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Classical Slav with 4... dxc4    
  37 (49.3%)
a6 Slav or Chebanenko    
  18 (24.0%)
Semi-Slav    
  20 (26.7%)




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Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) Grandmaster Repertoire 17 – The Classical Slav (Read 37018 times)
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 17 – The Classical Slav
Reply #32 - 09/26/15 at 03:32:50
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Tony,
How is the coverage of D12  (4 e3, Bf5)?
Or do you have a link for the Table of Contents?
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 17 – The Classical Slav
Reply #31 - 04/30/14 at 15:16:33
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I have the book since a few weeks, and my first impression is that it is a very nice Slav repertoire book, with excellent analysis and a lot of original analysis. In my opinion, anybody playing the Slav will incorporate at least some of Avrukh's suggestion in his/her repertoire. It's for sure the best black repertoire on this opening since Play the Slav from Vigus.

Of course, I have some concerns about a few points, but it's mainly personnal issues which are normal with any repertoire book.

1) The missing line in the Slav exchange has already been discussed previously, but the gap has been filled on QC website. Whether I like Avrukh's recommendations more than the ones from Vigus is another issue.

2) The Glasgow Kiss variation (1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e3 Bf5!? 5.cxd5 cxd5 6.Qb3 Nc6!) is deeply investigated as a second option against 3.Nc3 / 4.e3. I was initially very enthusiastic about it, the quality of the analysis is great, this variation has a lot of surprise value, and so on. But I’m still wondering if I should incorporate it in my repertoire. Its major drawback regarding this repertoire book is that after 5.Nf3 (instead of 5.cxd5), the suggestion is to play 5… a6, transposing to 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e3 Bf5 5.Nc3 a6. In my opinion, anybody playing the latter line against 3.Nf3 / 4.e3 should play Avrukh’s first recommendation against 3.Nc3 / 4.e3, that is 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e3 a6 (instead of Bf5), as only the 5.Qc2 alternative to 5.Nf3 Bf5 needs additional study, and 5.Qc2 is less challenging than the Glasgow Kiss variation. So, either I play the a6 stuff, or I play the Glasgow Kiss variation and I’d go for 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3/Nc3 Nf6 4.e3 Bf5 5.Nc3/Nf3 e6 (what else?) instead of 5…a6, with some challenging theory especially after 6.Nh4, but it’s not covered by Avrukh. To sum up, I’m happy Avrukh suggested the Glasgow Kiss variation as a second variation, but for a repertoire consistency, it seems logical to suggest also a second variation after the position resulting from 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3/Nc3 Nf6 4.e3 Bf5 5.Nc3/Nf3. But maybe I’m missing something. I have the feeling that Amenitos probably contributed to this part of the repertoire, so his opinion would be welcome.

3) Both repertoire suggestions against 6.Ne5 are not to my taste. It starts 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 dxc4 5.a4 Bf5 6.Ne5 Nbd7 7.Nxc4 Qc7 8.g3 e5 9.dxe5 Nxe5 10.Bf4 Nfd7 11.Bg2 and then either 11...g5 or 11...f6 12.0-0 g5. I never studied these lines before reading this book, preferring 6…e6 or 7…Nb6. I’m happy I got a look at Avrukh’s lines, but I have the feeling it has the same drawback as some Semi-Slav Botvinnik lines, which is a lot of crazy moves to memorize. Then, if White knows his stuff and you remember the moves recommended by Avrukh (and you should, because the alternatives are often very poor), you can end up in a rather dry position with few pieces left on the board (that’s kind of fine), with some lines ending in perpetual at around move order 20 (a little bit less welcome), or you face a hot novelty played at high level or found out by a computer and you end up in a very poor position (no comment…). Some people like this kind of theory, but I suspect that most Slav players may be reluctant to learn these lines to play them OTB. I guess that for GM, this issue is probably irrelevant, so Avrukh’s choice is in accordance with the title series.

