Smiley

If we all stopped playing openings in which Van Wely had lost horribly to top players there wouldn't be very much left!
  
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Bibs wrote on 12/11/13 at 12:21:50:
gewgaw wrote on 12/11/13 at 11:21:11:
At the latest after the game Karjakin - van Wely, 2013, I consider the dragon as a dubious opening.


An anonymous amateur of unknown rating says an opening is bad. Could you discuss why in relation to existing theory? Comment on the game, provide a link?
Fair point perhaps. Or perhaps not.

The game is here:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1705805
also:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesslike.pl?gid=1705805

Were you surprised by Rd8? Do you prefer Jones' Rb8?

"Discuss"


Why don't you refute my assertion? It should be easy, because I'm just an unknown amateur.
  

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gewgaw wrote on 12/11/13 at 11:21:11:
At the latest after the game Karjakin - van Wely, 2013, I consider the dragon as a dubious opening.


An anonymous amateur of unknown rating says an opening is bad. Could you discuss why in relation to existing theory? Comment on the game, provide a link?
Fair point perhaps. Or perhaps not.

The game is here:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1705805
also:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesslike.pl?gid=1705805

Were you surprised by Rd8? Do you prefer Jones' Rb8?

It is not enough to be opinionated. One must also be informed.

"Discuss"
  
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At the latest after the game Karjakin - van Wely, 2013, I consider the dragon as a dubious opening.
  

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Thanks for the tip, looks interesting, I will add this to my to buy list
  
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Two New Titles in the Dragon by Nielsen
12/10/13 at 14:02:16
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New Titles just released by Anand and Carlsen's sometime second, Nielsen :

http://www.chessbase-shop.com/en/products/6650?ref=rf70-5oh0efn840

and

http://www.chessbase-shop.com/en/products/nielsen_the_sicilian_dragon_2


The Bc4 sample looks incredibly educational.

Might take his opening up, as it looks ( at least a little) safer now than in prior years and is probably Black's sharpest attempt to win.

  

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