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Reply #60 - 11/08/16 at 20:38:16
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kevinludwig wrote on 11/07/16 at 23:16:09:
if you go to the King's Indian Previous Updates and try to find something on the Mar del Plata Kozul Pawn Sac line, there's no mention of it, even though it has been covered  quite a bit on the site. So while its a huge improvement there are still some gaps.


I quite agree, and I'm trying to push the authors into putting more information into their section headings (which are used to produce the Previous Update page now), some of them are very good (GM Roiz, for instance) and others rather less so. Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #59 - 11/07/16 at 23:16:09
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Have you looked at the new 'Previous Updates' page recently? We are trying to make it much easier to the find the lines that interest you.


Yes, and you're certainly correct that it's a significant improvement from prior times. But for example, if you go to the King's Indian Previous Updates and try to find something on the Mar del Plata Kozul Pawn Sac line, there's no mention of it, even though it has been covered  quite a bit on the site. So while its a huge improvement there are still some gaps.

Anyway I love the site so please don't take the criticism the wrong way. Thanks!
  
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Reply #58 - 11/05/16 at 14:19:26
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kevinludwig wrote on 11/04/16 at 21:09:36:
But for example, many times a game notation will say something along the lines of "12. ...Qd6 has been covered on the site in previous updates". And my first instinct is "Hm that sounds interesting, I'd like to see those updates". And there's no easy way to do it from web


Have you looked at the new 'Previous Updates' page recently? We are trying to make it much easier to the find the lines that interest you.
  
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Reply #57 - 11/04/16 at 21:09:36
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Hi Tony,
To reply to a few of your comments, being able to download the PDF e-book is definitely useful on mobile, because for example my android phone has a pdf viewer and so if I just want to read the overview of something, its nice to be able to do that. (I got around it by sticking the PDF e-books on my google drive, so not a huge deal).

With respect to the opening explorer, I did see the ECO code search (and also previous updates is grouped by ECO code). But for example, many times a game notation will say something along the lines of "12. ...Qd6 has been covered on the site in previous updates". And my first instinct is "Hm that sounds interesting, I'd like to see those updates". And there's no easy way to do it from web (or mobile) only (besides downloading everything to SCID). Or alternately, if Im interested in what has been covered in the line 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. Nxe5 g6, because maybe I'm considering playing it, again SCID is my only recourse. And I just think it would be really awesome to have _something_ available so I can do it on the web-only. And who cares if it's inferior to native chessbase or SCID? It's really, really, convenient, which makes up for a lot (in my book at least). And there are good examples of opening explorer for web out there already, for example chessgames.com, chess.com, and 365chess.com all have one.
  
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Reply #56 - 11/04/16 at 08:49:18
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kevinludwig wrote on 11/03/16 at 16:50:27:
Also a game Explorer in general would be awesome so if I'm looking for coverage of some alekhine variation or whatever, I can find the updates without having to download all of 1. ...e4 and dump it into scid. It's my #1 as far as missing features.


Well, you can use the PGN Archive to define things like ECO code, year, etc. but is there really any point having a position search? How can we ever do anything that won't compare unfavorably with the powerful search facilities in ChessBase or Scid?
  
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Reply #55 - 11/04/16 at 08:46:06
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kevinludwig wrote on 11/03/16 at 16:47:01:
one thing I just noticed is no link to the pdf ebooks for download. Even on the home page it has a link but it only shows the list, not actual download links.
                   


No, no links to the PGN Archive or any of the subscriber-only material, nor Previous Updates (although you can click back through the updates one-by-one). The question is: is this important on a smartphone? I personally prefer to simply read things on my phone and do any 'heavy lifting' on a computer. However, I'm not so young!! All views on what should be shown on the Burger are most welcome. Smiley
  
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Also a game Explorer in general would be awesome so if I'm looking for coverage of some alekhine variation or whatever, I can find the updates without having to download all of 1. ...e4 and dump it into scid. It's my #1 as far as missing features.
  
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Reply #53 - 11/03/16 at 16:47:01
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That page is pretty decent on mobile, but one thing I just noticed is no link to the pdf ebooks for download. Even on the home page it has a link but it only shows the list, not actual download links.
  
