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Re: 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 e6 3.b3
Reply #7 - 05/30/14 at 22:14:28
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I'm considering this move order after seeing Ramirez Reti dvd.

I think the most challenging try by Black is d4 at some point, aiming to play a reversed Benoni structure (possible waste of time of that quick b3).

But some of the tricky options you give before are difficult to be seen in a serious game, I think. I doubt a lot I would face any of them in a non-blitz tournament game. But who knows...
  
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Re: 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 e6 3.b3
Reply #6 - 05/22/14 at 18:31:49
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It was a very interesting question. For what its worth I think 3.b3 is perfectly viable, if you like it play it.
  
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Re: 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 e6 3.b3
Reply #5 - 05/19/14 at 16:48:57
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Ok, yeah, I think I will stick with 3.g3! Thanks guys.

btw this is my first post on chesspub, sorry for asking something that could have been resolved so easily with a bit of research  Embarrassed
  

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Re: 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 e6 3.b3
Reply #4 - 05/19/14 at 04:27:38
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I think Davies in The Dynamic Reti specifically advises White against 3.b3 because by saving a tempo on ...Nf6, Black can get in ...e5 more easily. He even suggests that Black further exploit this move order by playing ...f6 and ...Nh6-f7.
Other weird possibilities after 3.b3 include 3...Nf6 4.Bb2 a5!? (once recommended by Palliser) and 3...dxc4 4.bxc4 e5!? (ambitious, but not totally crazy: the immediate point is 5.Nxe5?? Qd4).
  
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Re: 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 e6 3.b3
Reply #3 - 05/19/14 at 03:55:38
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I think Black has some very reasonable independent possibilities compared to the usual line with a later ...d4 that you mentioned, e.g. an immediate ...c5, with ...Nc6 and ...e5 to follow. In the main line, White gets e3, exd4, and Re1 in first, so Black doesn't achieve ...e5 easily.

The second line looks weird to me too, but now that I look it up, some very good GMs have tried it - Topalov, Polgar, Yusupov, Blatny, Timofeev, Portisch...
  
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Re: 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 e6 3.b3
Reply #2 - 05/19/14 at 03:17:57
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A) I presumed that 3...d4 isn't dissimilar to the line 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 e6 3.g3 Nf6 4.Bg2 Be7 5.0-0 0-0 6.b3 d4 Would it not transpose?
B) ...Be7-f6 looks interesting, but it seems kinda artificial after I meet ...Bf6 with d2-d4...idk though

Thanks for the input btw Smiley
  

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Re: 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 e6 3.b3
Reply #1 - 05/19/14 at 02:54:29
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No cost is almost never true in these openings with tons of transpositional possibilities. At the very least, I can think of two off the top of my head:

3...d4, when the insertion of b3 might be a wasted move, and a later b4 will waste a tempo.

3...Be7!?, planning 4...Bf6 and exploiting the fact that ...Nf6 hasn't been played yet.
  
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1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 e6 3.b3
05/19/14 at 02:25:39
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I recently started playing Reti systems with White, with the majority of my repertoire eibng based off Delchev's recommendations in "The Modern Reti". He recommends there 3.g3 against the QGD setup (as, I believe, Davies does as well). My question is: what is the problem with aiming for the same double fianchetto set-up by starting with 3.b3? Can someone enlighten me as to what it is I'm overlooking, because it seems to me that 3.b3 just cuts out the ...dc Open Catalan style approach at no cost...
  

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