All in all, this book is of high quality, as any GM repertoire book I bought up to now. Whether it’s the best, I don’t know. But despite my above criticisms, it’s probably the one which is most useful for my personal repertoire up to now.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 17 – The Classical Slav
Reply #30 - 04/22/14 at 15:27:17
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Okay, I see. Guess we'll have to wait for a "proper" review. I just got the book anyway, but haven't had time to look at it.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 17 – The Classical Slav
Reply #29 - 04/22/14 at 08:44:56
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tp2205 wrote on 04/22/14 at 00:31:37:
huibui wrote on 04/21/14 at 23:26:05:


Seems to be totally devoid of content. I doubt that the guy read the book. The conclusion seems to be 'lots of great analysis' and a cheap shot at QC for improving Black's chances against the lines suggested in GM Repertoire 1.


I have to agree. Read some of his other reviews. They could be written after looking into book for 10 minutes.  Sad
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 17 – The Classical Slav
Reply #28 - 04/22/14 at 00:31:37
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huibui wrote on 04/21/14 at 23:26:05:


Seems to be totally devoid of content. I doubt that the guy read the book. The conclusion seems to be 'lots of great analysis' and a cheap shot at QC for improving Black's chances against the lines suggested in GM Repertoire 1.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 17 – The Classical Slav
Reply #27 - 04/21/14 at 23:26:05
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 17 – The Classical Slav
Reply #26 - 04/21/14 at 20:52:53
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ErictheRed wrote on 03/17/14 at 02:29:15:
Anyone have the book, reviews, opinions, etc?


Has anyone seen the review Jacob Aagaard is talking about at the QC Blog?
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/blog/?p=2718#comments
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 17 – The Classical Slav
Reply #25 - 03/24/14 at 17:03:32
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The update is available in .pdf-format.

http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/blog/?p=2682
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 17 – The Classical Slav
Reply #24 - 03/20/14 at 18:14:23
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ErictheRed wrote on 03/19/14 at 12:51:32:
I just think the PR wing of that company is terrible.


Maybe there isn't any? (OT, I know).
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 17 – The Classical Slav
Reply #23 - 03/19/14 at 12:51:32
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Oh clearly these things do happen, but the reason given is silly--we didn't check this one Black repertoire book (as though it's the only source that would cover this).  There should have been tons of other things to check, any older book (not just a recent repertoire book), any decent database (9.Qa4 is the most popular option in mine, by an admittedly very small margin over 9.0-0), etc. 

Clearly Shaw tried to strike a somewhat humorous tone, but I think it would have been better to just say "we're very sorry for this omission and are working to update the book as quickly as possible," without a silly excuse.  Maybe I'm completely wrong, but to me Quality Chess has terrible PR.

Anyway I'm sure the rest of the book is high quality and up to QC and Avrukh's standards.  There will always be mistakes and oversights, but this one is especially surprising to me because I considered it the main line of the whole Exchange Variation with 6...Bf5, at least when White tries for an advantage.  I'm sure they'll work to get the oversight corrected as quickly and accurately as possible--I just think the PR wing of that company is terrible.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 17 – The Classical Slav
Reply #22 - 03/19/14 at 09:36:31
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Like Shaw admits in that blog post, even the same editor Smiley These things do happen.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 17 – The Classical Slav
Reply #21 - 03/19/14 at 08:04:34
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fling wrote on 03/18/14 at 17:53:36:
But how can you possibly check all the sources in the Slav?  Wink



I think they need to check in-house sources first and foremost.
  

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Reply #20 - 03/18/14 at 17:53:36
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But how can you possibly check all the sources in the Slav?  Wink
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 17 – The Classical Slav
Reply #19 - 03/17/14 at 21:44:16
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Not covering 9.Qa4 is an enormous oversight, as barring the extremely unambitious 8.Bd3, I thought that was just the main line of the Exchange Slav with 6...Bf5.  Maybe in recent years 8.Qb3 has been more popular, but...wow.

And "we didn't read Playing the Semi-Slav" seems a pretty poor excuse, though I'm sure that they'll get an update out and mistakes do happen, of course.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 17 – The Classical Slav
Reply #18 - 03/17/14 at 20:49:03
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Based on http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/blog/?p=2616 I'd expect an update about this variation, since the exchange is the main overlap with Vigorito's book.

I'm curious about the book but have got slightly fed up with these super detailed modern books so I'm waiting until I can browse a copy to decide about buying.
  
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