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Reply #52 - 10/25/16 at 09:48:43
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kevinludwig wrote on 10/24/16 at 23:44:21:
the thing that stands out is the complete inability to navigate the games because the controls are so tiny


Yes, I'm talking about the site, not the Forum (which has it's own section). We have someone working on improving the game popups, but I was actually curious about the layout of the update pages, which have changed considerably.
  
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Reply #51 - 10/24/16 at 23:44:21
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/22/16 at 12:39:26:
Any thoughts on the new look for smartphones?


If you're talking about the site and not the forum, the thing that stands out is the complete inability to navigate the games because the controls are so tiny (on like a Note 3 phone). Basically my only option is to click on the move text to move from move to move because clicking on the forward/back buttons is impossible. Having a more limited control bar (maybe just forward and back) but very big buttons would be great.

Also the same view (board playback) looks bad in portrait view (less of a big deal) but it would be nice if it had some reasonable layout.
  
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Reply #50 - 10/22/16 at 12:39:26
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Any thoughts on the new look for smartphones?
  
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Reply #49 - 10/05/16 at 21:25:35
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This thread has been going way off-topic for some time (partly my fault, I'm afraid), should I split it up?
  
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Reply #48 - 10/05/16 at 21:24:16
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Marcellus wrote on 10/05/16 at 13:27:35:
If I could make a request for updating an eBook, it would be for the 2c3 Sicilian one to be redone by Sam Collins. It was last updated in 2005 and his input on a modernized version would be very nice and valuable, especially after all the work that David Smerdon put into the various lines.


You can always download all the C22 games, and then you get all the games plus the (up-to-date) PGN ChessPub Guides. If you then put these into one file you can easily use this database as a 'Reference', play through the guides and associated games just as a in a playable eBook.
  
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Reply #47 - 10/05/16 at 13:27:35
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/05/16 at 08:52:42:
harryt wrote on 09/21/16 at 04:14:14:
2) I really like the cbv files, but I have found inconsistent use of evaluations; I'm often left wondering which variation(s) the author favors


The problem is that there were often lots of different authors over the years, and many lines change evaluations. We obviously can't rewrite the eBooks every month.


If I could make a request for updating an eBook, it would be for the 2c3 Sicilian one to be redone by Sam Collins. It was last updated in 2005 and his input on a modernized version would be very nice and valuable, especially after all the work that David Smerdon put into the various lines.
  
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Reply #46 - 10/05/16 at 08:57:37
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harryt wrote on 09/21/16 at 04:14:14:
3) The pdf books would be helpful if formatting was improved.  There are too many nested parentheses {}[]().  Better use of white space or indentation would be a big help, or again, an ECO-like table.


Well, these nested variations come directly from ChessBase, of course. Again, we have to make these quickly each month so there is only a limited time for formatting. Some eBooks (like Ruslan's) are really deep and complicated and others rather less so.
We could easily put more white space in, although when I asked about the current design in a previous thread everyone seemed positive.
I personally don't like ECO-style tables myself ...
  
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Reply #45 - 10/05/16 at 08:52:42
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harryt wrote on 09/21/16 at 04:14:14:
2) I really like the cbv files, but I have found inconsistent use of evaluations; I'm often left wondering which variation(s) the author favors


The problem is that there were often lots of different authors over the years, and many lines change evaluations. We obviously can't rewrite the eBooks every month, just make small adjustments, so unless the line is really clear you have to look at the appropriate games to see what that author thought of the line.
  
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Reply #44 - 09/21/16 at 04:14:14
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Suggestions:

1) ECO-type table of variation evaluations; which would serve as a convenient high-level overview, especially useful for new users

2) I really like the cbv files, but I have found inconsistent use of evaluations; I'm often left wondering which variation(s) the author favors

3) The pdf books would be helpful if formatting was improved.  There are too many nested parentheses {}[]().  Better use of white space or indentation would be a big help, or again, an ECO-like table.

Please let me know if any of above is unclear.
  
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RoleyPoley wrote on 09/01/16 at 18:58:16:
Any chance of having a like button added? I'm so used to using them on other forums, i sort of miss it, when i'm on a forum witho ut it now


I don't think they are possible with YaBB Forums, but I might be wrong, I'll have a look.
  
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Reply #42 - 09/01/16 at 20:36:53
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I like likes; they're a nice lightweight way to express agreement or appreciation without forcing other people to read a comment's worth of trivial text. But I certainly don't want to force them on anyone, especially when it's a community that's lasted over a decade that has an existing set of ways of doing things.
  
