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Re: New Open Games Book
Reply #17 - 09/25/14 at 04:52:57
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What does he recommend against the Evans?
  

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Reply #16 - 09/20/14 at 12:29:16
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Arrived and quite impressed, lots of variety but could have been slightly more detailed study in some lines.
  
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Re: New Open Games Book
Reply #15 - 09/16/14 at 19:36:10
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My copy should arrive tomorrow!!
  
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Re: New Open Games Book
Reply #14 - 08/21/14 at 20:10:53
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Indeed, I think Black has theoretical equality after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.c3 d5 5.exd5 Qxd5 6.cxd4 Bg4 7.Nc3 Bb4 8.Be2 Nf6-0 9.0-0 Qa5 10.Be3 and now either 10...0-0 or 10...0-0-0.  Incidentally White could side-step Capablanca's line anyway with 8.Be3, which often leads to the same position, although Black has the tricky earlier deviation 7...Bxf3.  The main snag is that White's IQP position is the easier to play- in the Chesslive.de database White is typically scoring around 60%.  The approaches with ...0-0-0 were mainly what I was thinking of when mentioning Black's aggressive ideas, but White's half-open c-file is a problem (I remember coming unstuck as Black in these lines a couple of time via transposition from the 3...d5 Ponziani).
  
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Re: New Open Games Book
Reply #13 - 08/20/14 at 18:17:57
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SWJediknight wrote on 08/20/14 at 15:28:33:
it's worth noting that Black does have some quite aggressive approaches after 4...d5- perhaps he might discuss some of those rather than just focusing on Capablanca's line ending in ...Qc4.


Borrowing some ideas from the Chigorin might have its points.
The position after 1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6 3. Nf3 Bg4 4. e3 e5 5. cxd5 Qxd5 6. Nc3 Bb4 7. Be2 exd4 8. exd4 is identical, but a Chigorin player unaware of the transposition would likely continue with 8. .. Nf6 ,8. .. 0-0-0 or even 8. .. Nge7.
  
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Re: New Open Games Book
Reply #12 - 08/20/14 at 16:18:49
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But Bologan does have 4...Nf6 in the Göring. via the Ponziani.
  
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Reply #11 - 08/20/14 at 15:28:33
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Looking over the chapters I am impressed with most of the lines- for instance both 3...g5 and the Modern Defence vs. the King's Gambit (though I am left wondering by the lack of a chapter on the Quaade, 3...g5 4.Nc3), both 4...Nf6 and 4...Bc5 vs. the Scotch and both 3...Nf6 and 3...Bc5 vs. the Italian).  I think the more aggressively-inclined players would want an alternative to Capablanca's defence to the Göring Gambit (Emms gave three defences to the Göring, 4...d5, 4...dxc3 and 4...Nf6 5.e5 Nd5) although it's worth noting that Black does have some quite aggressive approaches after 4...d5- perhaps he might discuss some of those rather than just focusing on Capablanca's line ending in ...Qc4.

Jan Pinski was probably the last to write a comprehensive overview of the Italian Game, Evans Gambit and Two Knights Defence (spanned over two books) but he was overly dismissive of various lines from White's perspective (most notably the gambits 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.d4, 4.0-0 Nf6 5.d4, and 4.c3 Nf6 5.d4 exd4 6.0-0).

  
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Re: New Open Games Book
Reply #10 - 08/20/14 at 13:16:15
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The book does look very interesting (the excerpt is here if you had as much trouble finding it as I did), and I like that Bologan and the editors decided to be creative with the format. Chess books could use a little experimentation.
  
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Reply #9 - 08/20/14 at 11:30:40
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There is an excerpt now out on New in Chess website.

Looks amazing!
Covers both 4...Nf6 & 4...Bc5 against the Scotch
Covers both Giuoco Piano & Two Knights
Plus two nice option against the King's Gambit
  
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Re: New Open Games Book
Reply #8 - 08/13/14 at 14:55:54
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I, for one, wonder if one of these publishers could take a break from repertoire books and publish a large, high quality general coverage book on the Italian game (Evans' Gambit, Giuoco Piano/Pianissimo, and Two Knights Defense) comparable to Dembo/Palliser's effort on the Scotch. Do we need another book telling us to decline the Danish by heading for the Capablanca ending etc.? Some of this stuff gets quite redundant and a big, comprehensive overview of the Italian would be really cool. Of course, such a book is probably both much more work to write and less likely to sell many copies. A shame really.
  

