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Re: New Open Games Book
Reply #32 - 10/09/14 at 07:09:57
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RdC wrote on 08/20/14 at 18:17:57:
Borrowing some ideas from the Chigorin might have its points.
The position after 1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6 3. Nf3 Bg4 4. e3 e5 5. cxd5 Qxd5 6. Nc3 Bb4 7. Be2 exd4 8. exd4 is identical, but a Chigorin player unaware of the transposition would likely continue with 8. .. Nf6 ,8. .. 0-0-0 or even 8. .. Nge7.


Actually, the Chigorin player is almost always aware of the transposition (and further to Capablanca's 9...Qc4); it's rather White who is surprised by it, very often knowing nothing about sharp 1 e4 e5 variations. I've won quite a few games as Black from that position. White swaps queens off thinking the doubled c-pawns are a weakness, throws in a2-a3 which just drives the bishop where it wants to go (b6), and generally plays like a drain.
  

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Re: New Open Games Book
Reply #31 - 10/08/14 at 09:58:05
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Ametanoitos wrote on 10/06/14 at 01:41:06:
...certainly never going to surpass Bologan (which is not far from the truth i'd say, and i mean it!) i can only provide as an evidence the following corr game...


Write whole book like he did, and perhaps you will notice 1000 Elo gap  Huh

For Houdini, Komodo, Stockfish & Co analysis I don't need a book.... just like you, I can also hit shift+f2  Cheesy
  
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Reply #30 - 10/06/14 at 09:27:36
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I agree with you, but it is another thing talking about humans playing over-the-board chess and another thing entirely to talk about an objective assesment of a theoretical position based on deep computer analysis.
  
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Reply #29 - 10/06/14 at 09:09:26
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Ametanoitos wrote on 10/06/14 at 06:45:35:
"Probably" a refutation  Smiley

Obviously i have analysed quite deeply the position and that's why my opinion is so strong on this. I may be mistaken of course, but I think that Black has quite some big problems here! The line played in the game is not Black's best, but still a high recommendation by the engines (who realise that Black is in trouble when it is already late!  Grin).

Maybe I am a bit biased at the moment because I recently read Aagaard's "Calculation" book (not the GM Prep, but the first one) and now I "feel" that long forcing lines are very rare. So starting with a move like 14.Bd3 there have to be many possibilities for both sides. Maybe you could argue that after 14.Bd3! the ball is in black's court. Aagaard made me aware (again!) that we often miss candidates right at the beginning of variations....
  
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Reply #28 - 10/06/14 at 06:45:35
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"Probably" a refutation  Smiley

Obviously i have analysed quite deeply the position and that's why my opinion is so strong on this. I may be mistaken of course, but I think that Black has quite some big problems here! The line played in the game is not Black's best, but still a high recommendation by the engines (who realise that Black is in trouble when it is already late!  Grin).
  
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Reply #27 - 10/06/14 at 05:45:47
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Ametanoitos wrote on 10/06/14 at 01:41:06:
but you won't find the very strong (probably a refutation of Black's play) 14.Bd3!

Play is not forced after this interesting move, Black has various alternative ways - I think it's harsh to call this the refutation of the line  Shocked
  
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Reply #26 - 10/06/14 at 01:41:06
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First of all i never attacked Bologan's book. On the contrary. I don't like the structure of the book, but i guess that this is not the fault of Bologan's.

As for your other comment about me certainly never going to surpass Bologan (which is not far from the truth i'd say, and i mean it!) i can only provide as an evidence the following corr game:

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nxc6 bxc6 6. e5 Qe7 7. Qe2 Nd5 8.c4 Nb6 9. Nc3 Bb7 10. Bd2 g6 11. Ne4 O-O-O 12. a4 Ba6 13. Qf3 Re8 14. Bd3 Bxc4
15. O-O Bxd3 16. Qxd3 Qxe5 17. Qa6+ Kb8 18. Bc3 Qxe4 19. Rfe1 Qxe1+ 20. Bxe1 Rg8 21. g3 Re6 22. Bc3 Bd6 23. a5 Nc8 24. Rd1 Ka8 25. Bd4 c5 26. Be3 Ne7 27.
Qc4 Nc6 28. a6 Ne5 29. Qc3 Rge8 30. Kg2 Nc6 31. Bxc5 Bxc5 32. Qxc5 Nb8 33. Ra1 Rc6 34. Qb5 Rb6 35. Qd5+ c6 36. Qxf7 Re2 37. b3 g5 38. Qh5 Rc2 39. Qxh7 Rc5 40.
Qg8 Rd5 41. h4 gxh4 42. g4 Rb4 43. Rf1 Ra5 44. f4 Ra3 45. Kh3 Rbxb3+ 46. Kxh4 Rh3+ 47. Kg5 Ra5+ 48. f5 Rb5 49. Kg6 Rg3 50. Rf4 Rd5 51. f6