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Reply #41 - 09/01/16 at 20:14:10
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I'd like to express (and just in words) strong agreement with kylemeister here.
  
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kylemeister wrote on 09/01/16 at 19:11:21:
I'm the other way -- I'm rather glad to have at least one forum to go to which doesn't use "likes."


Thats exactly the sort of post i would use the like button for  Grin
  

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I'm the other way -- I'm rather glad to have at least one forum to go to which doesn't use "likes."
  
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Reply #38 - 09/01/16 at 18:58:16
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Tony,

Any chance of having a like button added? I'm so used to using them on other forums, i sort of miss it, when i'm on a forum witho ut it now.
  

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Reply #37 - 09/01/16 at 09:35:49
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Jesse Gersenson wrote on 08/25/16 at 20:34:46:
here's a screenshot.


I don't know what others think, but I've never liked all those square brackets around the annotations in pgn4web, but maybe it's possible to remove them?
  
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here's a screenshot. Taping on the right side (e-g) of the board moves forward. Taping the left side (a-d) moves backward.

  
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 08/25/16 at 00:10:04:
Jesse,

Good point regarding lines of analysis. I can't think of a site that works well on my iPhone in that regard. Chess base's web site is terrible for that. The screen keeps jumping up and down as I try to scroll through games on my iPhone.

I'd like your feedback on this page:
http://www.jesseo.com/chess/pgn4web/t2.htm?a1
  
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Jesse,

Good point regarding lines of analysis. I can't think of a site that works well on my iPhone in that regard. Chess base's web site is terrible for that. The screen keeps jumping up and down as I try to scroll through games on my iPhone.
  
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 08/23/16 at 20:50:19:
Personally, I like the Shredder app for the iPhone. There are problems with the app, but I like the look of it. Here's a link:


https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/shredder-chess/id308032437?mt=8

The forward and back buttons are easy to hit.

That interface is designed to PLAY chess, as opposed to read analysis and follow along on a board. I don't see where 6 lines of text and variations would go.

I sketched out a few ideas, here's one:
http://www.jesseo.com/chess/pgn4web/test1.htm

Only works on mobile devices (or in firefox/chrome you can click F12 for developer mode and then find the icon for 'responsive design mode').

You can move forward or backwards, one ply at a time, and can click on moves when they appear in text.

Things I plan to change:
1. The variations doesn't appear on their own lines, and aren't indented, as is done in most chess GUI's.
2. game text & analysis could be in a box which the user can scroll through,and which autoscrolls as the moves are played.

3. (optional) To get more space, I considered using the RIGHT side of the chessboard as the 'move forward' button and the LEFT side would be the 'move backwards' button.

Off to the store to get an old used android phone -- to replace yesterday's old used android phone which isn't starting today!?
  
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Personally, I like the Shredder app for the iPhone. There are problems with the app, but I like the look of it. Here's a link:


https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/shredder-chess/id308032437?mt=8
  
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Reply #31 - 08/22/16 at 13:18:38
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kevinludwig wrote on 07/17/16 at 04:33:13:
2. Bigger forward/back buttons for mobile game playback. It's almost impossible to navigate on a phone.


Can mobile phone users please suggest any online chess board(s) they find pleasant for replaying games. They should include a short description of what they like about it and an example url.
Many thanks! Smiley
  
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Didn't read others but I would like to have a bigger board. It is super small now. I would also like to leave comments on the game directly.
  
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Well...this thread has been around for a while, and, unclear if anything was ever done, but here's a few ideas:

1. Opening explorer similar to chess.com or chessgames.com. So that its easy to find all updates related to a specific position or opening variation. Generally this would be a huge upgrade for both desktop and mobile usage. I feel like there's been almost no attempt to satisfy the use case of a new user that hasn't been on the site following the updates for the last 10 years. It's really built around "I want to see the updates for this month (or last month)" vs. what I feel like is a way more common use case of "what are all the updates for this specific variation that I happen to be interested in right now."

2. Bigger forward/back buttons for mobile game playback. It's almost impossible to navigate on a phone.

3. Related to #1 (and not really needed if #1 is done) but the site search is almost worthless. It's pretty clear that it's just indexing the text of the update pages, which doesn't really surface anything interesting.