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Reply #7 - 08/03/14 at 15:04:13
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In that last line I think White is doing well in the version of the Max Lange with 6.e5 d5 7.exf6 dxc4 8.fxg7 Rg8 9.Re1+ Be6 10.Bg5.  Even if Black has a way to equalise, the resulting positions are easier for White to play because Black has trouble finding a safe home for the king.  Thus I would expect 5...Nxe4 to be the recommendation.  Black can certainly keep a fair amount of play in the position after 6.Re1 d5 7.Bxd5 Qxd5 8.Nc3 Qa5 and I think that it is also possible for Black to stay away from the various drawish lines that follow 8...Qh5 (e.g. Craig Evans's suggestion of 9.Nxe4 Be6 10.Bg5 Bd6 11.Nxd6+ cxd6 12.Bf4 Qd5 13.c3 Qf5 instead of Rc8, and now there is no en-masse trade on d4).

I would generally expect solid lines to be offered as most of the GMs are after low-maintenance replies to White's alternatives to the Lopez, but John Emms in Play the Open Games as Black gave readers a choice between an aggressive approach and a solid approach vs. most lines (and sometimes three or four choices) so you never know.
  
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Re: New Open Games Book
Reply #6 - 08/02/14 at 16:50:28
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Let's get a discussion going.

I know this won't influence the choices but it would be interesting to know what people would like to see in this upcoming book.

I'll start us off, I think that "Open Games for Black' by Chess Stars is really good, but I think the lines suggested in this book is quite a solid repertoire as it is played with the idea of partnering it will the Berlin Wall in the Ruy Lopez.

I would like to see a more aggressive repertoire one which would suite a Schliemann or Marshall Gambit player.

King's Gambit
I would quite like to see Main Line 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3
g5 or d6.

The Modern 2...d5 3.exd5 exf4 was seen in 'Open Games for Black' & 2...Bc5 was seen in 'A Vigorous Opening Repertoire for Black'. Falkbeer in 'Alterman's Black Gambits 2'.

Scotch Game
I would like to see 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5 rather than 4...Nf6 as 4...Nf6 was seen in 'Open Games for Black'. Would like to see what his 'ambitious' option is here?

Italian Game
Would like to see 3...Nf6 rather than 3...Bc5. Again this was suggested in Open Games for Black'.
If he does go 3...Nf6 will be keen to see what he recommends against 4.Ng5. I like the Traxler but it was seen in 'Alterman's Black Gambits 2'. I think he will go for 4...d5, but what next, Fritz, Main Line?

In the 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d4 exd4 5.0-0 line will he go Max Lange and 5...Bc5 or go a bit more solid with 5...Nxe4 (then will he play Qh5 or Qa5). I like the Qa5 lines.

These are by far the most common in my games the rest I won't lose sleep over.
  
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Re: New Open Games Book
Reply #5 - 07/28/14 at 14:41:39
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RdC wrote on 05/07/14 at 09:16:53:
najdorfslayer wrote on 05/05/14 at 07:29:07:
New book by Bologon by New in Chess!


Available 10th October 2014, so presumably he's still writing it.

It will be interesting to see what he recommends against slow Italian setups, such as 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d3 or 1.e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. d3. At least one approach is to transpose to a similar line in the Spanish. That has the advantage for defenders of main line Spanish positions of reaching familiar territory. With the popularity of h3 followed by d3 as an anti-Marshall, these slow positions are very much mainstream.

Traditional writing on theory does tend to ignore transpositions. For example in the sequence 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 exd4, it is usually assumed White's next is 6. cxd4. However in the sequence 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Bc4 Bc5 5. c3 Nf6, the replies 6 e5 and  6. O-O would be discussed.


Yeah would be once to have some sort of active repertoire in the Two Knights, recent stuff seems to be on the Giuoco Piano
  
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Re: New Open Games Book
Reply #4 - 05/07/14 at 09:16:53
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najdorfslayer wrote on 05/05/14 at 07:29:07:
New book by Bologon by New in Chess!


Available 10th October 2014, so presumably he's still writing it.

It will be interesting to see what he recommends against slow Italian setups, such as 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d3 or 1.e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. d3. At least one approach is to transpose to a similar line in the Spanish. That has the advantage for defenders of main line Spanish positions of reaching familiar territory. With the popularity of h3 followed by d3 as an anti-Marshall, these slow positions are very much mainstream.

Traditional writing on theory does tend to ignore transpositions. For example in the sequence 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 exd4, it is usually assumed White's next is 6. cxd4. However in the sequence 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Bc4 Bc5 5. c3 Nf6, the replies 6 e5 and  6. O-O would be discussed.
  
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Re: New Open Games Book
Reply #3 - 05/06/14 at 12:23:37
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If white deviates Smiley The Lopez hasn't quite been deprived of its main line status yet Wink
(Although the marshall has made a brave effort!)
  
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