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You'll going to find this line analysed in page 222 of Bologan's book (so, before page 250 that you studied), but you won't find the very strong (probably a refutation of Black's play) 14.Bd3! mentioned at all! Luckily i didn't need to wait for Houdini version 100 to find this move!  Tongue

Ofcourse Bologan gives another line as well for Black, so no really big deal. This book is full of interesting chess.

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Reply #25 - 10/03/14 at 21:42:42
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The new Bologan's book is outstanding! Period!

I can't understand people who are willingly attacking his book without studying it carefully!

I went trough first 250 pages and find the lines very interesting and thorough. He always gives 2 lines, and his assessments are sincere and accurate.

Nikos Ntrilis? Why aren't you working on Quality Chess book on 1.e4 e5 for Black? You gonna have rough time surpassing Bologan. That's for sure, even you shall use Houdini version 100 from year 2199  Cool
  
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Reply #24 - 10/02/14 at 19:26:45
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Fllg wrote on 10/02/14 at 18:12:13:
But the content still looks interesting...


No doubt about that!
  
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Reply #23 - 10/02/14 at 18:12:13
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You are not. At least it has a tree structure.  Wink

But the content still looks interesting...
  
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Reply #22 - 10/02/14 at 16:38:23
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Am i the only one that finds the whole presentation approach a bit.... let's say confusing?
  
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Reply #21 - 09/29/14 at 07:06:20
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Received my copy on Saturday.

I haven't checked many lines yet, but I like the approach of suggesting two complete alternative lines (sometimes even more, e.g. he has the 2-knights plus 2 alternative lines against the Giuoco Pianissimo).
In this way, he can attempt to refute lines like the piece-sac King's Gambits in the most direct way because he has his fall-back 2. ...d5 rep for those who don't like it.

Also plenty of Scotch and 4-Knights coverage. Who has ever covered the Mieses and ...Bc5 in one repertoire book?

  
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Re: New Open Games Book
Reply #20 - 09/27/14 at 10:08:56
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najdorfslayer wrote on 09/26/14 at 16:07:06:
ghenghisclown wrote on 09/25/14 at 04:52:57:
What does he recommend against the Evans?


1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3

now Bologon recommends both 5...Bc5 and 5...Ba5

But recommends some 'old and reliable ideas' in the 5...Ba5 lines




Interesting, I thought 5. ...Bc5 was inferior.
  

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Reply #19 - 09/26/14 at 16:07:06
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ghenghisclown wrote on 09/25/14 at 04:52:57:
What does he recommend against the Evans?


1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3

now Bologon recommends both 5...Bc5 and 5...Ba5

But recommends some 'old and reliable ideas' in the 5...Ba5 lines

  
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Reply #18 - 09/25/14 at 06:41:02
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The book analysis are simple but clear, diagrams are often graphically annotated. Both things are big plus for the book, just like there quality of analysis and ideas somewhere up to 2300-2400.

However some things I really don't like:

- some lines Smiley [fox example - I am not sure, that Polerio gambit against KG is the simplest way how to play, Rosentreter’s Gambit,  systems against Vienna with g3 ang Glek based on very quick Nc6-d4, only very short article with line against 8.Bd3 in 2knights defence based on Stellwagen-L'Ami etc.] - but this is only personal preference

- there are too much names of manoeuvres (if I remember correctly, i.e.Staunton queen - Qd8-h4 etc) - its good idea to have some names for it, but when he repeated it on every page than this looks little bit disturbing...

- very often is mentioned second edition of book - please imagine - you just bough new book, but second edition will examine other lines, just these which you want to see...... isn't it crazy to read it?

- there are lot of errors in notation. I got even feeling, that book wasn't typed in any chess programs, because errors are practically everywhere - time to time you need little bit think about right move... I have never ever seen anything like this in any chess book.
  
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