4. The PDF e-books should direct link to the games they reference. Otherwise I really have no idea how to find the game in the archives, especially since the site search doesn't really work.
  
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Michael wrote on 12/29/13 at 02:19:44:
Not sure my 5 cents will be of help but personally I am happy with the site as it is although not against a redesign. 


Thanks, everyone's opinion is helpful - they are all noted and we will try to implement most of them soon.

Michael wrote on 12/29/13 at 02:19:44:
Thanks for a great site, best wishes for 2014!


Thanks! We wish all members a successful 2014! Smiley
  
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Not sure my 5 cents will be of help but personally I am happy with the site as it is although not against a redesign.  As a relatively new subscriber my main purpose is to download the new games in pgn format so that I can then play through them on my very old MacBook using HCE (Hiarcs Chess Explorer)

I have just tried the site on my tablet (iPad) which was actually quite a good experience,  I found the web-page text to be a little too small but if I resized it then I had a problem viewing the replay board at the same time as the game text.  Also, it would be better if the replay board floated to the top of the page rather than the bottom, I tried to use landscape mode but then the board floated off-screen so that was a problem for me. 

In summary, the current site worked well on the iPad and the laptop whilst the game replay was also quite good if a little awkward.  Hopefully whatever you decide will still work on non-Windows devices once implemented.

Thanks for a great site, best wishes for 2014!
  
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The arrows are much better, thanks.   Smiley.

I agree w Goran about the board and text being synchronized.  It would be better if the board could be fixed and the text would simply scroll next to it.  Some of the e-readers work that way.

  
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Göran wrote on 12/15/13 at 16:20:58:
I think it is working quite good on my iphone when the image is in landscape. Can play through the game and actually reading the text as well.


Good, thanks! Wink

Göran wrote on 12/15/13 at 16:57:48:
The problem with playing through the game is now that the board and the text is not syncronised so you have to scroll up and down a lot when playing through the game and reading the tsxt and variations.


I thought this only worked on MSIE anyway?

Göran wrote on 12/15/13 at 16:57:48:
The other problem with the iphone is the first text page of the update. The text has very little place and when expanding some of the text is hidden behind the left column.


Yes, I think this is really a big problem, and is the main reason I'm getting someone to redesign the site. Smiley
  
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The problem with playing through the game is now that the board and the text is not syncronised so you have to scroll up and down a lot when playing through the game and reading the tsxt and variations.

The other problem with the iphone is the first text page of the update. The text has very little place and when expanding some of the text is hidden behind the left column.
  

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It is very good on the ipad.
Would it be possible to move the board a little bit to the left I think there would be a liitke bit broader place for the text as well. However I think it is working fine playing through the game.
  

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When I have my reading glasses I think it is working quite good on my iphone when the image is in landscape. Can play through the game and actually reading the text as well.

Like it a lot an wonder if it really could be better on this small format.

  

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GMTonyKosten wrote on 12/14/13 at 20:56:59:
I will try changing this myself tomorrow ... it shouldn't be beyond my basic computer skills! Maybe I could remove the 'go back/forward 5 moves' buttons as well


I'm just experimenting at the moment, but you can check out the Istratescu-Greenfeld game from this month's Antis update and tell me if you think this is an improvement, size-wise.
  
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 12/14/13 at 20:56:59:
I could remove the 'go back/forward 5 moves' buttons as well - surely no-one ever uses these? Undecided


I certainly don't.  Wink
  
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LeeRoth wrote on 12/14/13 at 03:48:51:
1.  The navigation arrows under the board definitely need to be larger.


Actually they even look pretty small on my desktop! I'd never noticed before as I don't use them, and I suppose no-one else does on ordinary computers otherwise someone would have mentioned it before!
I will try changing this myself tomorrow ... it shouldn't be beyond my basic computer skills! Maybe I could remove the 'go back/forward 5 moves' buttons as well - surely no-one ever uses these? Undecided
  
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 12/14/13 at 11:13:25:
LeeRoth wrote on 12/14/13 at 03:48:51:
1.  The navigation arrows under the board definitely need to be larger.


Do the forward and back arrows on the keyboard work on mobile devices (for playing through the moves on the JS popup games)?


There is no keyboard, at least not on my ipad or iphone. 

You get an "on screen" keyboard only when there's a field or box that requires you to input some text.  It could just be me, but I don't see a way to otherwise call up the keyboard.
  
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LeeRoth wrote on 12/14/13 at 03:48:51:
I usually download the monthly games and play them over in ChessBase. 


Me too. I have all the annotated games in one database, and when I look through the latest games I use ChessBase. That way I can consult the Chesspub Guides to see what it says about any line that interests me, then do a position search in the games database to see the previous annotations.
If I want to go further I can use the ChessBase reference function (I use MegaBase as the Reference database) and Houdini or Komodo to analyse - all very quick and powerful. No App can ever hope to match the functions of the top Chess Database programs.
  
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 12/14/13 at 11:13:25:
LeeRoth wrote on 12/14/13 at 03:48:51:
1.  The navigation arrows under the board definitely need to be larger.


Do the forward and back arrows on the keyboard work on mobile devices (for playing through the moves on the JS popup games)?


Yes, they work on my Samsung S4. But it is, as said before, very hard to navigate on a mobile device.
  
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LeeRoth wrote on 12/14/13 at 03:48:51:
1.  The navigation arrows under the board definitely need to be larger.


Do the forward and back arrows on the keyboard work on mobile devices (for playing through the moves on the JS popup games)?
  
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I usually download the monthly games and play them over in ChessBase.  I can't imagine doing serious analysis on my iPad.  I generally use it to take a quick look at a new update.  I'm on the road.  I see the new Daring Defense update is out with a Benko game annotated by Bogdan Lalic.  So I'll take a quick look at the game on the iPad, but wait until later to really go through it.  That said, two things would make the iPad experience better:

1.  The navigation arrows under the board definitely need to be larger.

2.  I'd like to be able to move the pieces on the board.

I suppose a new layout, larger fonts, a cleaner look, etc might be nice, but for me it's really the chess content that matters.

  
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Thanks for all the feedback, I don't use internet on my phone so I really need your views - keep them coming!

TonyRo wrote on 12/12/13 at 04:10:53:
Another obvious thing would be an app (Android too please!) for playing over the updates.


This made me think that there was a ChessPub.exe app many years ago (from 1999 onwards) where you could search for games and play through them. I might be wrong but I think we had to scrap this as it only worked on Windows.
  
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On my wish list for my iphone would be:

1 Search by position and then browse the game(s) and text
2 Walk through the games (and text) of a new update

I have no clue though if it would be technical feasible.

Actually I would be extremely glad if only no 2 was available on the iphone. It is working now but the layout should be adopted to the small screen and my fat fingers.
  

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I agree that the site needs to be redesigned for touchscreens - and not just because of phones and tablets.

I am using the latest Windows 8.1 on a new touchscreen laptop and the arrows on the javascript pop-ups are not big enough for my fingers! These days people hardly use the mouse with Windows 8.1 PCs as the Metro interface is designed for touchscreens.
  
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I am starting to realize that perhaps I use the subscription end of ChessPub differently than a lot of other users, though perhaps you've got some data to shed some light on this. I almost exclusively use the web-viewer for the content. When I'm searching the forums and notice that there's new content, I head over to that section and study the newest games using the web-viewer, then go about my business. I rarely use the PGN Archives at all (though perhaps I will use it more in the future).

So for me it's most important to be able to easily view that content no matter where I am, and also to find old content most efficiently. If I'm at home and I have Chessbase, a small amount of work will get me to where I want. If I'm not at home, and don't have Chessbase, there's currently not a great way to simply find all the web content that covers a specific line. You can do a generic text search on ECO code, but it doesn't work that well and doesn't organize the found content in any way. As an example, if I want to learn more about 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 e5 5.Nb5 d6 6.N1c3 a6 7.Na3 Be7, a popular line these days, I can search for ECO code B32, but this covers everything after 4...e5, and the text search will sort these in order of relevance and provide little in the way of a preview until I click and go to that month's games.

My posts were mostly meant to suggest that perhaps an upgrade to the way content is stored and is searchable is in order. The most user-friendly and powerful way (in the time I've spent thinking about it) is to allow users to search based on position, but I realize that might not be technically feasible. Ideally a user would be able to peruse all of the content via some explorer, and download a PGN containing all of the games from any position they choose. An easily sortable list of weblinks to those same games would also be highly desirable. With that said, it seems tough to manage people that don't have subscriptions to all of the sections with this method!

Adding extra search options may do it if you can find some way to actively search through PGNs with a string of containing a variation. This would be fine too, but less user-friendly.

One other thing I'd suggest is to perhaps combine the "Search" function that's at the top of the site with the PGN Archives on the right into one "Find Content" link or something. I'd prefer one-stop shopping when I'm trying to find stuff. Of course, these are just my views. The website as is is pretty wonderful!

As far as the mobile game viewing goes, don't most websites with mobile versions use some PHP script on the back-end to determine which version of their website gets served to the end user? It definitely seems possible to make a simplified, second version of the web-viewer, perhaps with larger buttons and an easier way to view the text and position at the same time.

  
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TonyRo wrote on 12/12/13 at 17:41:59:
I'd like the option to do this completely from the web instead of needing Chessbase - this functionality would be really powerful and helpful if you ask me. The advantages of having this are much more apparent on a mobile phone though, where Chessbase isn't available. 


Do you think that adding some search capabilities to the PGN Archive would be enough? If so which additional searches would be most useful?

TonyRo wrote on 12/12/13 at 17:41:59:

An app isn't necessary if the mobile version of the site embraces some of the difficulties in using your phone instead of a browser and a mouse.


Yes, I agree, this really needs sorting out. I suppose that redesigning the site to look good on a phone should be simple enough, but I'm not sure what it would take to make the popup games mobile friendly.
  
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I was referring to both mobile and normal computers with my first comment. It's not that much effort to download "all.pgn" (having to redownload this a bunch of times is very slightly irksome) and filter the games by position in Chessbase (so if nothing changes regarding this I won't be heartbroken), but it would be cool (in my opinion, others can way in) to not need Chessbase and to be able to do this quickly from a browser. I'd like the option to do this completely from the web instead of needing Chessbase - this functionality would be really powerful and helpful if you ask me. The advantages of having this are much more apparent on a mobile phone though, where Chessbase isn't available.

An app isn't necessary if the mobile version of the site embraces some of the difficulties in using your phone instead of a browser and a mouse. I'm not sure what the general plan would be here. My only point was that it's not super easy to navigate the user controls on the pop up screen while still reading all of the text. I have a Samsung Galaxy Note II, one of the biggest phones out there today, and clicking the forward arrow is still sort of cumbersome. Even if I succeed, I have to zoom and refocus on the text, when I can't fully see the board.
  
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TonyRo wrote on 12/12/13 at 04:10:53:
One thing that I struggle with is that I'd really like to be able to find all the material and games that have been analyzed in specific variations.


I suppose we are talking about mobile devices here, otherwise you would just download the games and search on your database program?!

TonyRo wrote on 12/12/13 at 04:10:53:
Another obvious thing would be an app (Android too please!) for playing over the updates.


Does that mean the JS popup games don't work on Android phones?
  
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One thing that I struggle with is that I'd really like to be able to find all the material and games that have been analyzed in specific variations. A generic text search almost always fails (and is methodologically the wrong way to approach finding chess positions in general), and the eBooks are less convenient than I'd like for this task.

I'd kill for something like the Opening Explorer that Chessgames.com has, but with the ChessPub version directing you to the annotated games that have appeared in the updates. That way, if hypothetically, I wanted to find all of Richard's wonderful annotations in the Kalashnikov Main Line 7...Be7!? variation, it would be very easy to do so. That would be unbelievably powerful. The number of annotated games on this site is pretty staggering, so the required manpower seems high, but that would be out of sight.

Another obvious thing would be an app (Android too please!) for playing over the updates.

  
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I agree. It would really be nice with an app to be able to browse the games of the updates in the chesspub.com on my iphone especially (it is always available) but also on my ipad.
  

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TonyRo wrote on 12/11/13 at 15:37:07:
Is this in regards to the forum, or the actual Chess Publishing site?


ChessPublishing.com - the Forum will also get a makeover in the future, but that depends on when they produce the next version of the YaBB software!

GabrielGale wrote on 12/11/13 at 21:32:44:
Seriously, Tony, if you wish to attract more subscribers (and I assume this as a basis for this post), I think you need to make it more user friendly.


This is not really the reason for this post, (although I'm obviously happy to get more subscribers!) No, I'm talking about a cosmetic site redesign, nothing to do with the content. I'm really interested in making the site easier to use (especially for mobile devices, tablets, etc.), and if anyone has any good ideas I will ask the specialists to include them if at all possible.

Nevertheless your post is very interesting, but maybe I should splice it over to the PGN eBook thread?
  
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In light of TonyRo's question, I will assume this is a re-design of subscription part of ChessPub.
I will out myself as a lapsed subscriber who is only a novice sub-2000 rated player with an inordinate unhealthy fascination with opening theory blessed unfortunately with a very leaky memory.

Seriously, Tony, if you wish to attract more subscribers (and I assume this as a basis for this post), I think you need to make it more user friendly. The majority of chess players in the world are club-level sub-2200 rated players. I think (and here I might be overgeneralising) they may be interested in compact succinct easy-to-learn opening repertoires. At present, I think the existing e-books and pdf-books, whilst excellent, are a bit unwieldy. They are designed like a reference tome. Need to make them more user friendly. Distilling from my years of lurking on the Pub, reading tons f chess book and my educational background, my humble suggestions:

In line with another thread (http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1382573395)and a suggestion by Matemax on the usefulness of material/resources on/behind an opening, how about combining that with what Chess Stars are doing (there is no copyright in ideas), i.e. their quick repertoire. Also, how about adding to the mix, ideas from books like Sicilian Attacks, where the standard tactical themes et al, positional considerations are considered. But make them opening specific.

So, perhaps something like this:
1) Sicilian GP (just as a totally random example) Introd/historical - 2 f4 vs 2 Nc3 3 f4
2) Strategic aims - exchanging light-sq bishop on c6 for a doubled-up pawns? (sorry I did say I am only a novice and making this up based on what I see my friend plays in a GPA)
attack K-side? pawn storm hacking style? Q-side?
Knight manoeuvres?
3) Tactical themes/ideas
4) Endgames - any typical endgames
5) Opening theory
6) Complete games annotated

This is like a template but does not mean each field has to be filled with stuff. depends on the opening/var.
Important this is simple, succinct, short. A subscriber can learn this in 1-2 hours, go an delay a few games OTB, online etc and come back to check ideas, theory.

Also make these modular (which means you can actually drill down to Variations level as well) so that subscribers can chop and change their openings in their repertoire. Perhaps have a few suggested repertoires with different themes (the ones on ChessPub is really old and not that interesting). One that I found interesting reading here on the Pub as well as from Lars Bo Hansen's book is based on strategic ideas, i.e. his mixing of French Winawer with Ragozin 'cos of Bb4 move.
There is also the Qa5 Scandi with the Triangle based on the c6 and e6 pawns clamp.

If you like, you can make these as part of special member package for an additional one-off payment. Since they are modular, you can charge them using iTunes method, i.e., 1.99 or 2.99 per module.

I would suggest continue to maintain the existing pdf/e-book reference on theory as additional for a subscriber who has gone past the initial stage of learning the opening.

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GMTonyKosten wrote on 12/11/13 at 00:22:09:
I was thinking that it might be time to get the site redesigned, in particular with regard to mobile devices, but I guess technology has also progressed since the last time I had this done.
I asked one company who suggested 'a more modern look and feel with a Membership section' which surprised me as I hadn't considered changing the subscription options.
The problem is that I have my own view of the site, the pluses and minuses, but everyone else must see it differently. So, I was wondering what subscribers would like to see changed/improved/added to the site? Undecided


Is this in regards to the forum, or the actual Chess Publishing site? 100% chance I suggest things for the wrong site otherwise!
  
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As a subscriber I am mostly interested in the chess content of the site. I don't care too much about a member section and so on... I will NOT use it - I just want to download the monthly games and have my fun replaying them.

Getting new subscibers? Well - you will need some refreshment and a more clearcut message. Perhaps some free stuff to bring back people to the site more than once - they may become subsribers in the long run. Moreover I think there are a lot of old contents that should be deleted. But that's a decision the owner has to make and I am (luckily!) only a customer.
  
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I was thinking that it might be time to get the site redesigned, in particular with regard to mobile devices, but I guess technology has also progressed since the last time I had this done.
I asked one company who suggested 'a more modern look and feel with a Membership section' which surprised me as I hadn't considered changing the subscription options.
The problem is that I have my own view of the site, the pluses and minuses, but everyone else must see it differently. So, I was wondering what subscribers would like to see changed/improved/added to the site? Undecided
  
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